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On October 30 2014 04:32 Quixotic_tv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 01:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is pretty sad to read. It's hard to really know what is going on. There are two sides to every story and from reading this it feels like more than ever the other side probably isn't going to see things the same way. Oh I am quite sure they have a different view on that. But treating a long year CEO like that, not saying goodbye in a nice way is something for people who broke the law or something. I don't know. I've experienced similar things on a smaller scale, people turning their back on you. I hope Mister Ohlen will stay in esports and that he can sort out everything. Best wishes to him and his family.
From the perspective of a human being, he was treated like an unwanted house guest.
From a business perspective, it sounds like his moving away from CEO wasn't as amicable as he makes it sound. If he was fighting it, they did the best thing, tear off the bandaid fast. No use in prolonging or pretending. Doesn't mean they made the right decision, but it's understandable why they chose to handle it that way.
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Does 70% of the shares give his dad like control of the company or anything?
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On October 30 2014 04:03 Beyond Magic wrote:
It's hard to believe he just gave the shares to safe keeping and the dad just refuses to give them back. When Ohlen bought dreamhack i wonder if his father loaned the money or is somehow financially connected to dreamhack.
Sounds too much of an coincidence that the company members and his dad turn against him at the same time.
Even if the dad would like to screw over the shares, he could still appoint him as a board of director than throw him out.
The interview mentioned that his Dad ended up with a 70% stake in the company. So he got at least 20% in addition to the 50% Robert gave him for 'safe keeping'. So it does seem likely his Dad was actually part of DH this entire time (or saw an opportunity to muscle in).
Personally, I think you're right and he loaned some money for the initial take-over and this all stems from a messy take-over in 2006 like KurtyD speculated.
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On October 30 2014 04:39 triforks wrote:
Does 70% of the shares give his dad like control of the company or anything?
Depends on their shareholder agreement? Whether it's ownership shares, or voting shares. Can get pretty convoluted with private companies. But most likely they have yearly shareholder meetings to (re)elect a board of directors. If he owns 70% of the companies voting shares he could pick the board of directors (CEO is a member of the board of directors for a company).
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Actually there are no reasons named for the why.
He describes the circumstances and the background
Then suddenly it happened. I mean it make sense when it was really a silent Coup d'état. But with this prehistory, I can't believe it. It is also very black&white. Definitely an article which favors Richard Lewis but it doesn't shed so much light on the case.
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As others before me have pointed out, no matter who you ask it seems the only constant is that Roberts father is a villain. This makes me really wanna hear his side of the story. After all, everyone involved should get an equal chance to explain themselves before people pass their judgement.
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Learning the lesson of never trusting anyone else with your money is always a hard one to learn. Especially when you learn it from your own family.
Best of luck to Robert, I've enjoyed what he has done to Dreamhack, and I'll be sure to never watch it again.
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All we need to know is, what could you do to cause your dad to wanna do this to you?
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On October 30 2014 04:46 triforks wrote:
All we need to know is, what could you do to cause your dad to wanna do this to you?
Devil's Advocate.
My son has become a lazy entitled cunt (excuse the verbage  ). He is responsible for the livelihoods of every person who works for him at Dream Hack. Every day he decides to dick around instead of doing his job, he is putting those livelihoods in jeopardy, what if he ruins the company? What will his employee's do to support their families? Do they live pay cheque to pay cheque? Will they be out on the street? What will he think of himself if he does that and then realizes what he's done? Will it destroy him? Will he hate himself after? I'm not going to stand by and watch my son piss away everything he's worked for, and hurt all these people doing it. He might not like it now, but it's the best thing for him in the long run. And if he never forgives me, so be it, I'm his father, it's my job to protect him, even from himself.
That's one possibility? Like so many fair minded people have mentioned in this thread, 2 sides.
It is fun to speculate though.
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Well in the posting he he said he gave 50% shares (all he had) to his father, who then had 70% so it seems like his father already had 20% before. Maybe he just thought nice, so now I can do whatever I want with the company. Whatever the reason in the end, he seemed to have been involved before all this "giving shares away" thing started.
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On October 30 2014 03:31 Otolia wrote:
"Technical, Legal Reasons" sounds a lot like a cover-up for illegal shit ...
Yeah I feel like until we have a clear explanation for this, I have trouble believe that he simply got screwed over by everyone for no apparent reason. There are very few technical or legal reasons I can think of that would require such a transfer without an official contract. I mean maybe it could be a simple as evading taxes, in which case his dad is a dick, but I still think this sounds incredibly shady...
Edit: Just saw majidaniel's post about 3 possibilities for the share transfer. Definitely need more clarity on the original transfer, would explain a lot about what is currently going on.
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On October 30 2014 04:53 KurtyD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 04:46 triforks wrote:
All we need to know is, what could you do to cause your dad to wanna do this to you? Devil's Advocate. My son has become a lazy entitled cunt (excuse the verbage ). He is responsible for the livelihoods of every person who works for him at Dream Hack. Every day he decides to dick around instead of doing his job, he is putting those livelihoods in jeopardy, what if he ruins the company? What will his employee's do to support their families? Do they live pay cheque to pay cheque? Will they be out on the street? What will he think of himself if he does that and then realizes what he's done? Will it destroy him? Will he hate himself after? I'm not going to stand by and watch my son piss away everything he's worked for, and hurt all these people doing it. He might not like it now, but it's the best thing for him in the long run. And if he never forgives me, so be it, I'm his father, it's my job to protect him, even from himself. That's one possibility? Like so many fair minded people have mentioned in this thread, 2 sides. It is fun to speculate though.
