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this has been all over the nfl forums, but they suck so bad so i decided to post here, since theres a lot of nfl-heads here too =].
most of you know by now, jim mora was fired yesterday. personally, i think that the falcons should have given vick the boot. aside from sell out seats, what else has he done?
in his 6 years in the league, hes got one year with a percentage completion above 55, which is flat out bad. only one year above an 80.0 qbr. sure, his running is eye catching and sells seats, but what else does it do? altlana is essentially a one dimensional team because he cant pass. forget it if they are laying from behind. by running the ridiculous amount of times he does, he also opens the door for injury.
people trying to defend him will say his team has more drops than anyone. look at warrick dunn, one of the best pass catching rb's. hes got crumpler, an easy top-3 te in the nfc. he had pierless price, who, prior to coming over, was shaping up to be a top-tier receiver. vick single handedly killed that. discuss!!!
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They have more issues than just at quarterback. Their first string defense allowed 24 points to the eagles entire second string offense. When that happens, you know you're in trouble
They also were having some issues with their offensive line. As far as I could tell, they just weren't getting the same push for their running attack that they normally do. Plus, warrick dunn is getting up there in the years, definitely gonna need to be replaced. Hard to say if norwood is the answer (i'm leaning towards no, though he did look good in spot duty).
They have issues besides quarterback. There's no way they can cut him either, primarily because of that extension that they signed recently. Their cap hit would probably be ridiculous
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oh yea, i wasnt even going into the rest of their team, with that eagles game being my main point. i just chose vick because he's the media's darling and how everyone blamed this season on mora. vick is arrogant (hes seeming more and more like his dooshbag of a brother every day), flipped off his fans and then criticized the coaches. he said it couldnt have been his fault they did bad this season, since his stats were good.
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have vick run plays like they use in UW. what do you call those shit where Qb rolls from sideline to sideline with running back as an option to pass and reciever also an option to pass while shifting the entire offensiveline like a screen. plays like that are design for Qbs that runs good
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it's called the option
and that just doesn't work in the pros. quarterbacks are $100 million investments, option quarterbacks take WAY too much of a beating for that to be a legit strategy in the pros.
Doing it every now and then is ok. Personally I think they should run the spread more often. 3 wide outs, put in algie, dunn in the backfield, vick in the shotgun. gives him a lot of room to operate
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thedeadhaji
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selling seats would seem quite important for the falcons "organization"
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I've talked shit about Vick on too many forums already. Everyone that rides his dick is stupid. They try and say he makes up for his weak passing game (always because of his receivers, not him. Vicks throws NEVER have anything to do with it according to them) by his good running game. He ALWAYS has positive rushing yards. And my counter to that, "Do you know Qb's don't get subtracted for yards lost per carry? Qb's can't have negative rushing yards? Yea...It doesn't count against their rushing. Awesome huh?"
Vick isn't good. He is a gimmick. He is athletic, yes, but he is too fragile to run, and his career will be over soon with one good hit. I want Strahan to hit him one good time.
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I've never been a fan of Vick, I hate how he runs more than he passes, I swear he has no right to call himself a QB. He's just a second HB and his constant running also makes it all about him (as in he gets all the attention and his teammates are forgotten). I really hope he gets ruined before his career ends or atleast becomes a real QB...
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On January 02 2007 10:55 KOFgokuon wrote:
They have more issues than just at quarterback. Their first string defense allowed 24 points to the eagles entire second string offense. When that happens, you know you're in trouble
They also were having some issues with their offensive line. As far as I could tell, they just weren't getting the same push for their running attack that they normally do. Plus, warrick dunn is getting up there in the years, definitely gonna need to be replaced. Hard to say if norwood is the answer (i'm leaning towards no, though he did look good in spot duty).
They have issues besides quarterback. There's no way they can cut him either, primarily because of that extension that they signed recently. Their cap hit would probably be ridiculous
The first string defense is missing about six guys from it. Week 17 is a really shitty week to talk about where teams need improvement. Yeah, they need more depth, but that's not what you're talking about there.
They don't have to cut Vick at all, though. Move his ass to HB to replace the aging Warrick Dunn, and start the pretty decent looking QB they have in Matt Schaub. Either that or try to find a team that will take Vick in a trade.
