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 SL i-League StarSeries Season 4http://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/StarLadder_i-League/StarSeries/Season_4 StreamsTeams                Format
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Train was an easy victory but they are still doing awful things. Faking a drop down to bait T's in but then have a grenade in your hand instead of a rifle.. | ||
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 yeah Mouz played really well on the maps they won, got over the line just on Mirage but they deservedly won Inferno. SK have some searching to do, can't really get a good steady performance going in a bo3 in a good while. | ||
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Hoping Liquid won't do the same with NAF. | ||
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Pandemona
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Oh well, new strats might work! Just i assume limits your map pool heavily if you can't have a main awper ? The last map mirage vs VP, Nitro has 7 awp kills out of 21 kills that map in a game they dominated. I mean you wouldn't see Faze or SK with these kinda stats for their main awpers when they dominate maps. But again hopefully we will see a new strat or tactic that causes this to work. | ||
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MAJOR CHAMPIONS | ||
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phagga
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On February 19 2018 19:05 Pandemona wrote: This Nitro awping for Liquid isn't really working at the moment right? I mean in one of the rounds he throws his awp away to pick up an AK in a 2 on 2 where im sure most main awpers wouldn't have done that? He is a good rifler anyway and to me it seems he prefers rifling to awping which is a big problem? They showed a stat yesterday in there defeat to Renegades where on the map they won he had 4 awp kills compared to Renegades player who had 14 awp kills. Just seems bit of a waste. Oh well, new strats might work! Just i assume limits your map pool heavily if you can't have a main awper ? The last map mirage vs VP, Nitro has 7 awp kills out of 21 kills that map in a game they dominated. I mean you wouldn't see Faze or SK with these kinda stats for their main awpers when they dominate maps. But again hopefully we will see a new strat or tactic that causes this to work. There is an interview with Zews where he is explaining these points. I think it's working just fine. They don't want a specialised AWPer, they want the weapon to just be another tool they can use. Also, Nitr0 is not the only one AWPing, yesterday Twistzz was the top AWP on the server vs Renegades with 15 AWP kills. | ||
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On February 19 2018 22:23 phagga wrote: There is an interview with Zews where he is explaining these points. I think it's working just fine. They don't want a specialised AWPer, they want the weapon to just be another tool they can use. Also, Nitr0 is not the only one AWPing, yesterday Twistzz was the top AWP on the server vs Renegades with 15 AWP kills. Ah yeah that makes more sense and i thought it would be more a tactical decision, but surely that leads to issues on the maps where awps are very useful or are a key component for how the map plays out. Hmmm, we shall see! | ||
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Faruko
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kick all 5 players after that round | ||
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oh boy, i still think he is one of the best players in the world | ||
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Ysellian
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On February 20 2018 00:59 Faruko wrote: this whole match should be played with benny hill music yeah, I haven't laughed that much at a CSGO game in a while. | ||
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Kau
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On February 20 2018 02:16 Ysellian wrote: yeah, I haven't laughed that much at a CSGO game in a while. Which map was this? | ||
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phagga
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After seeing this clip I assume it was inferno. | ||
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Ragnarork
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On February 20 2018 00:23 Faruko wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA G2 CONFIRMED THE MOST STUPID TEAM IN THE WORLD kick all 5 players after that round Glad you're not part of G2 management then, I'd keep a team that qualifies 3-0 in a bo3 swiss any day. :> | ||
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Mensol
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Its still not too late them to get starix, at least he would bring some stability. | ||
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Faruko
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On February 21 2018 01:05 Ragnarork wrote: Glad you're not part of G2 management then, I'd keep a team that qualifies 3-0 in a bo3 swiss any day. :> did you see that round? and by way, i've seen G2 3-0 and lose next round way too many times for that to be a keeper, considering how much you are paying them | ||
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Ragnarork
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If you think qualifying consistently for playoffs at most of the hardest tournaments doesn't make them a keeper, what would? Do you only content yourself with the top 4 teams in the world? Also do you know their salary? | ||
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Faruko
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from potential 7-1 to 6-5 | ||
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Rebs
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Effing hilarious. And the whole world knew that it would bite them too. | ||
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Faruko
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Honestly, i would have a serious talk with those 2 if I were Zeus. | ||
