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On October 30 2014 18:37 pretensile wrote:
There are too many logical leaps of faith and information holes in this story to place much credence in his account of the story. The crux of his tale lies in these declarations: a) Mr. Ohlen transfers the entirety of his holdings to his father... for reasons entirely undisclosed. b) His father refuses to return these shares to him... out of pure greed. c) The Dreamhack staff unilaterally withdraws their support of Mr. Ohlen... again, without reason.
I'm not condemning Mr. Ohlen by any means, but there is so much intentional withholding of vital details, and his telling is so one-sided and lacking in nuance, it's very difficult to attach a large amount of credibility to what he is saying. For most logical, rational people, accounts that are essentially extremely lopsided demonizations of another party should always ring some alarm bells.
I don't agree. So you're saying greed/money is not a reason at b)? It's the biggest reason for a lot of bad shit happening in the world. And c) the reason is probably be job security if the shareholder wants his way vs the guy who's getting fired.
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On October 30 2014 16:20 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 09:31 Torte de Lini wrote:On October 30 2014 09:23 aseq wrote:
Is there no DH (former) employee who can shed more light on the situation? Going by this interview it sounds like his father should never see his grandchildren again, but with all the employees siding with his dad, I think we should really know more about this before judging. I don't think Robert has children, no? 4 of them. And a wife
You made it sound like 5 kids to support.
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On October 30 2014 18:37 pretensile wrote:
There are too many logical leaps of faith and information holes in this story to place much credence in his account of the story. The crux of his tale lies in these declarations: a) Mr. Ohlen transfers the entirety of his holdings to his father... for reasons entirely undisclosed. b) His father refuses to return these shares to him... out of pure greed. c) The Dreamhack staff unilaterally withdraws their support of Mr. Ohlen... again, without reason.
I'm not condemning Mr. Ohlen by any means, but there is so much intentional withholding of vital details, and his telling is so one-sided and lacking in nuance, it's very difficult to attach a large amount of credibility to what he is saying. For most logical, rational people, accounts that are essentially extremely lopsided demonizations of another party should always ring some alarm bells.
There is a Swedish news article about the mess from 2010 when David Garpenståhl, the previous CEO, was ousted from the company. This article is 3 years old though, no idea how it turned out.
Short breakdown of the article:
In the article David Garpenståhl says he was ousted because of a difference between him and Robert Ohléns father, Bernt Ohlén over a stock market listing.
Dreamhack sued Garpenståhl for a transaction of 500.000 SEK to his account and Garpenståhl sued Bernt Ohlén for sellings Garpenståhls shares (50 %) for 1 krona.
The person that bought the shares for 1 krona sat on the board of both Dreamhack and the Parent company, Quantum Holding.
In the first instance of Swedish court it was ruled that this was wrong and the shares should be returned to Garpenståhl, but by this time a new issue of stocks had taken place leaving Garpenståhl with 6 % of the shares and Bernt Ohlén with the majority.
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I'm pretty sure Garpenståhl is laughing at this right now
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wow ohlen's dad. way to be a sad piece of shit.
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On October 30 2014 19:34 Arevall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 18:37 pretensile wrote:
There are too many logical leaps of faith and information holes in this story to place much credence in his account of the story. The crux of his tale lies in these declarations: a) Mr. Ohlen transfers the entirety of his holdings to his father... for reasons entirely undisclosed. b) His father refuses to return these shares to him... out of pure greed. c) The Dreamhack staff unilaterally withdraws their support of Mr. Ohlen... again, without reason.
I'm not condemning Mr. Ohlen by any means, but there is so much intentional withholding of vital details, and his telling is so one-sided and lacking in nuance, it's very difficult to attach a large amount of credibility to what he is saying. For most logical, rational people, accounts that are essentially extremely lopsided demonizations of another party should always ring some alarm bells. Dreamhack sued Garpenståhl for a transaction of 500.000 SEK to his account and Garpenståhl sued Bernt Ohlén for sellings Garpenståhls shares (50 %) for 1 krona.
Im confused, how can Bernt Ohlên sell shares owned by Garpenståhl?
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Thanks for the interview Richard. Unfortunate for just about everybody that this happened.
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On October 30 2014 11:29 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 11:04 igotmyown wrote:
I'm guessing dreamhack is worth millions, tens of millions, maybe more?
So his father better have some damn good reasons for withholding 50% of the shares, other than his opinion about his son. Maybe not legally, but morally he's basically stealing millions of dollars. Well but you also have to see the other side. Where did he get the money to buy 50% of DH in the first place? If his dad gave him the money for it, it's not as much as stealing as is getting it back. Not saying this is what happened and that I agree with the movement either way, just a thought. My father got the money to buy his/my house from his father, and he just gave him the money no strings attached, but it's in his right to ask for the money back.
I don't think Dreamhack was worth a lot when Robert Ohlén purchased it.
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Some interesting tidbits from the Article that might somewhat mitigate the circumstances. Along with the whole Garpenståhl story, the Ohlen family (i.e. the father) pushed in 5,1 Million Sek (~800 000 USD at the time). So the father has pushed in a lot of money to make the shares worth more.
Now I still think its a very weird thing for a father to do to his son, but I suppose there may be other explanations as well.
