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Robert Ohlen talks on DH, says "I was f*cked" - Page 2

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Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France656 Posts
October 29 2014 18:15 GMT
#21
Everyone turns their back at him, and we are to believe that he's not to blame for anything ? The entire organization conspired against him for some unexplainable reason ? Come on. Eyes need to be opened, and errors admitted, before anything he says on the matter can be taken seriously.
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
October 29 2014 18:16 GMT
#22
I mean if he "gave away" his shares to his dad and he didn't get it back, that's just screwed up.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 29 2014 18:17 GMT
#23
On October 30 2014 03:15 Apom wrote:
Everyone turns their back at him, and we are to believe that he's not to blame for anything ? The entire organization conspired against him for some unexplainable reason ? Come on. Eyes need to be opened, and errors admitted, before anything he says on the matter can be taken seriously.


He mentioned some faults, but I think he's downplaying it a bit.
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Paluth
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil61 Posts
October 29 2014 18:17 GMT
#24
I've sure his father had his reasons, but its kinda of hard to think of one good enough reason to do this. Robert bought the shares. It was his. He entrusted it with his father. His father betrayed him. What kinda father does that? Legally his father has the right to hold on to the shares, but morally, he stole from his own son.

I don't find this story sad. I find it disgusting. I hope there is a amazing tale that justifies a father fucking up his own son "for his own good" or something. But I find it hard to believe. Unless his father thinks his son has gone crazy or some shit.

I know money can destroy families and what not, but I tend to think that only happens when the family was already not doing well, and just appeared to be doing well. I think that if money destroys a bond between father and son, that bond was already broken. Maybe Robert was naive. Maybe he could not see his real father, just like he couldn't tell how his coworkers were preparing to get rid of him.
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 18:32:18
October 29 2014 18:17 GMT
#25
Alright, well... When you have the cofounder of Dreamhack get thrown this far back, bullied, and beaten by people like his own father...

This really makes me want to boycott Dreamhack.
On October 30 2014 03:15 Apom wrote:
Everyone turns their back at him, and we are to believe that he's not to blame for anything ? The entire organization conspired against him for some unexplainable reason ? Come on. Eyes need to be opened, and errors admitted, before anything he says on the matter can be taken seriously.

I must disagree to some extent. have you seen the film called The Social Network?

I strongly feel as though this is something that requires deeper investigation. If I gave my father all forms of income I have from a product that I helped to create, at least 50% of, and then he did this to me, and I had kids... I would be more than angry.

I am not saying that Robert is completely innocent, but at the same time, I think a guy as old and experienced as him wouldn't be dumb enough to make a troll-bait situation like this where dreamhack as a company could just release evidence of the bad things he has done.

EDIT: assuming he has done bad things.

I think this screenshot sums up my thoughts:
[image loading]

Scenario:
Dumb Kid = (Robert Ohlen).
OP of the screenshot = The community, sense of eSports Karma (you, me and everyone else out there).
Xbox Live moderator = Dreamhack.

I don't think Robert Ohlen would be that dumb. If he's done awful things that make him worthy of being fired, that's him, and I see no reason for us to be looking at this situation without at least some venom in our eyes.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
October 29 2014 18:17 GMT
#26
how old is robert? he looks middle aged already. his dad must be pushing old age hard? why the heck would you steal your son's company? something else going on or his dad is a real piece of work.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 29 2014 18:18 GMT
#27
On October 30 2014 03:17 JimSocks wrote:
how old is robert? he looks middle aged already. his dad must be pushing old age hard? why the heck would you steal your son's company? something else going on or his dad is a real piece of work.


40-something
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 18:22:44
October 29 2014 18:18 GMT
#28
On October 30 2014 03:17 BreAKerTV wrote:
Alright, well... When you have the cofounder of Dreamhack get thrown this far back, bullied, and beaten by people like his own father...

This really makes me want to boycott Dreamhack.

He didn't found Dreamhack, he bought Dreamhack and made a company out of it.
On October 30 2014 03:17 JimSocks wrote:
how old is robert? he looks middle aged already. his dad must be pushing old age hard? why the heck would you steal your son's company? something else going on or his dad is a real piece of work.