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On February 21 2018 05:18 Ragnarork wrote: ROFL, cold is so pumped after that. Guess it was something along the lines of "show me some respect motherf*ckers" Yeah thats something that Ive experienced at Lans back in the day. Its so good. But never for no reason. Only if someone tried to pull the kind of shit Simple and Edward did. | ||
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Sihrtogg
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For the top level this scalped Swiss (too few rounds are played) doesn't cut it: just too random. Sure Bo3 helps a great deal (Bo1 Swiss is the real lottery) but the outcome is far too dependent on what opponents you end up playing. | ||
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Faruko
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its the best out of a terrible situation, we all know a league system would be the best idea but it's impossible unless you play 3-4 matches at the same time | ||
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On February 22 2018 01:37 Hider wrote: s1mple is by far the best player in the world right now. ehhh by far is a stretch. He is top 3 for sure, but he is setup to carry on this team harder than other players at the same level. | ||
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Faruko
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No set ups on T mirage, peek vs deagles with no flash, etc... | ||
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Hider
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On February 22 2018 01:41 Rebs wrote: ehhh by far is a stretch. He is top 3 for sure, but he is setup to carry on this team harder than other players at the same level. if your closest candidate has had an average rating 2 of 1.26 over the past 3-4 months and you have 1.4 rating2 --> You are in your own category. Arguably noone in the history of csgo has come near the individual performances of s1mple atm. but he is setup to carry on this team harder than other players at the same level. Lots of players are "set up", yet noone comes near 1.3 rating2. | ||
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On February 22 2018 02:44 Hider wrote: if your closest candidate has an average rating2 of 1.15 over the past 3-4 months and you have 1.4 rating2 --> You are in your own category. Arguably noone in the history of csgo has come near the individual performances of s1mple atm. Its meaningless if it doesnt translate to any wins sorry. Like I said hes setup to frag alot on his team. More so than others. You just made a "look, stats" argument which is arguably the lowest hanging fruit you could have gone for and so I am not going to discuss this any further beyond these comments. Also a quick check shows me your stat comparisons are wrong too for the past 3 months. This not even accounting for nuance. Go take a look again. And yes its very arguable I am afraid. I like SImple. I have had to defend him here alot more than most but stating Simple No.1 as fact is a stretch. On February 22 2018 02:44 Hider wrote: Lots of players are "set up", yet noone comes near 1.3 rating2. Like who ? Most other top players have to complete with top 10-20 players for frags most of the time. That they are able to maintain high ratings despite such strong team mates is a bigger deal. I would love for him to be an undisputed No.1 but, if its just frag counts that mattered KennyS at his peak was way more dominant than Simple was btw if we are just looking at 3 month stretches. New fanboy is new. Kenny also had a shittier team than Simple so that helps. | ||
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definitely excited for NaVi vs astralis in playoffs. | ||
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Pontual
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even more for me bc i'm a fanboy for both | ||
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Ysellian
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On February 22 2018 05:15 Pontual wrote: SK and Liquid is actually such a good match to watch even more for me bc i'm a fanboy for both Yeah Liquid under the guidance of Zews and some new additions have looked like a really good team lately. It will be an interesting match to watch for sure. I think SK should have this though. | ||
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Faruko
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also rip Renegades NaVi vs Astralis SHOULD go Astralis way considering how awful has been navi this tournament G2 vs Mouz is all about which G2 we see, the typical post swiss system G2 or finally one that does what this team should do and get top 4 AT LEAST, if not downright in the finals vs Faze | ||
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Ok good T side clinches map one, good job | ||
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Pandemona
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Now they paying for it on there worst map and NAFLY decided to show up lol. Taco also been poor this series as a whole which doesn't help. | ||
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Pontual
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The worst part is that brazilian fans will go to twitter thinking they know shit | ||
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it's playoffs Let's see if they can beat Mouz Mirage | ||
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On February 21 2018 01:32 Faruko wrote: did you see that round? and by way, i've seen G2 3-0 and lose next round way too many times for that to be a keeper, considering how much you are paying them 🤷🏻♂️ | ||
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Rebs
