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This Saturday, February 14th will signal the start of the LAN segments of ESL One Katowice, the year's first Valve-sponsored $250,000 tournament. For the first time ever, a major tournament in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive will feature an offline qualifier to determine the final eight teams to advance to the main event.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GI4mVY6.png) The venue will be the Angelo Hotel in Katowice, Poland.16 teams will face off for the opportunity to battle the Legends in March for their share of the prize pool, and half will be sent home with only hopes for the next major accompanying them. Seven of the teams were invited, with the other nine having to claw their way through a series of online qualifiers to secure their ticket to Katowice. One extra spot was up for grabs as  Epsilon was disqualified following the bans of three of their players due to match fixing, and a second qualifier spot was handed over as a consequence of  The_WinneR's bans. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/whEV4FU.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zT0mNxM.png) The standard Valve map pool will be used. With Cobblestone recently receiving massive changes, it will be interesting to see if the map ends up being played at all.
The qualifier will be conducted under a double-elimination best-of-one format, with each group concluding with two decider matches to determine the final two to advance. The first two teams to notch two wins will proceed to the main event, while the four teams with only one loss will be the ones facing off in the decider matches. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IUUyM8R.png) Group A: Titan  LGB eSports  Team Liquid  Gamers2 Counter Logic Gaming  Flipsid3 Tactics Copenhagen Wolves  PiTER-ONLINE Group B: Cloud9  Team Dignitas  3DMAX  KaBuM.TD mousesports  Vox Eminor ESC Gaming INSHOCK ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yfo5H7q.png) Group A![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bq5Qj0e.png) Group A can be considered the Group of Death, with only one real favorite and one apparent underdog. Titan will be primed to top the group after back-to-back top-two performances at ASUS ROG and IOS Pantamera, but the volatile nature of best of ones may pave the way for an upset as on their heels will be a string of Tier 2 teams capable of making a splash. PiTER-ONLINE is the lone dark horse after qualifying through an eight-team CIS qualifier that saw Flipsid3 knocked out after their first match. According to our staff, LGB is also looking like a great contender to advance.
The other staff favorites are Gamers2 and, of course, Team Liquid, but Flipsid3 is more than capable of clinching an early spot even with their star AWPer on the sidelines. Counter Logic Gaming, a team with extremely high highs and low lows, could easily find themselves in the main event as well. The most surprising observation of this group's predictions is the apparent lack of American patriotism however, with only one person having both Liquid and CLG advancing. Bless you, LMP.
Group B![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lreciZl.png) The two heavy favorites to make it out of Group B are Cloud9 and Dignitas. Both teams have players with a breadth of experience on the big stage and are the frontrunners to challenge the Legends once again. Following suit is the Finnish squad of 3DMAX who recently displayed a valiant performance at ASUS ROG in front of their home crowd. Their star player, Aleksi "allu" Jalli, will be looking to put his stamp on the world, and to do that he will first have to lead his team to the main event.
KaBuM, after impressive showings on Mirage against Cloud9 and Fnatic, will go into the qualifier slightly handicapped as their opponents are certain to ban the map from play. After bootcamping in Colorado following the conclusion of Clutch Con, the Brazilians may have honed their strategies on other maps and will be looking to take the last spot over mousesports and ESC Gaming. The most interesting team of this group may be the Australians, however, as they have shown small sparks before in the majors and the opportunity to see them play is rare for international fans. INSHOCK, after qualifying through the Polish regional qualifier, will be the underdog in a similar fashion to PiTER-ONLINE, but the team shows a better chance of advancing with a less difficult group and the experienced players Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski and Michał "MICHU" Müller at the helm. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xTpvxAC.png)
| Time | Saturday (Group A) | Sunday (Group B) |
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| 10:00 GMT (+00:00) | Titan vs PiTER & Gamers2 vs CLG | Cloud9 vs INSHOCK & KaBuM.TD vs Mouz |
| ~11:30 GMT (+00:00) | Winners Match 1 | Winners Match 1 |
| ~12:45 GMT (+00:00) | Elimination Match 1 | Elimination Match 1 |
| ~14:00 GMT (+00:00) | LGB eSports vs CPH Wolves | 3DMAX vs Vox Eminor |
| ~15:30 GMT (+00:00) | Liquid vs Flipsid3 | Dignitas vs ESC Gaming |
| ~16:45 GMT (+00:00) | Winners Match 2 & Elimination Match 2 | Winners Match 2 & Elimination Match 2 |
| ~18:15 GMT (+00:00) | Decider Match 1 | Decider Match 1 |
| ~19:30 GMT (+00:00) | Decider Match 2 | Decider Match 2 |
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wFCARKf.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/B7QcmHK.png) + Show Spoiler [Group A] + CLG 16 ( Cache ) 14 Gamers2 Titan 28 ( Cache ) 24 PITER CLG 16 ( Dust2 ) 14 Titan Gamers2 17 ( Mirage ) 19 PITER LGB 16 ( Inferno ) 8 CPH Wolves Team Liquid 14 ( Mirage ) 16 Flipsid3 LGB 16 ( Inferno ) 11 Flipsid3 Team Liquid 10 ( Mirage ) 16 CPH Wolves PiTER 3 ( Mirage ) 16 Flipsid3 Titan 16 ( Nuke ) 4 CPH Wolves Cloud9 16 ( Inferno ) 2 INSHOCK KaBuM.TD 10 ( Dust2 ) 16 Mousesports Cloud9 16 ( Dust2 ) 14 Mousesports INSHOCK 11 ( Nuke ) 16 KaBuM.TD 3DMAX 11 ( Mirage ) 16 Vox Eminor Dignitas 16 ( Mirage ) 11 ESC Vox Eminor 16 ( Inferno ) 13 Dignitas 3DMAX 16 ( Mirage ) 8 ESC KaBuM.TD 16 ( Inferno ) 3 Dignitas Mousesports 8 ( Cache ) 16 3DMAX
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nice write up guys!