They are his shares and it's his right to do with them what he wants.
Being a father does not allow you to steal from your son
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Everyone's waiting patiently to see the new Dreamhack ceremony...
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On October 30 2014 05:27 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 04:53 KurtyD wrote:On October 30 2014 04:46 triforks wrote:
All we need to know is, what could you do to cause your dad to wanna do this to you? Devil's Advocate. My son has become a lazy entitled cunt (excuse the verbage ). He is responsible for the livelihoods of every person who works for him at Dream Hack. Every day he decides to dick around instead of doing his job, he is putting those livelihoods in jeopardy, what if he ruins the company? What will his employee's do to support their families? Do they live pay cheque to pay cheque? Will they be out on the street? What will he think of himself if he does that and then realizes what he's done? Will it destroy him? Will he hate himself after? I'm not going to stand by and watch my son piss away everything he's worked for, and hurt all these people doing it. He might not like it now, but it's the best thing for him in the long run. And if he never forgives me, so be it, I'm his father, it's my job to protect him, even from himself. That's one possibility? Like so many fair minded people have mentioned in this thread, 2 sides. It is fun to speculate though. They are his shares and it's his right to do with them what he wants. Being a father does not allow you to steal from your son
It's not stealing if the guy gave it to you three years ago :-/
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I find it very funny how people say "can't be true, because those ppl (his father, other dreamhack staff) wouldn't have a reason for doing things in such a way", but to me the reason is very very obvious and the most frequent and the most likely reason for such betrayals: Money. Nothing more, nothing less. If you think a father would never stab a knife in the back of his son just for money, you are not familiar enough with this culture. And actually i mean that literally. I believe most fathers would kill their son if the offer is high enough. How many times a day on this world you think people formely close to each other betray their beloved? Often enought for this stroy to be plausible...
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Giving away your shares? Wtf is that. The reason for giving them away doesn't make any sense at all either. What ever is happening right now at this moment, no matter how fucked up his father/DH/board/anyone is, it was Robert's decision to give the shares away, and now he is paying the price. Unbelievable.
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On October 30 2014 05:27 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 04:53 KurtyD wrote:On October 30 2014 04:46 triforks wrote:
All we need to know is, what could you do to cause your dad to wanna do this to you? Devil's Advocate. My son has become a lazy entitled cunt (excuse the verbage ). He is responsible for the livelihoods of every person who works for him at Dream Hack. Every day he decides to dick around instead of doing his job, he is putting those livelihoods in jeopardy, what if he ruins the company? What will his employee's do to support their families? Do they live pay cheque to pay cheque? Will they be out on the street? What will he think of himself if he does that and then realizes what he's done? Will it destroy him? Will he hate himself after? I'm not going to stand by and watch my son piss away everything he's worked for, and hurt all these people doing it. He might not like it now, but it's the best thing for him in the long run. And if he never forgives me, so be it, I'm his father, it's my job to protect him, even from himself. That's one possibility? Like so many fair minded people have mentioned in this thread, 2 sides. It is fun to speculate though. They are his shares and it's his right to do with them what he wants. Being a father does not allow you to steal from your son
We aren't talking about right and wrong. We are talking about why his Father might have done what he did.
But on the topic of right and wrong, it's hard to imagine that there is no scenario on this planet that would make his father believe he was doing the right thing for his son.
Right and wrong are too subjective. I believe there is a better than 50% chance that in this scenario, all parties believe they are doing the "right" thing.
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Really sad that his dad has no family values whatsoever. Idk what he does. He obviously has skill in Esports. Perhaps there are greener pastures in ESL or Blizzard or America. Him leaving would be a great shame.
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On October 30 2014 03:15 Apom wrote:
Everyone turns their back at him, and we are to believe that he's not to blame for anything ? The entire organization conspired against him for some unexplainable reason ? Come on. Eyes need to be opened, and errors admitted, before anything he says on the matter can be taken seriously.
Money is everything at least for some people.
In these situations you'll never get the whole story most likely.
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On October 30 2014 05:27 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 04:53 KurtyD wrote:On October 30 2014 04:46 triforks wrote:
All we need to know is, what could you do to cause your dad to wanna do this to you? Devil's Advocate. My son has become a lazy entitled cunt (excuse the verbage ). He is responsible for the livelihoods of every person who works for him at Dream Hack. Every day he decides to dick around instead of doing his job, he is putting those livelihoods in jeopardy, what if he ruins the company? What will his employee's do to support their families? Do they live pay cheque to pay cheque? Will they be out on the street? What will he think of himself if he does that and then realizes what he's done? Will it destroy him? Will he hate himself after? I'm not going to stand by and watch my son piss away everything he's worked for, and hurt all these people doing it. He might not like it now, but it's the best thing for him in the long run. And if he never forgives me, so be it, I'm his father, it's my job to protect him, even from himself. That's one possibility? Like so many fair minded people have mentioned in this thread, 2 sides. It is fun to speculate though. They are his shares and it's his right to do with them what he wants. Being a father does not allow you to steal from your son
Technically, they are not. He took a risk by signing his shares over to his father. His father is the legal and rightful owner of the shares. If there was some unwritten(aka, terrible plan) that he would return them upon request, that would be up to a court to decide if that agreement was binding. But no crime was committed here, ei theft.(as far as we know)
And I agree with KurtyD that it is a possibility and I don't agree with the idea that people "can do whatever they want with their stuff, regardless of who gets hurt".
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