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On February 23 2018 21:08 Faruko wrote: Somehow SK will find a way to replace boltz and not taco Taco isnt really the problem though. Atleast not today on Inferno he was always rotating to a site that was done lost or was holding with shit weapons. We have all been there at some point so that shouldnt even be that difficult to relate to. He could maybe do a better job of getting exits or whatever or maybe even perhaps winning more unfavourable duels but that really shouldnt be an expectation on a support player. On T side, they basically sent him in to bait nades in banana every round. You could argue he can do a better job of that, Taco's general performance and T side in particular is largely reliant on how good the calling is and strat execution is. Most of the rest of the teams were inflated by the run on T side that Taco has little chance at benefiting from. The game was already lost at that point and it was mostly because of how Liquid just kept out playing them with utility (not to mention just raw duels) and SK's force buying spiraled into a situation where they had to just keep doing it because it was too late in the game. American teams also tend to now be very difficult to stop when they are on a roll these days it seems. They are extremely skilled and at some point you could see the swag with which they were taking duels by themselves mid round when it probably wasnt the smart thing to do and easily winning them. | ||
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The other idea is maybe Fallen need to shake up their playbook? SK is a team that heavily relies on their early strats on CT (they go somewhat aggressive to get info then rotate accordingly) snd on T they like to bait with TACO to rundown utility while having the trade ASAP. While it's obviously effective, it's getting old and Liquid managed to force some outplay by trying to separate SK on Cbble on 2 sides and always trying to false some rotations putting SK on weird situations, at least not the ones they are used to. NaVi did the same until the infamous knife round. Maybe I'm overreacting (probably) but if they are going to change a player, it has to be Taco but.i would tey a shake up in their playbook a bit. That Liquid match i feel like at some point cold and cia just didn't follow Fallen any longer, that SK fell... Lost | ||
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On February 24 2018 02:57 Faruko wrote: To be honest, I don't think they need a replacement, but if they want one it has to be Taco, he is the weakest link on a pretty strong line up. The other idea is maybe Fallen need to shake up their playbook? SK is a team that heavily relies on their early strats on CT (they go somewhat aggressive to get info then rotate accordingly) snd on T they like to bait with TACO to rundown utility while having the trade ASAP. While it's obviously effective, it's getting old and Liquid managed to force some outplay by trying to separate SK on Cbble on 2 sides and always trying to false some rotations putting SK on weird situations, at least not the ones they are used to. NaVi did the same until the infamous knife round. Maybe I'm overreacting (probably) but if they are going to change a player, it has to be Taco but.i would tey a shake up in their playbook a bit. That Liquid match i feel like at some point cold and cia just didn't follow Fallen any longer, that SK fell... Lost I agree theyre inferno playbook is too reactive and they are lacking the fundamentals of the current meta on the map specifically. To be fair none of that even mattered in this recent game because they get outplayed in every way possible. The level liquid played at they would probably would get the same kind of start against most teams, the remainder of the game was SK doing SK things and Liquid having a b take that "SK things" wasnt able to handle. The cbble loss isnt a big deal. Thats a swing game you can lose or win either way. | ||
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They played really well on train | ||
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If Na'vi is to be consistently successful this is what a scorecard should look like. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/EAsIu1R.jpg) | ||
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Next round, again they cheer about Niko being in pit yet Niko just rekts two players. Wow. What a shit crowd and what a bad way to organise a tournament. Good on FaZe for winning anyways. | ||
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Faruko
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What a shitty post, someone is mad for something | ||
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regardless of the result, NaVi are looking much better than they were at major. I hate FaZe's style but cant deny that they are the best team in the world. | ||
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On February 25 2018 02:59 Faruko wrote: The fuck dude, do you even think players would take cues from the crowd? What a shitty post, someone is mad for something No need to get baited by a shitpost either. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Don't worry, won't get baited by your post eh | ||
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Faruko
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You are right to be fair | ||
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On February 25 2018 03:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Don't worry, won't get baited by your post eh Feeling left out? Wasnt talking to you bud. But sure feel free to take the advice aswell I suppose. Good advice never hurt anyone. Its only slightly above omg hax (followed by some shitty DanM video) on the troll ladder. On February 25 2018 03:04 Ysellian wrote: Yeah, before the 1v2 I actually thought Navi had this. Shame really. Faze should have this now, because Navi are quite bad on overpass. Its somewhat ridiculous how good Faze is. Faze realised at some point that they could just fuck complicated tactics, take some map control and play trades all game. Even though they gave up a bunch of CT rounds they all came to so many clutches that the second they won a round Na'vi was broke. It looked like Na'vi was doing really well CT side but they never got a solid clean win. For that too not work you need the other team to be playing probably beyond their own individual levels for quite a period. Or take some gambles or do something else.. I dono a hard read or something that gets clean advantages before the hits come in. | ||