Don't be too upset that flipsid3 will ruin your predictions  
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Lets pray Cobble doesn't get played, would suck for a team to get knocked out because of Cobble.
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Wut? no one voted for f3?
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this preview was incredibly sexy
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On February 13 2015 23:01 butch wrote:
writers not aware that flipside is dAT? :|
flipsid3 doesn't have s1mple, which was the major factor in my predictions of them not advancing. Sure DavCost is good, but he's not s1mple
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the TL bias/hope is pretty strong too :D
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At least you guys agree with me that Flipsid3 has a great chance of advancing. Silly staffers.
WorldEdit seems to have done a great job being the primary AWPer.
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Liquid might be the second best team in group A.
C9 not having to play Dig in their side of the group means they probably get out 2-0
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I'd personally rank Liquid around forth/fifth, behind Titan, Flipsid3, CPH/LGB.
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That potential 4th, is what gives me hope for some sweet sweet TL stickers!
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Well...no NIP so im going to root for Titan and against Dignitas! ^^
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I believe in ESC Gaming! Get that top 4 boys!
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So excited for this.
Gogo Titan.
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3 day weekend means I stay up and watch it!
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It's starting!! can't wait these qualifiers are going to be sick
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Titan vs Piter without any english stream 
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CLG is a good team if they don't go on tilt like they almost went from 15-7 to 15-14
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wow piter going to upset right off the bat?
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titan vs piter goes to OT!
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kennyS is like the 430 of CSGO
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alright 17-17. Titan takes first round on CT half
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omg waterfallz with a triple kill, piter 18-17
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huge round from waterfallz
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ahahahahah, that was way too close for comfort. 2nd OT Hype!
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Titan vs Piter into double OT.
Holy shit my heart's in my mouth
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maniac with a nice hold to essentially force 2OT
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i dno how teams dont put molotovs in that corner when they execute A push, surely they had money on OT after winning previous round
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waterfalls just playing out of his mind. That was pretty silly for rpk to not shoot at the Ts coming into B
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waterfallz a monster in OT
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That pop flash by kennyS <3
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HOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOHOOOOO
MANIAC SAVED TITAN'S CHANCES
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40 bomb for kenny in 40 rounds lol
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apex derped but the rest of Titan bring it back, 20-20
this game is nuts
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA
that fadeaway nade from KennyS
TRIPLE OT BOYS
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anyone know the GOTV for the Titan Piter game?
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Triple overtime lol.
I can't decide whether Titan are playing really bad or PITER are playing really good.
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On February 14 2015 20:53 pyro19 wrote:
Triple overtime lol.
I can't decide whether Titan are playing really bad or PITER are playing really good.
Lurppis's opinion:
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Am I seeing it happen? Piter getting a clean 3-0 CT half?
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I used to defend Titan and ex6tenz but this really is KennyS + 4.
No team should have 1 player carry them THAT hard.
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Piter on the verge of upsetting
Good god KennyS please get a better team already
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Titan need to win all 3 CT rounds to force 4th OT.
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Lets go Piter!!! I want to see that upset!! my predictions be damned!
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alright, that was a really clean round by titan, losing only 1 rifle
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x6 Rocking that auto sniper last round
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What the hell is happening quadruple OT
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Quadruple OT in just the first matches, i don't believe what I'm seeing!
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jesus, just let them have a draw already
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There literally are no words to describe KennyS right now.
Jumps into site and gets a huge 2k with pistol.
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now it's up to Piter to win 3 rounds in a row for 5th OT.
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KennyS with a casual 50 bomb.
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I think that's it - but I'm not complaining if it does go 5th OT.
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KennyS right now
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... okay. Looks like Liquid got their work cut out for them!
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Titan's experience brought them through in the end.
KennyS should visit a chiropractor right now
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the 2nd best fragger on the server had 39 frags.
Kenny had 54.
What.
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Yeah, the rest of Titan kinda looked like KennyS's henchmen.
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Also Maniac had the 2nd most frags on Titan.
Now only waiting for Apex to become even a tiny bit more consistent and Titan would be a sick team.
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Towards the end of the match, Rpk himself was playing better so it might have been due to the fact that they weren't warmed up yet, but the inconsistency from Titan's players is really holding them up
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such an interesting match, Perfect example of how volatile a bo1 can be in CSGO.
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Goddamnit the RU stream made me open up Spotify to listen to The Black Parade
and now Arctic Monkeys, 10/10 playlist ceh9
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BO1's are kinda stupid anyways. Even CLG beat LDLC on Dust2 at Aspen , doesn't mean that Happy's a shit IGL and Smithzz is a shit player.