47 says the article.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18631 Posts
October 29 2014 18:18 GMT
#29
On October 30 2014 03:17 JimSocks wrote:
how old is robert? he looks middle aged already. his dad must be pushing old age hard? why the heck would you steal your son's company? something else going on or his dad is a real piece of work.


Why? Because of money of course.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
October 29 2014 18:20 GMT
#30
Wow, this reminds me of a local farmer I know, except the son was the one who screwed his father out of the shares.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 29 2014 18:23 GMT
#31
Oh my... such a incredible sad story. I can understand his emotion if it was actually his father who betrayed him in the whole situation. Everything he worked for suddenly gone... Dreamhack keeping communication behind his back until they straight up fired him... fuck that, that's disgusting. My goodwill for Dreamhack has dropped very hard.
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SeinGalton
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
South Africa387 Posts
October 29 2014 18:23 GMT
#32
Looks like DH are really gonna wanna nail their next tournament.
They're coming to get you, Barbara.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
October 29 2014 18:28 GMT
#33
the sad thing is, starcraft community is pretty small now, i don't think a boycott will matter much. when his dad dies, won't robert get the shares back anyway? i can't believe a father would screw over your own kid like that. i'm mad for him. robert needs to kick his dad's ass.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 29 2014 18:29 GMT
#34
On October 30 2014 03:18 sharkie wrote:
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On October 30 2014 03:17 JimSocks wrote:
how old is robert? he looks middle aged already. his dad must be pushing old age hard? why the heck would you steal your son's company? something else going on or his dad is a real piece of work.


Why? Because of money of course.

Never underestimate the ability of money to ruin a family. Ever.

That being said, I wouldn't take the story at face value. The fact that all the Dream Hack employees sided with Roberts father leads me to believe there are some critical facts left out.
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 29 2014 18:31 GMT
#35
"Technical, Legal Reasons" sounds a lot like a cover-up for illegal shit ...
MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
October 29 2014 18:31 GMT
#36
Sad to see such a man leave esports like that. I feel like he has really made a difference in Esports like the champagne ceremony after DH finals and just basically making DH what it is today , my favorite tournament currently in Dota and SC2.I really feel for him being cheated like that , may justice be served . But I wouldnt be surprised if Justice didnt come from the legal side of things cos we all know how the business world works and how it actually treats dishonest people
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 29 2014 18:32 GMT
#37
On October 30 2014 02:58 Heyoka wrote:
It's hard for me to make heads or tails of a lot of it, it sounds like some bad shit went down but we'll never be able to know how the company environment actually was and how things played out the way they did.

Will be interesting to see what Robert does in the future.


This interview does raise oh so many questions. Clearly a lot of bad blood between different parties and to be totally cut off by people he recruited and worked alongside like that? Maybe they're all cowards like he said (since his Dad had all the power at that point), but it certainly feels like a lot of drama / backstory is being left out.

On October 30 2014 03:28 JimSocks wrote:
the sad thing is, starcraft community is pretty small now, i don't think a boycott will matter much. when his dad dies, won't robert get the shares back anyway? i can't believe a father would screw over your own kid like that. i'm mad for him. robert needs to kick his dad's ass.


This is one of the big pieces I wonder about. Did he father remarry? Does Robert have other siblings? Is there some logical reason that a man presumably in his 70's would do this to his own son who likely would just inherit everything back down the road?

I've been reading a lot of Game of Thrones but it still shocks me that a family could end up like this...
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
October 29 2014 18:32 GMT
#38
Jesus, poor Robert.
hoepie
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom96 Posts
October 29 2014 18:41 GMT
#39
So where is OldmanDH's response? Does Robert get the shares back in his will?
Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 18:44:24
October 29 2014 18:43 GMT
#40
Seems the only way we (the comunity) will know what realy happened will be if:
- DH issue a stateman about their dirty laundry (very unlikely).
- Robert talks more than the usual NDA in his contract lets him (very unlikely)

Eitherway Rob seemed on the cameras a decent guy (a bit crazy but in a good way - hope I make sense) and judging by the way DH raised in audience , esports, comunity impact in the last years he did a great job as CEO.

Power struggles exist everywhere and they usualy come in most unexpected ways.

Moral of the story for me: Keep your enemies close and your friends closer.
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
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