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On February 25 2018 03:08 Rebs wrote: Feeling left out? Wasnt talking to you bud. But sure feel free to take the advice aswell I suppose. Good advice never hurt anyone. Its only slightly above omg hax (followed by some shitty DanM video) on the troll ladder. Its somewhat ridiculous how good Faze is. Faze realised at some point that they could just fuck complicated tactics, take some map control and play trades all game. Even though they gave up a bunch of CT rounds they all came to so many clutches that the second they won a round Na'vi was broke. It looked like Na'vi was doing really well CT side but they never got a solid clean win. For that too not work you need the other team to be playing probably beyond their own individual levels for quite a period. Or take some gambles or do something else.. I dono a hard read or something that gets clean advantages before the hits come in. All I said is that the crowd shouted the position of Niko. Which happened before and will happen in other tournaments where no soundbooths are in place, and maybe it's even going to happen with soundbooths. It's a problem and it massively favors the home team. That's not a shitpost, it's genuine injustice. Bringing up dan m shit is just rude and doesn't really add to a healthy constructive conversation. I mean you're entitled to your opinion after all and I'm not taking that away but it's a genuine observation and objectively, it's simply unfair. | ||
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On February 25 2018 03:21 Ysellian wrote: True Rebs, they never got a clean win in and their economy was always on a knife's edge. Shame. Anyway lets see if Navi have improved on Overpass. The only thing going for Na'vi right now is that Guardian isnt feeling it. | ||
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what a god. | ||
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On February 25 2018 03:52 Mensol wrote: s1mple omfg what a god. Insane.. | ||
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On February 25 2018 04:05 Ragnarork wrote: Saying that complaints about the crowd calling out spots are on the same level of DanM videos is actually quite dishonest. There HAVE been cases of the crowd attempting to help teams. And there's been players mentioning that the crowd sometimes gave them a hint through their reaction. Let's keep it civil and nice. I didnt say it was the same level. | ||
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NaVi are slowly but surely getting there. | ||
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Faruko
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where was this navi the entire tournament Even if NaVi loses train this NaVi is MUCH MUCH better than what we've seen so far | ||
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On February 25 2018 04:10 Faruko wrote: Nice! where was this navi the entire tournament Even if NaVi loses train this NaVi is MUCH MUCH better than what we've seen so far The same Na'vi played against Astralis. | ||
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I know, but I thought it was a fluke seems like they might have done their work in that free day | ||
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On February 25 2018 04:14 Ysellian wrote: So now that I'm hyped about Navi again they''ll lose the third map lol. I hope I'm wrong, would love to see Simple finally get a big tournament win. 14 1vX's this tournament apparently. If Na'vi can win a few tournaments he will grab no.1 at the end of the year easily. Hes almost guaranteed top 3 even they dont win anything. | ||
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still cant believe it. | ||
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Far from saying he is bad, but i feel Cold has that "is not over untill the final whistle" I feel like when Faze needs Niko this late in tournaments he just doesn't appear, unlike Cold... Or even s1mple. Of course, I'm not saying this is Niko fault, far from it, but i guess we should expect more? Sounds unfair, but hey, you are always waiting more from Messi/CR7 even though they have give tgeir teams a ton | ||
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On February 25 2018 05:24 Faruko wrote: Niko will never be as good as cold unless he changes his mental fortitude, he lacks that "Don't worry boys, cold is here" aura Far from saying he is bad, but i feel Cold has that "is not over untill the final whistle" I feel like when Faze needs Niko this late in tournaments he just doesn't appear, unlike Cold... Or even s1mple. Of course, I'm not saying this is Niko fault, far from it, but i guess we should expect more? Sounds unfair, but hey, you are always waiting more from Messi/CR7 even though they have give tgeir teams a ton its not unfair, thats what truly great players do. Some take longer to get there than others. Mind you Simple hasnt really done anything on the level of what Cold or SK have pulled off either. If anything hes been on the other end of it. | ||
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Dav1oN
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For players it's much less pressure with benefits, for audience one more high class match to watch. | ||
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Keep doing it, it's great | ||
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The map pool looks terrible for NaVi. They need miracle to beat mouz on Mirage so Overpass is must win. | ||
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On February 26 2018 06:57 PhoenixVoid wrote: What the hell is that last millisecond shot to deny the defuse. it was like 2 seconds left | ||
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NaVi is atrocious on that map, and Mouz is like top tier... Their T side is something else, train is here now | ||
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On February 26 2018 07:03 Epoxide wrote: simple on cz, zeus on ak okay Yeah absolutely shocking. They didnt deserve to win it though. Only Simple did. | ||
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On February 26 2018 06:17 Mensol wrote: s1mple is blowing my mind this tournament. expected performance based on how he has played over the last 3 months tbh. Hence my point is that there is no contest atm, he is miles above anyone else in skill. He is just that good and consistently good. E.g. when he has a really bad game he just looks "average". | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:12 Epoxide wrote: navi is so bad, literally the simple show Well they made a final in probably the hardest format ever so they cant be that bad. On top of that I think its safe to say that Mousesports is a really good team too. They've been trending up for 6 months now and probably have more upside than any other team right now. | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:14 Rebs wrote: Well they made a final in probably the hardest format ever so they cant be that bad. On top of that I think its safe to say that Mousesports is a really good team too. They've been trending up for 6 months now and probably have more upside than any other team right now. Yeah, they have looked like an great team for months. They seem to get better and better at the mental game especially. Not easy to hold your nerves in the second map after Navi came so close to winning it all. | ||