Thank god I don't have to visit Reddit and hltv anymore.
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Thankfully for Titan they have the most consistently great awper on their team.
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Im liking these random intel commericals. Now Taz was in one right now
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alright boys, CLG vs Titan coming up!
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CLG vs Titan let's go.
Do we see the beastly Apex in this game or the bottom fragging Apex , How do CLG stop KennyS , can CLG string T sides against Titan?
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Titan (Dust2) CLG
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alright so u pick d2 vs kenny?
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On February 14 2015 21:34 teddyoojo wrote:
alright so u pick d2 vs kenny?
Ptr probably thinking he can out awp KennyS. This pick ban favors titan IMO.
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On February 14 2015 21:34 amazingxkcd wrote:Ptr probably thinking he can out awp KennyS. This pick ban favors titan IMO.
I'd be confident on d2 too if I was ptr after that game vs ex-LDLC
ptr eats baguettes for breakfast
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Hazed is also a sick player on D2 if you watch CLG regularly. Apex is good on D2 too. Titan also has an extremely weak B site setup on D2 which CLG may look to exploit.
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alright CLG wins knife, they should be taking CT side
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Ptr gifts Titan pistol round by dying out mid :/
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The story of CS:GO: Why worry about pistols if you can just win with pistols the next round?
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On February 14 2015 22:02 amazingxkcd wrote:
The story of CS:GO: Why worry about pistols if you can just win with pistols the next round?
I know what you mean... the last couple of tournaments I watched it almost got to a point where you imagined teams saying "oh crap, they're on pistols now. We're doomed!"
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that was real sloppy from maniac
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Titan finally wins a gun round by doing #justsilverthings with the cat rush
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wow i didnt expect this.
Titan pls ;_;
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USA USA USA
CLG tho holy shit
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what are you doing Kenny? ;_;
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This is what happens when KennyS doesn't carry. Apex challenges EVERYTHING , this is kinda ridiculous
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If Titan makes the comeback, I'm gonna go craaazyy. Let's go Titan!
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well on the other hand, CLG can't close the game (this is looking like their game against Gamers2 all over again)
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rofl CLG the 16-14 kings?
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Aaaaah Titan, so fucking close to forcing overtime. ;_____________;
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOO this is so harsh.
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THERE WE GO
16-14GUIDES FINALLY DID IT
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Kenny dying early made all the difference in that last round
Step up your game apex, sigh
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wow titan not participating to iem katowice :/
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jezus christ that was tense, almost made the comeback
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On February 14 2015 22:40 Makro wrote:
wow titan not participating to iem katowice :/
They're not out yet. T_T Still have a chance.
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On February 14 2015 22:40 Makro wrote:
wow titan not participating to iem katowice :/
Wait they still have a chance right?
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On February 14 2015 22:40 Makro wrote:
wow titan not participating to iem katowice :/
Chill man, they're just down in the losers bracket. They still have a shot.
Big props to CLG for going through with a 2-0 record. Did not expect that!
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On February 14 2015 22:41 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 22:40 Makro wrote:
wow titan not participating to iem katowice :/ They're not out yet. T_T Still have a chance against Piter/G2.
i wasn't aware of that
edit : ok i didn't know about the lb
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yeah its GSL style groups. Titan will play in the final match of the group
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Apex really really needs to step up his game. Can't see him being on Titan after Katowice with his current form.
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I think Titan's last chance is against TL/Flipside3/CPH/LGB, right? Or is it against Piter/G2?
Ok, Kniferound says Piter/G2, but not sure.
E: ESL's site also says Piter/G2 so yep, I think they have a good chance. 
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Im already wrong in my staff prediction but I'm proud of the CLG boys
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rofl ptr gettin denied on the handshake, but good game guys :D
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Sigh... Now ESL changed their brackets so Titan's deciding game will be against TL/FLipsid3/LGB/CPH, not against Piter/G2.
Still think they can do it obviously.
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Im hoping the decider matches are at least a best of 3.
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And now the caster said that the winner of this match plays against Titan in the decider. Goddamnit ESL, which is it?
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That needs to happen, just for lolz.
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omg, hoocher please just plant it
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As much as i find it funny i think thats incredibly rude and disrespectful to their current teammate maikelele.
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where i can find the schedule?
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On February 14 2015 23:46 pedrlz wrote:
where i can find the schedule?
in the OP
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that was a super close pistol round for piter
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On February 14 2015 23:46 amazingxkcd wrote:in the OP
I didn't realized that was for saturday and sunday sorry :~
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G2 vs Piter, very tense game. It's 13-12 on mirage with with the latter on CT.
update1: 14-13, after a rush into A by the T's
update2: 15-13, after a rush into B by the T's
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AAHAHAHAHAH WAYLANDER FALLING TO HIS DEATH
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Wow, such a close game. Overtime.
All of the games today have been very close, a great tournament so far.
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On February 14 2015 23:37 Capped wrote:
As much as i find it funny i think thats incredibly rude and disrespectful to their current teammate maikelele.
According to Maikeleles twitter he ain't no current team mate... :/
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Double auto's seem to have broken G2's bank. I hate to say it, but G2 fucking threw the game, 2 rounds T-side in OT, couldn't get one round on CT.