I don't think Vick is too fragile to be a HB. He's taken some good shots on the sidelines before. Granted, one of the better shots he's taken broke his leg, but whatever. He's not going to bring that team anywhere, and Jim Mora Sr. was 100% right earlier this year.
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peyton manning passes better than vick
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Osaka27149 Posts
On January 03 2007 00:17 Pacifist wrote:
peyton manning passes better than vick
wow, listen to this man, some real insider stuff here.
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Austin10831 Posts
On January 03 2007 00:17 Pacifist wrote:
peyton manning passes better than vick
Can you elaborate further please? I'd like to know more about this.
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What the hell is wrong with you people?
You want his career ended? Just because he's not a good passer? That's like me saying I want you to break both of your wrists because you want win WCG every year
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Mora had the best winning percentage of a ATL coach, ever.
Which is sad because he went something like 29-25.
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On January 03 2007 11:41 Dahlia... wrote:
Mora had the best winning percentage of a ATL coach, ever.
Which is sad because he went something like 29-25.
26-22 I think. He's one of two guys to leave that team with a winning record. What a shitty team.
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On January 03 2007 08:26 KOFgokuon wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you people?
You want his career ended? Just because he's not a good passer? That's like me saying I want you to break both of your wrists because you want win WCG every year
no lol. im just sick of seeing the media ride his nuts about how great he is. and i was curious to others thoughts about it. imo, hes nothing more than a mediocre qb.
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Osaka27149 Posts
For you not to put any blame on the recieving corp is bogus though. Every week I watch gameday and see his recievers dropping passes that just _kill_ drives. With more consistant recievers, the running game becomes even more potent, and things open up more.
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Meh, when things are looking down, compare to the Lions. God we suck. We cant even lose when we need to.
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You should be happy, you won't be obligated to draft and overpay brady quinn
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wtf
I never knew QB's were like 5-10 and 5'9 and shit.
My mind was just completely blown.
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On January 03 2007 19:01 KOFgokuon wrote:
You should be happy, you won't be obligated to draft and overpay brady quinn
Brady Quinn is going to be a damn good QB in the pros. I pray that he's not drafted by the Raiders or the Lions. Not like Matt Millen would ever draft a good player, though.
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That's where you and I disagree. I think he's going to be terrible.
I think Troy Smith will do much better, if he gets put in the right situation. It's stupid that he's going to fall in the draft just because he's missing a few inches
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The Thing is weren't the Falcons even worse without Vick? Personally I feel more sorry for the Dolphins who will have Culpepper or Harrington at QB. No wonder Jason Taylor is considering retirement... if i was Zac Thomas i'd be considering the same thing :/
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On January 04 2007 11:03 KOFgokuon wrote:
That's where you and I disagree. I think he's going to be terrible.
I think Troy Smith will do much better, if he gets put in the right situation. It's stupid that he's going to fall in the draft just because he's missing a few inches
Why on earth would you think a guy who's been working with one of the best minds that football has to offer right now be a bad QB?
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He's fine as a college quarterback. But look how he (and admittedly, the whole team) performed every time they played someone that was good. michigan? usc? lsu? not good. They had a good win against penn state, and a really close game against ucla that they barely won. I just don't think he'll perform that well in the pros, especially considering the teams that have the top 5 picks.
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On January 04 2007 12:57 KOFgokuon wrote:
He's fine as a college quarterback. But look how he (and admittedly, the whole team) performed every time they played someone that was good. michigan? usc? lsu? not good. They had a good win against penn state, and a really close game against ucla that they barely won. I just don't think he'll perform that well in the pros, especially considering the teams that have the top 5 picks.
i think hes overhyped, but hell be good eventually. awesome qb's dont throw ones like the one he threw (in the 3rd i think?) where he was near getting sacked, ran backwards, threw off his left foot to a stationary wr, and got his pass jumped. give him 3 years, hell be best in this draft or close to it. smith will be ok i think. i havent seen him play a lot, but when you have that much talent around you, its hard to suck. he does throw a nice deep ball tho
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i'm a falcons fan, and i can honestly say i'm disappointed they kept vick instead of mora
i think they should have traded him for as much as they could possibly get, draft a first round receiver if they couldn't get one in the trade, and draft some frigan durable defense with the rest
start matt Schaub, and even when dunn leaves, jerious norwood is playing pretty decently so there should still be a rush threat
i used to like vick, but being the last few years we finished without a winning record, measures must be taken
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Michael Vick is overrated
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Osaka27149 Posts
On January 04 2007 14:05 Yogurt wrote:
i'm a falcons fan...