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On October 30 2014 18:37 pretensile wrote:
There are too many logical leaps of faith and information holes in this story to place much credence in his account of the story. The crux of his tale lies in these declarations: a) Mr. Ohlen transfers the entirety of his holdings to his father... for reasons entirely undisclosed. b) His father refuses to return these shares to him... out of pure greed. c) The Dreamhack staff unilaterally withdraws their support of Mr. Ohlen... again, without reason.
I'm not condemning Mr. Ohlen by any means, but there is so much intentional withholding of vital details, and his telling is so one-sided and lacking in nuance, it's very difficult to attach a large amount of credibility to what he is saying. For most logical, rational people, accounts that are essentially extremely lopsided demonizations of another party should always ring some alarm bells.
C really isn't that hard to understand. It's a power struggle between Robert Ohlen and his Dad. DH was caught in the middle and didn't resist the man with the power (ie - the guy with 70% shares and power to replace every member of the board at will apparently).
For people talking about the Dad doing this out of greed, another big reason could be ego. What father isn't critical of how their son does things? Maybe he wanted to be the guy in power and show off his own chops? Would be just as sad as if he did it for greed, but it's another age-old reason that tears families apart.
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On October 31 2014 02:45 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 18:37 pretensile wrote:
There are too many logical leaps of faith and information holes in this story to place much credence in his account of the story. The crux of his tale lies in these declarations: a) Mr. Ohlen transfers the entirety of his holdings to his father... for reasons entirely undisclosed. b) His father refuses to return these shares to him... out of pure greed. c) The Dreamhack staff unilaterally withdraws their support of Mr. Ohlen... again, without reason.
I'm not condemning Mr. Ohlen by any means, but there is so much intentional withholding of vital details, and his telling is so one-sided and lacking in nuance, it's very difficult to attach a large amount of credibility to what he is saying. For most logical, rational people, accounts that are essentially extremely lopsided demonizations of another party should always ring some alarm bells. C really isn't that hard to understand. It's a power struggle between Robert Ohlen and his Dad. DH was caught in the middle and didn't resist the man with the power (ie - the guy with 70% shares and power to replace every member of the board at will apparently). For people talking about the Dad doing this out of greed, another big reason could be ego. What father isn't critical of how their son does things? Maybe he wanted to be the guy in power and show off his own chops? Would be just as sad as if he did it for greed, but it's another age-old reason that tears families apart.
Robert was prolly doing illegal thigns and got found out by the senior. So better to jes kick him out rather than expose him. After all from all source, the senior is not even actively involved in management so for him to kick out robert, the staff must have found out something and reported it.
Also the age old reason for family feud is usually the younger conning the elder (shares money given yet no return) not the other round.
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Can someone clear up again what the fuzz about the 50% of the shares is in the first place? It sounds a little shady to begin with that Robert Ohlen presumably transferred 50% of the company to his father because he wanted to avoid paying out the guy they ousted themselves before.
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Robert is tyrone Lancaster. And his dad tywin just locked him up. Now Tyrone must go to mlg to save himself from the clutches of dreamhack.
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On October 31 2014 04:36 Nyxisto wrote:
Can someone clear up again what the fuzz about the 50% of the shares is in the first place? It sounds a little shady to begin with that Robert Ohlen presumably transferred 50% of the company to his father because he wanted to avoid paying out the guy they ousted themselves before.
My best guess since it was legal the company issued new shares. ie the court did require dh to return the shares however the company then issued new shares quickly to make the original shares to be a way smaller %. the senior reportedly pumped in 800,000 USD during that time which i assume to be for the new controlling shares. The senior prolly do not want to dump in money for nothing thus required 50% of the shares which might even be overvalue (this was during the europe financial crisis).
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On October 30 2014 01:07 kappadevin wrote:
Who knows really though? Maybe Dreamhack will actually get better now that he's been removed from the picture. Obviously Dreamhack had their reasons to get rid of him, and even if he felt that it was done unfairly, he still got five years to run the show at one of the biggest esports companies on the planet.
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That is pretty sad, but I am sure his father had his own reasons for what he did. Removing people from their job is hard, especially in the era of twitter. I'm sure the man will be fine, but not a way I would want to go out.
well sometimes, but sadly, greed alone is the reason. i wouldn't be surprised if his business partners/father just wanted more money and decided to shit all over him for it.
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Ohlen: Hey dad, can you watch my shares for a week?
Dad: Sure son! Just drop them off at the front door when they're ready.
Ohlen: You can't just drop shares off in front of a door, Dad. You need to take care of them and show them love and care. Can you do that for me? Can you, Dad?
Dad: Yes, yes, son, don't worry! They'll be fine when you get back.
THREE WEEKS LATER...
Ohlen: AUGGGGHHHHHHH!!! DAD, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH MY SHARES!?
Dad: Your friend David came by and said he'd pick them up for you.
Ohlen: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Grab the pitchforks! His dad's a piece of sh*t! Hang him by the balls!
I like to jump on the bandwagon to gain popularity on the internet, despite the fact that all sides of the story have yet to be released.
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I hope people will do something at DHW14 to show how bad this is, Robert made dreamhack to a major player in the Esport world and something me, as a Swede could be proud of, well, not anymore and I will not attend anymore DH events from now on, and will only watch streams if it is not DH themself.
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