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that was so funny :D nice intense game
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anyone know the name of the songs or the playlist these guys are playing, it's very good
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Why does the OP use UTC time while the main TL times are EST, CET, KST?
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Anyone know if Liquid vs Flip is being streamed anywhere?
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On February 15 2015 01:17 Wunder wrote:
Anyone know if Liquid vs Flip is being streamed anywhere?
CSGOlounge has it being played in 40 minutes
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why did LGB delay that long?
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On February 15 2015 01:19 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 01:17 Wunder wrote:
Anyone know if Liquid vs Flip is being streamed anywhere? CSGOlounge has it being played in 40 minutes
Oops, thought they were happening at the same time. Thanks!
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aha, Zeves just charging up like a boss
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aGAIN aGAIN aGAIN... Can't stop focusing on it haha.
TL should be next on stream if I'm not mistaken. Here goes nothing!
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Any info on TL team? Dont know really anything about them.
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former denial + adren afaik
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it's Denial core + adren and nitro (ex-ibp players). Quite a legit team (or so my csgolounge bet tells me)
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TL has a solid chance I think. The guy replacing s1mple (DavCost) is the big X factor for me, I have no idea how good he is.
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So the format is something like the GSL? One thing I'm not sure about though. Does Titan play vs PiTER or vs some other 1 win 1 loss team?
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Liquid hype! Gogogogo TL!
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Im quite happy with the Mirage pick. Let's go liquid!
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On February 15 2015 02:10 amazingxkcd wrote:
Im quite happy with the Mirage pick. Let's go liquid!
They were pretty solid (Heh) on Nuke the last time i saw them play that map
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Why TL players not using TL mousepad?
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Fucking Daps
Messing up even a simple smoke...
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Lets get LIQUID!! Flipsid3 might be an easier match now that s1mple isn't there.
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That round went okay for Liquid despite that awful smoke
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FUGLY!! 3 juan deages?!?!
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Adren wtf was that
What the hell is your R key for
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Flipsid3 running away with this :/
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Liquid going full silver
Who's their IGL?
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2nd half pistols! pretty crucial
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Cleanest pistol round from Liquid, Daps going big with a 3k!
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b1ad3's team have usually had some really strong site executes on T side, 5 rounds on T is very little margin of error
winning a pistol and not losing a single one on this 2nd round is good start though
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Someone bought a round of coffee for TL apparently! Glad to see it.
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flipsid3 using smokes soooo well.
its shame that they are bad at positioning after planting the bomb.
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Very clutch by naf-fly and adren.
But letting flipsid3 getting bomb plants is a problem
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What a fail from WorldEdit ahah
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Lololololol adreN. Each frag, or even nofrag, is a round win and clutch XD He was so lucky on that defuse though !!!
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stop being fanboy lol
flipsid3 really being unlucky, they wouldve closed the game with little luck.
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thats as close as a defuse gets lol.
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On February 15 2015 02:58 Mensol wrote:
stop being fanboy lol
flipsid3 really being unlucky, they wouldve closed the game with little luck.
sorry about your skins
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On February 15 2015 02:59 RBS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 02:58 Mensol wrote:
stop being fanboy lol
flipsid3 really being unlucky, they wouldve closed the game with little luck. sorry about your skins
I dont even have skins.
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On February 15 2015 02:58 Mensol wrote:
stop being fanboy lol
flipsid3 really being unlucky, they wouldve closed the game with little luck.
Well to be honest, it has less to do with being unlucky than bad post plant play.
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if that guy says AGAIYYYYYYYYYYYYYN one more fucking time
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These TL retakes are so nice.
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2 more wins till CSGOLounge crashes
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not sure why fugly repeeked there with awp..just should have held angle..
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13-14 Liquid. Crucial buy round now
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TL shouldnt even go fight the bomb plant when they had 4 pistols and the awp.
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CAN THEY PLEASE STOP going to player reactions when the round isn't over yet and there are crucial guns to be saved.
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On February 15 2015 02:58 Mensol wrote:
stop being fanboy lol
flipsid3 really being unlucky, they wouldve closed the game with little luck.
Told you  Flipsid3 were the better side.
This is what happens when T plants the bomb and kill at least 3 CT per round.
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On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened
Flipsid3 got an awp and rest is history.
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On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened
better team won
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hmm... liquid has a long way to go. I hope Nazgul&co has some patience with them.
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On February 15 2015 03:12 udgnim wrote:better team won
pretty much honestly. Most gunrounds they were holding on with the skin of their teeth. But there are positives for liquid, there is definitely raw ability.
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On February 15 2015 03:13 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:12 udgnim wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened better team won pretty much honestly. Most gunrounds they were holding on with the skin of their teeth, but positives for liquid. There is definitely raw ability.
they lost to a tier2 european team with a standin; it's hard to take positives from it
not saying they don't have the potential nor the ability, but they aren't showing it right now
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The better team with the better strategy won. Adren kept Liquid in the game with clutch after clutch and it made the game seem much more close.
Liquid setups are wank but they still showed promise.
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On February 15 2015 03:15 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:13 Ysellian wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 udgnim wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened better team won pretty much honestly. Most gunrounds they were holding on with the skin of their teeth, but positives for liquid. There is definitely raw ability. they lost to a tier2 european team with a standin; it's hard to take positives from it not saying they don't have the potential nor the ability, but they aren't showing it right now
Well, liquid themselves are a tier2 NA team, and we all know that the european level is much higher.
