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Danes behind the worlds largest electronic sports club.
Short article about e-Sports, MyM and the future. http://www.berlingske.dk/kultur/artikel:aid=850142
Worth a quick read? Yeah. If you think about it Denmark has a lot of characteristics that lend itself to going totally "wired" and emulating the South Korean techno-boom after it but its chips on high wiring the whole nation. Anyways, a little of the subject but worth a quick read. Go, speed readers!
translation by Apollis + Show Spoiler +translated by Apollis @ MyM (with a little editing/proof reading by yours truly) Well first I will say sorry for my bad English, but I tried my best in translating everything. The translation is a lot word by word, but also so (I hope) will make sense to everyone.
So here goes:Danes behind the worlds largest electronic sports club.Online computer games have become profitable sport. Eight Danish businessmen have bought one of the world’s best electronic boxing stables. With million injections and more professional computer players being bought, will they make their electronic sports team “Meet Your Makers” to the worlds best in one year. Mountains of chips and cola bottles. Greased, pale, acne and asocial teenagers with blunt eyes and as a blunted mind have long been the picture many have seen, when people have talked about computer games. With horror, parents and experts imagine, how that part of the youth will make them illiterate. But with so much other, where the electronic have a circuit in the game, have the reality distance them self from the prophesies. Online-gaming or e-sport has developed it to a professional and social sport. Companies as Adidas and Samsung throw millions of dollars in sponsorships at the best cyberathletes. e-Sports clubs appear everywhere. With help from sponsor and paying fans, there grow with same speed as a virus, the clubs buys the best computer players, the net have made. Danes in front.Eight Danish businessmen from the commercial-, sport- and media business have jump on the gaming-train. With an unknown million investment have the bought one the leading e-Sports clubs in the world, with the dangerous name Meet Your Makers (MYM). The expectations are huge: In the year 2007, the eight will make the club into the world largest with over 250.000 users from 150 different countries. It won’t be cheap. That’s why the Danish businessmen are in negotiations with possible partners, there are willing to add an extra three number million sum, to the club. The club value stands with 40 professional computer players on the club payroll. With support from MYM, the 40 pros travels around the world to compete in different competitions, with the strategy game WarCraft and shooting game Counter Strike. Two of the eight businessmen are partners in the communication bureau Dreyer & Kvetny. Jacob Dreyer and Peter Kvetny means it serious, when they say that e-sport already are bigger the soccer, measure in the numbers of players. Like many other new things, the development is strongest in Asia.“In China and Korea have e-sport become a millionaire industry. The most famous players can barely walk on the street in peace. They have their own idol-sites and a salary far above a million kroner (170.000 US $) each year” tells Jacob Dreyer. South Korea are the power center for e-Gaming. Here is many TV channels there transmit 24/7 from different tournaments. Here is WarCraft 3 the most popularly game. The most famous player are 21 year old Korean Jang Jae Ho. In the e-sport he is never called more then his gaming ID, MYM Spirit Moon. MYM means he is a member of Meet Your Makers. The nerd is dead.Broadband development and the computer game upgrading to a sport have by Peter Kvetny view, affected the hour-long activity behind the screen to become an interactive social activity. The players talk to each other over the Internet, meeting at net café and at high growth at e-Sports tournaments around the world. "To the big competitions in South Korea gathers over 200.000 spectators – that’s more then any soccer match can do" explains Peter Kvetny. And tries to kill the myth about the pizza eating and cola drinking computer geek. "To be in this game, you have to keep your body in perfect physics shape. That means a lot of training in fitness center and a healthy diet. We have added a health expert to our team, so the players physic works best. That results in that our best players can do ten hits on the keyboard per second." Tells Peter Kvetny. The Wild Weste-Sport is still new, so there aren’t that many rules and ethic lines. Besides making it hard for the club to make their players fulfill their contract, does the player not have any special rights. Many or the professional players are in the gymnasium age. With a daily training on 12 hours, it become hard for the player to do any other things. MYM are aware of the problem. "This is still the wild west out here. That’s why we are together with other e-Sports clubs building something similar as FIFA is in the soccer world, to get everything under control." Says Jacob Dreyer. Better then GoogleE-sport is still biggest in South Korea. But the Chinese government have seen the interest for the e-Sport. It’s a healthy way to use the Internet. “It’s healthier then searching on Google.” Says Peter Kvetny with a smile. The Chinese government is known to lead a hard electronic censor on the Internet. MYM got to feel the Chinese e-Sport interest, when the government in Beijing contacted them in spring. In the beginning MYM though it was a joke, but the Chinese ambassador in Copenhagen confirmed the Chinese interest. Then MYM said yes to become partner in arranging the worlds largest e-Sport event, where every Chinese gymnasiums and universities participate. 5 TV channels, with a potential of 1 billion viewers, will cover the event.Olympic discipline?A lot look like that the Chinese e-sport madness, will lead to that we maybe will see the sport as a discipline at the Olympics in Beijing in 18 months, as a demonstration sport. The Global Gaming League is in negotiation with the Chinese government.“With the large growth the sport is going trough, I can only imaging that we will see e-sport as fully serious discipline. Already now it’s bigger then soccer and in 2009 we count that the sport will have more then 100 millions players in the world. Says Jacob Dreyer. I hope everyone understands it. Good night  //Apollis my Source http://www.meetyourmakers.com/thread/2008.html
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warcraft3 is the biggest game in korea eh?
