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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16701 Posts
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AlexZhang1012
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Harris1st
Germany6928 Posts
On November 08 2019 07:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I'm more looking forward to whatever comes out of Pardo's new company than anything from Blizzard. I just checked their homepage but saw nothing regarding current projects. Do you know more? As to the RTS is dead. I have somewhat big hopes for "A year of rain" and "Iron Harvest" to put some live into the genre. But you are probably right. Kids born after 2000 seem to be lacking the endurance to grind out 100s of games to finally git gud and prefer mindless games like idle games and mobil games with flashy colors and an achievement every 2 minutes. Sorry for the generalisation. Don't really know how to epxress this better | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6928 Posts
On November 08 2019 12:32 AlexZhang1012 wrote: You know what would be fun? All the faction features in pvp: Empire, Umojan, UED; Aiur, Shakuras, Purifier; Char, Overmind, Zerus... And with features you mean skins? Or actual gameplay differences? Because the latter would be impossible to balance | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25273 Posts
On November 08 2019 20:59 Harris1st wrote: I just checked their homepage but saw nothing regarding current projects. Do you know more? As to the RTS is dead. I have somewhat big hopes for "A year of rain" and "Iron Harvest" to put some live into the genre. But you are probably right. Kids born after 2000 seem to be lacking the endurance to grind out 100s of games to finally git gud and prefer mindless games like idle games and mobil games with flashy colors and an achievement every 2 minutes. Sorry for the generalisation. Don't really know how to epxress this better They have the endurance just they grind for skins and achievements over just being good at a game. I don’t really blame kids for this as designers have actively designed games around the drip feed of such reward systems for quite some time now and don’t really know anything different. I find some of it really insidious especially in the mobile freemium markets. My kid is fascinated with Starcraft but only because he’s come over and I have GSL on the TV it something, he wouldn’t have heard of it otherwise. Unfortunately he’s still a bit young to actually play it, plus sucks with a desktop PC. Tablets and other devices fill in so many gaps that used to be the sole preserve of the family computer. I’m a bit atypically nerdy but I’d estimate I was probably as good at operating a computer at 8/9 than my sister would be now at nearly 15. I guess market shifts have to happen in some degree to factor all these changes in, but hopefully there’s still a big enough market for some good RTS titles in future. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6928 Posts
On November 08 2019 22:07 Wombat_NI wrote: They have the endurance just they grind for skins and achievements over just being good at a game. I don’t really blame kids for this as designers have actively designed games around the drip feed of such reward systems for quite some time now and don’t really know anything different. I find some of it really insidious especially in the mobile freemium markets. My kid is fascinated with Starcraft but only because he’s come over and I have GSL on the TV it something, he wouldn’t have heard of it otherwise. Unfortunately he’s still a bit young to actually play it, plus sucks with a desktop PC. Tablets and other devices fill in so many gaps that used to be the sole preserve of the family computer. I’m a bit atypically nerdy but I’d estimate I was probably as good at operating a computer at 8/9 than my sister would be now at nearly 15. I guess market shifts have to happen in some degree to factor all these changes in, but hopefully there’s still a big enough market for some good RTS titles in future. Haha I remember my older brother and father tried to limit my time with the family computer by using passwords and other software restrictions but I was hacking and cracking left and right until the only solution for them was to just take the monitor away and lock it in a closet ^_^ To topic: If I remember correctly the only thing driving me to get better at something (be it sports or esports) were me and my friends challenging each other to ever higher heights. Now I imagine nothing has changed about that. But obviously if all your friends play Fortnite, you play Fortnite, too. So how do we get groups of friends to play RTS games? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16701 Posts
On November 08 2019 20:59 Harris1st wrote: I just checked their homepage but saw nothing regarding current projects. Do you know more? Pardo talks about it here.. The team picked the kind of game they wanted. Investors didn't choose the game. Sounds like the development of the game is along the lines of Hearthstone. A very small team using an existing game engine. A team of 20 to 25 is making the game. The game will have a deep imaginary world. They came up with 7 game ideas and the team picked the 1 they liked the most. Josh mosqueira headed up that process. It is an online multiplayer game. It has both co-operative and competitive elements. They are using the Unity Engine and it is a PC game. Every employee is also a part owner of the studio. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25273 Posts