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i feel liquid's CT setup was too rigid so as more rounds were played flipsid3 kept getting better and better grasp of how liquid's CT setup works, NAF for example was behind the ticket booth in A basically every round when there are so many different ways to hold A. against AWP's playing that spot with rifle is really damn risky
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I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this.
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On February 15 2015 03:15 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:13 Ysellian wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 udgnim wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened better team won pretty much honestly. Most gunrounds they were holding on with the skin of their teeth, but positives for liquid. There is definitely raw ability. they lost to a tier2 european team with a standin; it's hard to take positives from it not saying they don't have the potential nor the ability, but they aren't showing it right now
Tier 2 european team doesn't mean much. So you can only lose to fnatic, nip, VP, nV or else you suck?
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Once again daps shows very underwhelming in-game leading. :| Liquid shoulda had that.
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On February 15 2015 03:15 TAMinator wrote:
daps sort of let them down this game
When doesn't he? Has he ever performed against any Euro teams? Terrible reaction time that has no place in top-level csgo and his IGL ability doesn't make up for it. Please, liquid, improve this roster. So much potential on this team that isn't being realized because it has to make up for his slack.
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On February 15 2015 03:17 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:15 nkr wrote:On February 15 2015 03:13 Ysellian wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 udgnim wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened better team won pretty much honestly. Most gunrounds they were holding on with the skin of their teeth, but positives for liquid. There is definitely raw ability. they lost to a tier2 european team with a standin; it's hard to take positives from it not saying they don't have the potential nor the ability, but they aren't showing it right now Tier 2 european team doesn't mean much. So you can only lose to fnatic, nip, VP, nV or else you suck?
Pretty much. If you can't beat those 4 teams you mentioned and THEN you can't even beat X-random euroteam either, you will never win anything major let alone place top 5 or top 8 and then whats the point?
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On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this.
You act like a month is a long time... That's nothing.
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On February 15 2015 03:21 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:17 DEN1ED wrote:On February 15 2015 03:15 nkr wrote:On February 15 2015 03:13 Ysellian wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 udgnim wrote:On February 15 2015 03:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Wut happened better team won pretty much honestly. Most gunrounds they were holding on with the skin of their teeth, but positives for liquid. There is definitely raw ability. they lost to a tier2 european team with a standin; it's hard to take positives from it not saying they don't have the potential nor the ability, but they aren't showing it right now Tier 2 european team doesn't mean much. So you can only lose to fnatic, nip, VP, nV or else you suck? Pretty much. If you can't beat those 4 teams you mentioned and THEN you can't even beat X-random euroteam either, you will never win anything major let alone place top 5 or top 8 and then whats the point?
The point is to keep playing, keep getting experience, and keep getting better. Are you serious? By your logic everyone but the top 4-6 teams should just quit. WTF?
People are so impatient.
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On February 15 2015 03:22 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. You act like a month is a long time... That's nothing.
This isn't starcraft 2. You either have a competitive team or you don't. Liquid doesn't. You hinder the improvement of your top players when they are stuck with someone who doesn't perform on their level.
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On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this.
Kneejerking at it's finest. It was bad enough having you complain all the time about the Dota 2 team and now the CSGO team too?
An NA team that's formed 2 months ago with youngsters as a core losing to a EU team isn't that big a deal. If you wanted instant success , go support Fnatic or Envy.
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On February 15 2015 03:24 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:22 DEN1ED wrote:On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. You act like a month is a long time... That's nothing. This isn't starcraft 2. You either have a competitive team or you don't. Liquid doesn't. You hinder the improvement of your top players when they are stuck with someone who doesn't perform on their level.
Ok, but even if they added say hiko over daps they still won't beat nV so by your logic what's the point?
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On February 15 2015 03:25 pyro19 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. Kneejerking at it's finest. It was bad enough having you complain all the time about the Dota 2 team and now the CSGO team too? An NA team that's formed 2 months ago with youngsters as a core losing to a EU team isn't that big a deal. If you wanted instant success , go support Fnatic or Envy.
LOL this guy also complains about every play on liquidhearth when there is tournaments haha
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On February 15 2015 03:24 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:22 DEN1ED wrote:On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. You act like a month is a long time... That's nothing. This isn't starcraft 2. You either have a competitive team or you don't. Liquid doesn't. You hinder the improvement of your top players when they are stuck with someone who doesn't perform on their level.
If you really think a month is enough to make a recently formed NA team be on par with EU teams , you don't really follow CS that much.
Also Flipside are a good team with CS legends like Markeloff and upcoming talent like Worldedit and Simple (who isn't even here) and they practice with other european teams all the time.
Seriously , People want Liquid to be some NA all star powerhouse that starts trickshotting Fnatic on the way to Majors within a month of them forming.The sooner people realize that isn't gonna happen the better.
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On February 15 2015 03:26 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:24 johnbongham wrote:On February 15 2015 03:22 DEN1ED wrote:On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. You act like a month is a long time... That's nothing. This isn't starcraft 2. You either have a competitive team or you don't. Liquid doesn't. You hinder the improvement of your top players when they are stuck with someone who doesn't perform on their level. Ok, but even if they added say hiko over daps they still won't beat nV so by your logic what's the point?