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oh well, great showing overall from NaVi but im still sad. | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:14 Rebs wrote: Well they made a final in probably the hardest format ever so they cant be that bad. On top of that I think its safe to say that Mousesports is a really good team too. They've been trending up for 6 months now and probably have more upside than any other team right now. no they aren't bad because they have simple on their team | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:17 Epoxide wrote: no they aren't bad because they have simple on their team Thats unfair though, most of their big wins were when Simple wasnt hard carrying. Still fragging hard but there were contributions everywhere else that were more than just meaningfull. Again its also kinda disrespectful to how well Mousesports is aswell to just say the finalist that went through Faze and Astralis is "really bad". But okk.. | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:19 Rebs wrote: Thats unfair though, most of their big wins were when Simple wasnt hard carrying. Clearly did not see whole tournament.. N Thats the problem with the team, they almost never go off. I think you're overrating the games they've won. They went 5-3 in Bo3 this lan and I only think two (astralis and faze) of their wins was vs decent opponents. 2-1 vs gambit and heroic isnt exactly stellar | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:19 Rebs wrote: Thats unfair though, most of their big wins were when Simple wasnt hard carrying. Still fragging hard but there were contributions everywhere else that were more than just meaningfull. Again its also kinda disrespectful to how well Mousesports is aswell to just say the finalist that went through Faze and Astralis is "really bad". But okk.. I never said mouz were bad, I think they are a good team. But do you honestly think this final had high level gameplay? | ||
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On February 26 2018 08:24 Epoxide wrote: I never said mouz were bad, I think they are a good team. But do you honestly think this final had high level gameplay? From Mouz and Simple sure. Mirage was kinda bad though. | ||
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yes but just because Na'vi played a bad game today doesnt just make them "bad" because clearly they are capable of beating better teams aswell. I mean wtf do you mean beating the teams they did isnt stellar reading. Then what is stellar reading ? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
and NaVi was a big question mark after the swiss round, like literally everyone thought they were going to lose vs Astralis, then vs FaZe, but they made it Sure, having s1mple being a beast is a plus always, but flamie+electronic also added some much needed good performances too. It's incredibly unfair to say navi is super bad because they clearly worked on their stuff and they still have lot to work on (T side mirage is... something else) but they clearly showed that they are in a much better position than a few months ago. They are a strong team right now, they just need to show that it wasn't a fluke. Mouz has been playing well for quite some time, much longer than Navi | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
navi are slowly getting there. they are extremely strong on three maps as it stands (train, overpass and inferno). once they improve their mirage and nuke, they will be top 4 again. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On February 26 2018 18:44 Mensol wrote: beating both astralis and faze in bo3 shouldnt be overlooked. they are hardest teams to play against in boX along with SK. when the last time navi looked this strong, it was 2017 eleague major, which was in january. shame that zeus had a shocker on mirage, and electronic/flamie went full choke on train, but it became a good experience for electronic since it was his first big final. navi are slowly getting there. they are extremely strong on three maps as it stands (train, overpass and inferno). once they improve their mirage and nuke, they will be top 4 again. Zeus on Mirage was just historically terrible. I feel for the guy. It was beyond embarrassing. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On February 27 2018 03:54 darthfoley wrote: Zeus on Mirage was just historically terrible. I feel for the guy. It was beyond embarrassing. To be honest Going toe to toe on Mirage vs easily the best Mirage team right now was something NOBODY expected, especially with that terrible T side. something to look forward to be honest If NaVi can make electronic/flamie be more consistent and work A LITTLE on their T sides, they win a major. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 27 2018 08:42 Faruko wrote: To be honest Going toe to toe on Mirage vs easily the best Mirage team right now was something NOBODY expected, especially with that terrible T side. something to look forward to be honest If NaVi can make electronic/flamie be more consistent and work A LITTLE on their T sides, they win a major. Thats hard to say considering how competitive the landscape is. And this year will probably have more unique tournament winners then ever. Think about it, the current major winner didnt make it through groups at Star Series and the top 2 teams at StarSeries didnt even make it through the qualifier for Katowice (Granted they improved massively since, but that means that other teams can do the same thing) Meanwhile VP gets invited to everything still. Although I think their free invite capital will run out after katowice. | ||
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