On November 08 2019 23:45 Harris1st wrote: Haha I remember my older brother and father tried to limit my time with the family computer by using passwords and other software restrictions but I was hacking and cracking left and right until the only solution for them was to just take the monitor away and lock it in a closet ^_^ To topic: If I remember correctly the only thing driving me to get better at something (be it sports or esports) were me and my friends challenging each other to ever higher heights. Now I imagine nothing has changed about that. But obviously if all your friends play Fortnite, you play Fortnite, too. So how do we get groups of friends to play RTS games? Fucked if I know haha. It’s a bit like music and film too, there’s so much choice that’s great as an individual, but for shared experiences there are fewer central things that everyone is at least aware of, even if they didn’t particularly like them. My primary school years (4 to 11) years I wasn’t allowed a console, but I did have two LANed Macs and the classic Blizzard canon. Friends who played games had their systems too, so it was cool visiting a friend and getting to play Resident Evil or Final Fantasy 7, or Goldeneye and Super Mario 64. I knew all about these games so it was exciting to play them. Basically all my friends who visited my house went on to play RTS games especially when Warcraft 3 dropped because they’d played so much Starcraft at my house. The market has changed from a niche interest hobby into a mainstream hobby that everyone does, and thus the content has too. Look at lists of top selling PC titles of the 90s and there’s RTS, sims, Myst sold a bazillion copies etc. A mainstream game was still a fundamentally nerdy game on the platform. Hell I have my old LucasArts games and the X-Wing and Tie-Fighter games were relatively complex flight aims at the core, the idea that something similar would release today as a mainstream title from a big publisher is laughable. The indie space does a lot of great stuff but I feel they’ve not been able to fill the gaps in trends with FPS and RTS in particular. There’s plenty of appetite there, I was excited by Epic’s model for the now-canned UT sequel, but alas it’s well, canned. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 08 2019 23:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Pardo talks about it here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRt39y1LXQo The team picked the kind of game they wanted. Investors didn't choose the game. Sounds like the development of the game is along the lines of Hearthstone. A very small team using an existing game engine. A team of 20 to 25 is making the game. The game will have a deep imaginary world. They came up with 7 game ideas and the team picked the 1 they liked the most. Josh mosqueira headed up that process. It is an online multiplayer game. It has both co-operative and competitive elements. They are using the Unity Engine and it is a PC game. Every employee is also a part owner of the studio. that sounds interesting. what preexisting game engine did they build Hearthstone on? I've no idea how the game was produced and i would never have cared but i'm currently working for a small software developer and it's made me a lot more aware of what goes into software development and the logistics of it, even though i still have no clue on the actual art of coding and stuff. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16701 Posts
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
On November 06 2019 23:12 Ej_ wrote: Female hellions. This is such an underrated post. As for SC3... competent and interesting story this time around, fun units, good music. Not happening, isn't it. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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ZerglingSoup
United States346 Posts
However, I'm a little nervous about how the development of it would actually play out under the Activision regime. In a more rational world, Activision could see that there is X expected revenue from an SC sequel and devote Y amount of resources to it in order to make a completely acceptable Z% return on investment. With that, we could get at least some sort of follow-up. But we are in an era where every project has to be the biggest and hit the highest numbers because every MBA on the executive team wants to be Lee Iacocca and have books written about them, which doesn't happen with modest projects and reasonable returns. So either you don't ever get a StarCraft, because the numbers don't promise to be the best, or you get an overinvested StarCraft with much too high expectations placed on it, leading it to be a franchise that is even further resented among executives going forward. The truth is, that RTS has always been a niche genre. Gaming companies have figured out how to make games appeal to wider audiences selling games to millions of people who would never be interested in an RTS in the first place, nor would they be playing video games at all in the 90's. StarCraft suffers from being compared to those other games in the board meetings. Fortunately, the future is not written in stone. One can always hope that as the industry matures, the right combination of decision-makers could be put in the right place at the right time to assemble a team of competent writers and professional RTS designers to produce an awesome StarCraft sequel with the right amount of investment and expectations set at the beginning. If that happens soon, I wouldn't complain. | ||
