EPTRobert Ohlen talks on DH, says "I was f*cked" - Page 3
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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KurtyD
23 Posts
Sounds like the Old Man has had a majority stake in the company since 09. DH was doing "alright" in 09, now they are one of the most profitable E-sports organization outside of China and Korea. That's some serious incentive to fuck over his son with the climate change towards E-sports in the last 3 years. Weird part is, a guy that can build DH into what it is, should be able to read people well enough to know what his father's priorities were before he made the deal in 09. Should have known he valued Money and Power over family. People don't change overnight, if the old man is this type of person now, chances are he wasn't much different 5 years ago. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On October 30 2014 03:29 Plansix wrote: Never underestimate the ability of money to ruin a family. Ever. That being said, I wouldn't take the story at face value. The fact that all the Dream Hack employees sided with Roberts father leads me to believe there are some critical facts left out. This was the exact same thing I thought. I think it's important to get both sides of the story. | ||
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majiDaniel
United States6 Posts
Him and his business partner were having a disagreement and he didn't want the partner to go after his shares... so he gave them to his father. I'm pretty sure this isn't in any ways sound reasoning from a legal perspective... but it sounds like his father has pretty aggressively screwed him over, and that Robert received some incredibly terrible advice in the past. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Maybe I sound like an idealistic unicorn-loving greenhorn of life, but as far as I'm concerned money doesn't make a person happy. A well-led life does. Part of a well-led life is having strong relations with other humans: friends and family. People who place money and things over human beings are scum. Ohlen's dad sounds like a fucker and it makes me sad (also the comments in this thread) that people think so little of others and are this selfish. fuck's sake E: if the employees sided with the father it might because he had 70% shares of the company? who are you really going to side with? the guy with the tank or the guy in front of the tank? | ||
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KurtyD
23 Posts
On October 30 2014 03:51 majiDaniel wrote: The only reasons for him to have handed control to his father are: 1) He was breaking his contract and could've lost his ownership with no retribution (so something like a noncompete, or entering into an illegal business deal). If he owned none of it, it can't be taken away (theoretically...) 2) He was going into rehab or similar, which could've been an easy vote to get kicked out under "loss of confidence" by the board. But loading up his father with shares would prevent that from happening. Granted... you are generally protected in most countries in this situation. At the very least you don't forfeit your current ownership in this situation. 3) Tax evasion Either way, I'm pretty sure the reason behind Robert giving his father shares in the first place would shine a lot of light on this. If #1, his bad. If #2, his father is a terrible, terrible person. If #3, he's whining for getting screwed when doing something illegal. Unless someone releases more information about why this took place, it's hard to really condemn anyone in this situation... I'm not sure how shareholder agreement's are written up in Europe, but they can't be much different than in North America, so it's hard to believe there wasn't a first right of refusal for current share holders in the agreement. This probably stems from a very poorly managed takeover when he bought the company in 2006, and sold parts to subsequent investors. | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1420 Posts
like, even if it is rough, family is family, and especially a father should always hold to his son. this just seems like an extremely sad story about a mans dreams getting shattered by the greed of his father. | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
Sounds too much of an coincidence that the company members and his dad turn against him at the same time. Even if the dad would like to screw over the shares, he could still appoint him as a board of director than throw him out. | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1420 Posts
On October 30 2014 03:47 KurtyD wrote: Never trust anyone who has more to gain by screwing you than helping you. Sounds like the Old Man has had a majority stake in the company since 09. DH was doing "alright" in 09, now they are one of the most profitable E-sports organization outside of China and Korea. That's some serious incentive to fuck over his son with the climate change towards E-sports in the last 3 years. Weird part is, a guy that can build DH into what it is, should be able to read people well enough to know what his father's priorities were before he made the deal in 09. Should have known he valued Money and Power over family. People don't change overnight, if the old man is this type of person now, chances are he wasn't much different 5 years ago. some people are good actors, and only very few peiople suspect their own dad to basically ruin your life for personal gain  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2014 03:53 Incognoto wrote: I guess people are fucking scum. Maybe I sound like an idealistic unicorn-loving greenhorn of life, but as far as I'm concerned money doesn't make a person happy. A well-led life does. Part of a well-led life is having strong relations with other humans: friends and family. People who place money and things over human beings are scum. Ohlen's dad sounds like a fucker and it makes me sad (also the comments in this thread) that people think so little of others and are this selfish. fuck's sake E: if the employees sided with the father it might because he had 70% shares of the company? who are you really going to side with? the guy with the tank or the guy in front of the tank? You should look up Boston Market in the news and what happens when all the employees back someone who isn't a majority share holder that was ousted by a hostile board of directors. Spoiler: The board of directors lost and the previous CEO now owns the company. I don't think it is as black and white as "they were scared" of his father. | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
what a shame >_< | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
Still, there's more to the story, I just mean to point out that older people can surprise you. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: This is pretty sad to read. It's hard to really know what is going on. There are two sides to every story and from reading this it feels like more than ever the other side probably isn't going to see things the same way. I don't think this is to be read as news or history, this is a piece on a fallen hero. Certainly the best read I had on anything regarding e-sports in quite a while, cheers. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
Man i feel for him in that interview. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I somehow suspect the general public isn't getting told the full story and we never will. | ||
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Quixotic_tv
Germany130 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: This is pretty sad to read. It's hard to really know what is going on. There are two sides to every story and from reading this it feels like more than ever the other side probably isn't going to see things the same way. Oh I am quite sure they have a different view on that. But treating a long year CEO like that, not saying goodbye in a nice way is something for people who broke the law or something. I don't know. I've experienced similar things on a smaller scale, people turning their back on you. I hope Mister Ohlen will stay in esports and that he can sort out everything. Best wishes to him and his family. | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:58 Heyoka wrote: It's hard for me to make heads or tails of a lot of it, it sounds like some bad shit went down but we'll never be able to know how the company environment actually was and how things played out the way they did. Will be interesting to see what Robert does in the future. Dreamhack 2.0 in NA | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Hopefully Robert Ohlen can find peace with the situation. | ||
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