If they added Hiko over daps they beat flipside easily and possibly qualify for a major thus earning even more experience for their better players and improving at a faster pace. This is CS, sometimes you just know when a player isn't gonna cut it at the top-level. Why is this so hard to understand. There is literally nothing about daps' play that leads me to believe it will improve. I feel like you aren't even watching the same game as me.
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Liquid is probably not going to mess with the line-up for some time.
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They aren't out of it yet.
Although I do agree that making the qualifier seems like a pretty tall order at this point. No matter. I'll continue to cheer for them today, and if they don't make it, I'll hope they can grow enough as a team so they'll have more success in the future.
This is Liquid, and I have always appreciated their approach of not immediately firing players who don't bring in the big results, but stick with them through their ups and downs. And this team is still so new the paint on the logo is barely dry.
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On February 15 2015 03:29 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:26 DEN1ED wrote:On February 15 2015 03:24 johnbongham wrote:On February 15 2015 03:22 DEN1ED wrote:On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. You act like a month is a long time... That's nothing. This isn't starcraft 2. You either have a competitive team or you don't. Liquid doesn't. You hinder the improvement of your top players when they are stuck with someone who doesn't perform on their level. Ok, but even if they added say hiko over daps they still won't beat nV so by your logic what's the point? If they added Hiko over daps they beat flipside easily and possibly qualify for a major thus earning even more experience for their better players and improving at a faster pace. This is CS, sometimes you just know when a player isn't gonna cut it at the top-level. Why is this so hard to understand. There is literally nothing about daps' play that leads me to believe it will improve. I feel like you aren't even watching the same game as me.
Sorry, apparently the rest of us aren't some sort of CS prophet like you.
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On February 15 2015 03:25 pyro19 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:17 ptbl wrote:
I said this during Aspen, but Nazgul really needs to make some roster changes. It's been what a month now? I see no improvements at all. It looks like the team relies on gun skill only. I see no strategy. It seems like they don't practice or scrimm at all. I think Liquid should stop sending them to tournaments and have the team solely focus on practicing. They were at Aspen, Clutchcon, and now this. Kneejerking at it's finest. It was bad enough having you complain all the time about the Dota 2 team and now the CSGO team too? An NA team that's formed 2 months ago with youngsters as a core losing to a EU team isn't that big a deal. If you wanted instant success , go support Fnatic or Envy.
Exactly, people underestimate how good tier 2 European teams can be because they see fnatic and nV just destroy these teams but those two are in a league of their own at the moment.
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Lose pistol against pistol
Win Pistol against Buy anyways.
CSGO is stupid sometimes.
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markeloff 1.6ing
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Ah, thanks for the heads up!
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Liquid should consider lu changes if they lose against CPH Wolves.
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On February 15 2015 04:24 Mensol wrote:
Liquid should consider lu changes if they lose against CPH Wolves.
A bit too early to consider roster changes, but there should definitely be warning bells ringing should that happen
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WTF is wrong with ESL? They keep changing to the player desk way too early, they even do it even whilst they are shooting at each other, thus we repeaedly miss the kills and the gun grabs.
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Looking good for TL. Only one round down on T-side Mirage, and CPH Wolves are on a save.
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...and as I say that, the mighty pistol proves its superiority again...
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6 T rounds is good enough, win the pistol and they're favored to do this
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so is adreN the IGL/caller in Liquid as it stands? if he is then i see no reason to keep daps
desi would be a really good player but i have a feeling desi wants to play with hiko and skadoodle whenever they decide to make their comeback
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TL lost the pistol round :/
hmmm...
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On February 15 2015 04:44 iv~nk~j wrote:
so is adreN the IGL/caller in Liquid as it stands?
Nah, daps is calling AFAIK.
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i dont understand the hate on daps, he seems on par with the rest aimwise
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Okay, TL needs roster changes.
You shouldnt get destroyed like this against C.Wolves, who is tier 3 eu team.
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Okay TL aren't really looking good right now.
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On February 15 2015 04:53 nkr wrote:
this is ugly :[
its not too early if you lose like this against Wolves
nitr0, adreN and FugLy very talented players, TL definitely should keep them.
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maybe they can still do this
miracle on mice was something the americans did, right?
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fucking hell this is CPH TL
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RIP Liquid in this tournament...
Ah well. Time to buckle down and practice for the boys in blue I guess!
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really disappointing 0-2 for Liquid
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Winner of this goes through? Same as the winner of next game (Titan vs Wolves if Im no mistaken)?
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Does that mean no TL stickers? =(
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On February 15 2015 05:14 lestye wrote:
Does that mean no TL stickers? =(
Yep, as far as I'm aware.
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Monstrous performance from worldedit and F3 deserved it!
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pretty sure world edits ear wax granted him wallhacks
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kennyS is going to demolish cph, doubt this will be very close ;p
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On February 15 2015 05:49 nkr wrote:
kennyS is going to demolish cph, doubt this will be very close ;p
we're not here to see cph put up a fight, we're here to see if kenny will go above 50 kills
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Oh my god that flick by Kenny.
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On February 15 2015 06:03 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 05:49 nkr wrote:
kennyS is going to demolish cph, doubt this will be very close ;p we're not here to see cph put up a fight, we're here to see if kenny will go above 50 kills
haha nice
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The rest of the Titan team finally woke up it looks like
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kenny gets his first AWP T side, closes it out
clean.