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i used to like vick, but being the last few years we finished without a winning record, measures must be taken
Yeah you must be a super fan, seeing as they were 8-8 last year, and 11-5 the year before. Keep waving that flag.
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On January 04 2007 15:50 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2007 14:05 Yogurt wrote:
i'm a falcons fan...
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i used to like vick, but being the last few years we finished without a winning record, measures must be taken
Yeah you must be a super fan, seeing as they were 8-8 last year, and 11-5 the year before. Keep waving that flag.
ha
8-8 isnt winning, its even, and i've only seriously been watching football since last year
w/e though, i still think they should trade vick
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On January 04 2007 12:57 KOFgokuon wrote:
He's fine as a college quarterback. But look how he (and admittedly, the whole team) performed every time they played someone that was good. michigan? usc? lsu? not good. They had a good win against penn state, and a really close game against ucla that they barely won. I just don't think he'll perform that well in the pros, especially considering the teams that have the top 5 picks.
notre dame just sucks its not really his fault
they have no defense so the offense tries to force things
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On January 04 2007 13:17 j0ehoe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2007 12:57 KOFgokuon wrote:
He's fine as a college quarterback. But look how he (and admittedly, the whole team) performed every time they played someone that was good. michigan? usc? lsu? not good. They had a good win against penn state, and a really close game against ucla that they barely won. I just don't think he'll perform that well in the pros, especially considering the teams that have the top 5 picks. i think hes overhyped, but hell be good eventually. awesome qb's dont throw ones like the one he threw (in the 3rd i think?) where he was near getting sacked, ran backwards, threw off his left foot to a stationary wr, and got his pass jumped. give him 3 years, hell be best in this draft or close to it. smith will be ok i think. i havent seen him play a lot, but when you have that much talent around you, its hard to suck. he does throw a nice deep ball tho
I can count about every awesome QB that has ever played that has made that same sort of throw. You're trying to make everything out of nothing, and you make bad plays. It happens, and every great QB that has ever played has made those kinds of throws.
Agreed with Sadist as far as ND goes. Same problem they've had for a while now.
On January 04 2007 18:57 Yogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2007 15:50 Manifesto7 wrote:On January 04 2007 14:05 Yogurt wrote:
i'm a falcons fan...
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i used to like vick, but being the last few years we finished without a winning record, measures must be taken
Yeah you must be a super fan, seeing as they were 8-8 last year, and 11-5 the year before. Keep waving that flag. ha 8-8 isnt winning, its even, and i've only seriously been watching football since last year w/e though, i still think they should trade vick
8-8 isn't losing, either. And 11-5 knocking on the door of the Super Bowl (NFC Championship) is not losing either. This is their only losing season in the past three, and they had injuries up the ass on defense.
On January 04 2007 11:07 nemY wrote:
The Thing is weren't the Falcons even worse without Vick? Personally I feel more sorry for the Dolphins who will have Culpepper or Harrington at QB. No wonder Jason Taylor is considering retirement... if i was Zac Thomas i'd be considering the same thing :/
They were worse for a couple of years, but they had problems all over the team, not just at QB. Three years before he was drafted they made the Super Bowl, though, so they were like a lot of good teams full of veterans... they fell apart when all their old guys retired.
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On January 04 2007 10:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 19:01 KOFgokuon wrote:
You should be happy, you won't be obligated to draft and overpay brady quinn Brady Quinn is going to be a damn good QB in the pros. I pray that he's not drafted by the Raiders or the Lions. Not like Matt Millen would ever draft a good player, though.
not true, they've taken a couple texas players -> good =]
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On January 04 2007 23:50 tiffany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2007 10:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 03 2007 19:01 KOFgokuon wrote:
You should be happy, you won't be obligated to draft and overpay brady quinn Brady Quinn is going to be a damn good QB in the pros. I pray that he's not drafted by the Raiders or the Lions. Not like Matt Millen would ever draft a good player, though. not true, they've taken a couple texas players -> good =]
Most of their players have been busts that they've drafted, but I used the wrong wording. What I meant to say was, "Not like that guy's ever drafted anyone they needed."
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