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On January 18 2007 23:57 uberMatt wrote: warcraft3 is the biggest game in korea eh?
Well obviously not the case but Im pretty sure WC3 does have a relatively large Euro and Chinese following. The article may have spun that one a little due to MYM not having a real competitive StarC squad.
I wonder what they mean by "bigger than soccer" though? In terms of player participation? I mean I think gaming will end up being something special if e-Sports continues growing because if you follow pro sports, you cant really play pro sports like those athletes without perhaps a large amount of formative training in your teen years. But if you've been playing video games for a while I think anyone with some dedication can be competitive in a video game, and I dont mean in the pro sense... But at the level that you feel a little closer to the e-Sport you follow.
In otherwords viewers who also play the game would feel a greater sense of involvement.
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I find it absolutely completely ridiculous when people say that playing a computer game is a sport. You sit in your ass, clicking your little mouse and keyboard. Also, they say that the old image of a pale, antisocial acneboy no longer is true. Well, that might be true for the professionals of the game, but the average computerplayer (the ones that at least are a little bit good) still fits pretty good on this image (from my experience that is). "To be in this game, you have to keep your body in perfect physics shape. That means a lot of training in fitness center and a healthy diet. We have added a health expert to our team, so the players physic works best. That results in that our best players can do ten hits on the keyboard per second." Tells Peter Kvetny. You do not have to be in perfect shape/good shape or even mediocre shape to play a fucking computer game. It's riduculous.
To what the actual article is about: I'm just interested to know how they'll make that kind of money that they invested in this. They invested an unknown amount of million (DKK that is), and they still ned an investment of 3-digit million DKK. Holy shit.
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Pretty exciting stuff, but like Nazarene I can't imagine how they'll make back all of those money that they have invested. Oh well, at least this opens up the posibility of starcraft on tv just a little bit (there's a partial gaming channel already, but they only show FPS games and very rarely warcraft 3)
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On January 19 2007 05:19 Nazarene wrote:I find it absolutely completely ridiculous when people say that playing a computer game is a sport. You sit in your ass, clicking your little mouse and keyboard. Also, they say that the old image of a pale, antisocial acneboy no longer is true. Well, that might be true for the professionals of the game, but the average computerplayer (the ones that at least are a little bit good) still fits pretty good on this image (from my experience that is). Show nested quote +"To be in this game, you have to keep your body in perfect physics shape. That means a lot of training in fitness center and a healthy diet. We have added a health expert to our team, so the players physic works best. That results in that our best players can do ten hits on the keyboard per second." Tells Peter Kvetny. You do not have to be in perfect shape/good shape or even mediocre shape to play a fucking computer game. It's riduculous. To what the actual article is about: I'm just interested to know how they'll make that kind of money that they invested in this. They invested an unknown amount of million (DKK that is), and they still ned an investment of 3-digit million DKK. Holy shit.
Well it is actually true that having a healthy body improves your gaming. It increases your stamina and you can focus for a longer time, and play longer for that matter. And if down stay healthy as a progammer you wont have the energy to practice.