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That was fast. Gratz Titan.
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maniacs brain still on hyperdrive after that match
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On February 15 2015 06:49 TAMinator wrote:
maniacs brain still on hyperdrive after that match
really nice answers, you can feel it was really honest and he wanted to shout it
no generic bullshit
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On February 15 2015 04:54 Mensol wrote:its not too early if you lose like this against Wolves nitr0, adreN and FugLy very talented players, TL definitely should keep them.
Hasnt adreN been mediocre in the CS pro scene for forever now? Seems like he just doesnt have the talent/drive/whatever to be top-tier.
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He took a break from pro CS due to working a full time job. So he was never super serious into it until a few months ago.
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On February 15 2015 07:14 Nagisama wrote:
He took a break from pro CS due to working a full time job. So he was never super serious into it until a few months ago.
Adren competed at the top of the NA source scene for a while. He isn't going to improve that much if at all individually. I will never understand why they have daps calling when adren has proven to be one of the best IGL in NA.
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On February 15 2015 10:18 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:14 Nagisama wrote:
He took a break from pro CS due to working a full time job. So he was never super serious into it until a few months ago. Adren competed at the top of the NA source scene for a while. He isn't going to improve that much if at all individually. I will never understand why they have daps calling when adren has proven to be one of the best IGL in NA.
Because everyone on the team has already said they haven't even had a month of practice to create strats and see what works and what doesn't. Daps may well be the weak link on that team but they would much rather stick together for sometime and make roster changes if they really feel necessary. That is absolutely the correct way to go instead of switching players every single event and scapegoating players.
Also nice to see the Loud , screaming and vocal Ex6tenz back.
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Them needing more experience aside, let's get our facts straight. They've been together for much longer than a month. The only really new member is adreN and all he did was replace Shahzam as an AWPer. nitr0 was on the team before he had that short stint with iBP and after. daps hasn't shown any sparks of potential with his in-game leading and it really cost them against Flipsid3, even after some really nice individual effort got them a lot of rounds they shouldn't have won and got them close to winning.
Right now TL has a lot of potential with Fugly, nitr0 and adreN. If the team wants to take their game to the next level, it's gotta start with daps. NAF has been underperforming as well, but the bigger issue right now is in the strat calling department. These guys have all been playing the game long enough to know that their stagnant CT play against Flipsid3 was just atrocious. That loss was not even a matter of not having enough time to mesh -- just one right call in like five rounds could have won them the game.
Where daps is right now, it seems like it'd take way too long for him to get up to speed. As much as I hope he'll prove me wrong, I don't think it'll happen. If TL doesn't wanna change the roster, they should at least consider an igl change. daps can be a capable fragger when he doesn't have to worry about leading.
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On February 15 2015 16:51 Souma wrote:If TL doesn't wanna change the roster, they should at least consider an igl change. daps can be a capable fragger when he doesn't have to worry about leading.
I can see that happening. A couple of days ago a guy in adreNs chat asked him why he wasn't IGL on Liquid, to which he pretty much replied "because I'm the new guy and daps has been doing it and I don't want to impose". Not verbatim, but that was the gist of it.
We'll see.
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it seemed like kabum had decent strats, but their aim was really off, even when in advantageous situations.
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I missed C9 vs InShock, would you guys say C9 was good or was InShock just really bad?
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pretty good retake by mouz.
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lanJ with the clutch retake ^^
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these back2back counter clutches
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haha oh man funny to see gob b of all players to get a lucky jumpshot like that
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wow I feel like those 3on3 retakes should NEVER be possible on b.
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That headshot by shroud against ChrisJ from Pit.
Insane
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super scrappy and funny game between those 2
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ChrisJ is probably the definition of an onliner.Misses so many shots it's crazy he's regarded as a top awper , or maybe I've just ben spoiled by watching kenny too much.
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On February 15 2015 21:13 pyro19 wrote:
ChrisJ is probably the definition of an onliner.Misses so many shots it's crazy he's regarded as a top awper , or maybe I've just ben spoiled by watching kenny too much.
He's top fragging for his team man. You ARE spoiled by watching KennyS lol, nobody compares to KennyS
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not sure you saw shahzam's last round ^^
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He's playing good but he plays about 2 times better online , also he's missing too many shots for my liking. I really have been spoiled by KennyS :/
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grats C9, sad for mouz. I guess more american teams should also be good for viewership and the "NA vs EU" debate =p
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Mouz's rifles need to step up their game if they want to qualify. Zonixx holds B from the worst possible angles imagined by man against eco rushes.
ChrisJ carrying Mouz was good to see. Gob b frags like an IGL even though he isn't
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gob b is the igl and he topfragged vs kaboom
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That handshake troll haha
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Still think Mouz are in with a good chance to qualify, I haven't seen much of ESC or Vox though.
edit: just saw the fullstats. Jezus the rifflers were VERY disappointing, not a single one with a positive K/D ratio.
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Man I am always impressed by C9 at lan, as much as I love Shahzam I really miss Hiko's crazy clutches and general badassery.
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Inshock with the knife round, gogogogo.
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4 rounds on T side is pretty good already, pistol already a must win.
edit: WP kabum.