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Yurie
11829 Posts
On November 08 2019 21:00 Harris1st wrote: And with features you mean skins? Or actual gameplay differences? Because the latter would be impossible to balance Something like C&C Generals would be reasonable. Mostly the same faction with a few unique units. | ||
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WaesumNinja
210 Posts
Otherwise something between broodwar and SC2 could be cool. Blizzard really wrapped up things with Raynor/Kerrigan, I don't really see much happening after the sc2 campaign. Zerg freed from their purpose won't really do all that much either. It's pretty much just Artanis being pestered by Alarak by now... | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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Latham
9560 Posts
If you can't watch it, here is a TLDW: People that have been working on past Blizzard games, notably the Blizzard RTS games are leaving the company. For whaever reason it may be, this could suggest that all future RTS plans at Blizzard are canned, and they'll focus on games as live services which make them money monthly... These notable people are Chris Sigaty who has been at Blizzard for over 20 years and was Lead Producer for StarCraft 2, Tim Morton and Brian Souza who have also worked on blizzard RTS games along side Chris Sigaty. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25273 Posts
On November 16 2019 16:42 Latham wrote: Hey guys, I would like to post this video and discuss and some leaks in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qGo8CvISnA If you can't watch it, here is a TLDW: People that have been working on past Blizzard games, notably the Blizzard RTS games are leaving the company. For whaever reason it may be, this could suggest that all future RTS plans at Blizzard are canned, and they'll focus on games as live services which make them money m imo onthly... These notable people are Chris Sigaty who has been at Blizzard for over 20 years and was Lead Producer for StarCraft 2, Tim Morton and Brian Souza who have also worked on blizzard RTS games along side Chris Sigaty. I’m not sure it means anything, at least pertaining to RTS anyway. It might be coincidental, might not. A lot of these guys from Blizzard’s heyday are of a certain age now and probably made a decent amount of cash and may want to step sideways into less stressful and high-profile jobs, have more family time or whatever. It just so happens that they come from a time where Blizzard’s bread and butter was RTS games, so it’s seen as significant of a shift there even though it might not be. 20+ years or whatever it is (I recognise some of the names so I presume they’ve been around a while) in the same company isn’t all that common these days. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On November 08 2019 01:38 Gladness wrote: More character-driven storytelling. It's not that the story of SC2 was bad as such. No, it was. SC2 story was a trainwreck, saved fortunately by well-crafted, fun to play and diverse missions. I am completly serious when I say SC2 story was "so bad it's good" with the exception its not the type of a story I want in that franchise. On November 08 2019 01:38 Gladness wrote: It's that characters would shout monologues at each other, but then you'd translate a new alien book and just do whatever it told you. No matter how well the cutscenes are animated, it's hard to get invested in public readings of a lore wiki. Oh, dont tell me about cutscenes in SC2. I never thoght I will see something that greatly animated and in the same time so cringe worthy because of overdramatic acting, anime inspired duels with short pauses for trash-talking, Zergs that must roar any time they shows before attack, because obviously they cannot just attack without that stupid shit and all of things that pissed me off when I was watching. On November 08 2019 01:38 Gladness wrote: The story in WC3 was a pretty typical zombie apocalypse, and the characters were pretty obvious archetypes. But the story was driven by their actual interactions. No one has to tell the player that Arthas turned his back on his professional and personal responsibilities when he began the culling of Stratholm, because Uther and Jaina showed it to us by their reaction to him. Well, guess what, I dont want this game to be WarCraft in space. I prefer the faction-centered campaigns from SC1/BW, and not character centered that was SC2. On November 08 2019 01:38 Gladness wrote: This is really basic, creative writing 101 kind of stuff. Maybe they should hire a college freshman to proofread their work. They could hire even 11 year old to write SC3 and there's a big chances it still would be improvement in comparison to SC2, wich was Uwe Boll level of shit. | ||
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