And this honestly sounds interesting, it would be cool if this lead to more gaming being brodcasted in Denmark (As someone said there is some now, but it is often reruns and FPS). And when you read the numbers when it comes to money you have to remember that 1dkk=6,xx$
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1dkk=6,xx$? I think you mean ~6dkk=1USD
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On January 19 2007 07:56 EsbenPM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2007 05:19 Nazarene wrote:I find it absolutely completely ridiculous when people say that playing a computer game is a sport. You sit in your ass, clicking your little mouse and keyboard. Also, they say that the old image of a pale, antisocial acneboy no longer is true. Well, that might be true for the professionals of the game, but the average computerplayer (the ones that at least are a little bit good) still fits pretty good on this image (from my experience that is). "To be in this game, you have to keep your body in perfect physics shape. That means a lot of training in fitness center and a healthy diet. We have added a health expert to our team, so the players physic works best. That results in that our best players can do ten hits on the keyboard per second." Tells Peter Kvetny. You do not have to be in perfect shape/good shape or even mediocre shape to play a fucking computer game. It's riduculous. To what the actual article is about: I'm just interested to know how they'll make that kind of money that they invested in this. They invested an unknown amount of million (DKK that is), and they still ned an investment of 3-digit million DKK. Holy shit. Well it is actually true that having a healthy body improves your gaming. It increases your stamina and you can focus for a longer time, and play longer for that matter. And if down stay healthy as a progammer you wont have the energy to practice. You can be the fattest fuck in the world and still be the absolutely best in your game. That's what I mean. This is one of the biggest reasons why you cannot call 'e-sports' for sports. If you're in a superlong intense game and your opponent is exactly as good as you, I might give the edge to the person in better shape, but in other situations it doesn't mean anything.
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On January 19 2007 05:19 Nazarene wrote:I find it absolutely completely ridiculous when people say that playing a computer game is a sport. You sit in your ass, clicking your little mouse and keyboard. Also, they say that the old image of a pale, antisocial acneboy no longer is true. Well, that might be true for the professionals of the game, but the average computerplayer (the ones that at least are a little bit good) still fits pretty good on this image (from my experience that is). Show nested quote +"To be in this game, you have to keep your body in perfect physics shape. That means a lot of training in fitness center and a healthy diet. We have added a health expert to our team, so the players physic works best. That results in that our best players can do ten hits on the keyboard per second." Tells Peter Kvetny. You do not have to be in perfect shape/good shape or even mediocre shape to play a fucking computer game. It's riduculous.
QFT
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Chess is considered a sport why not SC?
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isnt sport a synonym with competition? if its a contest its a sport no?
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On January 19 2007 13:54 Return wrote: isnt sport a synonym with competition? if its a contest its a sport no? if that is the official definition of a sport, then yeah, playing computer games is a 'sport'. but am i really the only one that think that a sport should rely on physical ability as well as mental ability? playing computer or chess (or poker for that matter) is really ony about the latter.
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Just to add something to my translation, I've got confirmed two things in the article that was wrong.
There is a few adjustments in the whole article. Not something I've wrote wrong, but that I have got confirmed is a mistake in the article.
In the year 2007, the eight will make the club into the world largest with over 250.000 users from 150 different countries.
That should have been 2,5 million users.
Here is WarCraft 3 the most popularly game.
It should have said StarCraft, as many have guess.
(And yes I'm Apollis, some other dude have taken Apollo on mYm's site )
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E-Sports is different from Sports and should remain that way. -_- Of course physical conditioning helps in almost every aspect in life. So, don't give me that bullshit. E-SPORT!
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The worlds largest e-sports event? Details?
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On January 19 2007 14:18 Nazarene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2007 13:54 Return wrote: isnt sport a synonym with competition? if its a contest its a sport no? if that is the official definition of a sport, then yeah, playing computer games is a 'sport'. but am i really the only one that think that a sport should rely on physical ability as well as mental ability? playing computer or chess (or poker for that matter) is really ony about the latter. You're one of the few left on this earth who can't accept E-Sport. From the beginning of time, sport has always been synonymous with competition, the point is to find out who's best at something. So get with the time and learn to accept E-Sport.
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On January 19 2007 21:48 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2007 14:18 Nazarene wrote:On January 19 2007 13:54 Return wrote: isnt sport a synonym with competition? if its a contest its a sport no? if that is the official definition of a sport, then yeah, playing computer games is a 'sport'. but am i really the only one that think that a sport should rely on physical ability as well as mental ability? playing computer or chess (or poker for that matter) is really ony about the latter. You're one of the few left on this earth who can't accept E-Sport. From the beginning of time, sport has always been synonymous with competition, the point is to find out who's best at something. So get with the time and learn to accept E-Sport. haha, am I one of the 'few' who can't accept e-sports? are you serious? I can assure you that if we we're on, let's say a boxing forum, you would be one of the few that had accepted e-sports as 'sports'. it's only because we're on a goddamn brood war forum where every other kid has a dream to become the new ipxzerg/boxer/whatever. the general public does not think that e-sports is a 'sport'. that i can guarantee you. so how about you stepped outside for a moment and 'got with the time'?
edit: but just to clarify 2 points: the official definition of a sport might be just a contest in something. but i am absolutely sure that the general public is not ready to accept e-sports as a sport yet (including me). i don't think i'll ever accept it as one either. that's just me though - i think that physical ability should by far be the greatest skill required to excell in a sport.