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TIL: australians are hipsters to the max
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Wow Allu , missing just about every shot
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SPUNJ shouting so much, he chose a clan with a fitting name ;D
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pistol rounds are more nerve racking in this game than gun rounds lmao.
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3dmax won more pistol rounds in CT than gun rounds.
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My god I hate bo1 so much.
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CLG *and* Cloud9 qualified yesterday!? What is this witchcraft?
NA HYPE
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On February 16 2015 00:10 Crownlol wrote:
CLG *and* Cloud9 qualified yesterday!? What is this witchcraft?
NA HYPE
NA hype would have been if TL qualified.
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On February 16 2015 00:21 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 00:10 Crownlol wrote:
CLG *and* Cloud9 qualified yesterday!? What is this witchcraft?
NA HYPE NA hype would have been if TL qualified.
TL not qualifying is why I QQ'd about Bo1.
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Im pretty sure ESC has a decent chance over Mouse, Kaboom and (i guess) Vox
i still would give Mouse the upperhand but... you never know
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That SK commercial was the greatest thing I've ever seen.
Well... intel commercial. Featuring SK.
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I hope 3dmax can recover. Would be great to cheer for finns at katowice
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On February 16 2015 00:25 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 00:21 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On February 16 2015 00:10 Crownlol wrote:
CLG *and* Cloud9 qualified yesterday!? What is this witchcraft?
NA HYPE NA hype would have been if TL qualified. TL not qualifying is why I QQ'd about Bo1.
Despite being a complete noob at CS...from what I saw, Bo1s were not the reason TL is out o.O
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On February 16 2015 01:34 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 00:25 Crownlol wrote:On February 16 2015 00:21 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On February 16 2015 00:10 Crownlol wrote:
CLG *and* Cloud9 qualified yesterday!? What is this witchcraft?
NA HYPE NA hype would have been if TL qualified. TL not qualifying is why I QQ'd about Bo1. Despite being a complete noob at CS...from what I saw, Bo1s were not the reason TL is out o.O
Definitely not lol. Bo3 I would still favour Mous over them to be honest. They are a new team, you can't expect them to start beating tier2 European teams. TL should be doing better against CPH though.
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Jesus, Vox Eminor looking so strong on T side right now
and they only play part time
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Vox Eminor are completely stomping Dignitas atm. Holy crap.
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Dignitas showing a comeback on T side. VxE should get this, they deserve it.
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On February 16 2015 02:10 KobraKay wrote:
Dignitas showing a comeback on T side. VxE should get this, they deserve it.
they're not deserving it so far with 0 rounds on CT side
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Heh. Inferno is apparently extremely T-sided all of a sudden.
Go figure.
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On February 16 2015 02:14 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 02:10 KobraKay wrote:
Dignitas showing a comeback on T side. VxE should get this, they deserve it. they're not deserving it so far with 0 rounds on CT side
It was mainly due to the great effort on T side but ok, Dignitas is also producing a good T side but it seems like Vox's defense being not on par due to aggression than stellar play from Dignitas. But again, I'm a complete noob in this game so this is just an uninformed opinion.
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YOOO DIDNT HE HEAR THE DEFUSE?
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VOX MAKES IT INTO THE MAJOR !!
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On February 16 2015 02:25 amazingxkcd wrote:
YOOO DIDNT HE HEAR THE DEFUSE?
he had 11 hp so he had to gamble it's fake (if we are talking about same round)
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KABUMMMMMMMMMMM! What an eco round!
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Kabum making quite clear who's boss.
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Kabum destroying Dignitas... didnt expect that
"No more chokerino" ROFL yeah right...
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Wow Dignitas. This is something I really didn't expect.
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Was expecting it to be closer, but with FeTiSh still not knowing how to play T side... I prefer this result, and hope it'll serve as a wake-up call, since it seems being kicked from the old Dignitas wasn't enough.
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On February 16 2015 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
was that the end?
one more decider I believe
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On February 16 2015 04:02 TAMinator wrote:one more decider I believe
mouz versus 3dmax
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LETS GO 3DMAX TORI FINLAND SUOMI!
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allu what in the world are you doing...
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Getting so close. Let's go 3DMax!
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Fuuuck yeah! Good shit 3DMax! SUOMI FINLAND PERKELE
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Good stuff. I am really happy about the results of the qualifier. Liquid didn't make it but I have no complaints about the teams who did make it.
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My boy shroud with a 51-19 score in 2 games. Holy shit.
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Groups are out - holy shit, look at group A.
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Group A
Natus Vincere
Fnatic
Vox Eminor
Flipsid3 Tactics
Group B
Team EnVyUs
PENTA Sports
LGB eSports
Titan
Group C
Ninjas in Pyjamas
Hellraisers
Counter Logic Gaming
Keyd Stars
Group D
Virtus Pro
TSM
Cloud9
3DMax
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On February 28 2015 03:20 Doublemint wrote:
group D should be the most interesting, others are rather predictable.
I agree that D is hardest to pick - 3Dmax has been looking strong lately, but shroud looked unbeatable in Cloud9's qualifier.
I have a feeling Cloud9 could take this one deep if they don't get stopped by Team Pasha or NiP.
EnVy is an easy lock for B, but the 2nd spot could easily go to any of those teams (especially if Titan resolves their woes of late).
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