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I agree with Nazarene about e-sports not being accepted by a majority of people. But a majority of people will also watch whatever is well broadcast and has compelling competition or suitable drama.
So for that I think BW is fine. Its a sport/competition to me by definition. But I dont think anyone should make any attempt to say that an in-shape BW player is automatically better than another one. You could definitely be immobile obese and gosu it up so long as you can move your mouse and hit keys on the keyboard. The fitness stuff in the article(And related to some of the Korean progaming scene) is merely an image thing or PR spin. They want their group of boys to appeal to their peers via looking together and not be greasy fuckin slobs, nothin to do with how they play.
E-Sports would have a lot easier time worldwide if good looking gaming personalities could become household names among young people. And not like fatality. Having spiked and dyed hair and wearing matching casual clothes with oakleys isnt stylish to anyone.
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If MYM wants to have the most users, they need more than 250,000.
SK-Gaming alone has 745,698.
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A talented footballer requires several things. Firstly the game sense and experience to know what to do with the ball. Secondly the physical technique to be able to accomplish the first. Thirdly the perception (and again experience) of what everyone else, particularly his team, wishes to do with the ball. (and I mean in the short term, because it's obvious they wish to score a goal with it)
A talented starcraft player needs The game sense and experience to know what to do with his units. The micro to be able to achieve it. The ability to read what his opponent is doing, and in team games, what his allies want.
Both are competitive. Explain the difference. Because being a talented footballer is far beyond your physical shape. That is quite possibly the least important aspect of it, there are millions of people who are athletic with high endurance and good spatial awareness who could not play professional football.
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On January 20 2007 07:31 Kwark wrote: A talented footballer requires several things. Firstly the game sense and experience to know what to do with the ball. Secondly the physical technique to be able to accomplish the first. Thirdly the perception (and again experience) of what everyone else, particularly his team, wishes to do with the ball. (and I mean in the short term, because it's obvious they wish to score a goal with it)
A talented starcraft player needs The game sense and experience to know what to do with his units. The micro to be able to achieve it. The ability to read what his opponent is doing, and in team games, what his allies want.
Both are competitive. Explain the difference. Because being a talented footballer is far beyond your physical shape. That is quite possibly the least important aspect of it, there are millions of people who are athletic with high endurance and good spatial awareness who could not play professional football.
what I was trying to say was that in bw, it doesnt matter if youre in perfect supershape, or in bad shape. it all comes down to who clicks his mouse and keyboard the best. it has nothing to do with physique.
THAT is the difference - you need good physique to be good at a sport (IMO).
i hope people understand what im trying to get across.
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On January 20 2007 06:56 Dknight wrote: If MYM wants to have the most users, they need more than 250,000.
SK-Gaming alone has 745,698.
That is a mistake in the article from the journalist side, the real number is 2.5 million and not 250.000.
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On January 20 2007 07:37 Nazarene wrote: what I was trying to say was that in bw, it doesnt matter if youre in perfect supershape, or in bad shape. it all comes down to who clicks his mouse and keyboard the best. it has nothing to do with physique.
THAT is the difference - you need good physique to be good at a sport (IMO).
i hope people understand what im trying to get across.
You are arguing about semantics ( the definition of the word - sport ) . It really doesn't matter what you call it. However, it is rather obvious that e-sports and poker and other non-physical contests will continue to grow and eventually will become on par with the traditional sports. Its only a matter of time really.
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I read Denmark, Millions and E-sports - my question is; where is my invitation? I need sponsorship in order to eat more pizza and expand in bodymass :[
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The nordic countries, denmark, sweden, norway, finland def have the best potential outside of asia with professional gaming.. high speed connections for everyone, extremely computer interested populations. Too bad it is going so slow to get some tv channels out there and get a bunch of leagues going.
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wow, that's really cool. It's the best thing Ive read this year. I look forward to see how e-sports are gonna do in the future. I hope that MyM will make a pro foreign bw team in Korea - That would be so cool.
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