On November 30 2006 05:54 Byyk wrote:
@GeneralCash
Man, you do not play enough. Everyone agrees that these two towns are the weakest. My favourite town is the fortress but it is very weak. There is the great article from Joker guy (not know name exactly) where he compare all towns. On tournaments the necromansers and conflux wins always (tower with chain-lighting guy). Also some heroes are too powerful (logistic, armorer, necromansy, skeletors and offence ). Diplomacy is disabled also.
The fortress is too slow. You are slow on the map also because of that. I know the gorgons are great but that is simply not enough. The Inferno's units are too low on hp. That can be changed in WoG. Both towns are playable but also are the weakest. Try fortress against necro to see what imba is. Death stare doesn't work on undeads T_T.
Berserker is imba but it is nothing compared to town portal or dimension door. If one player has one of that spells and other not game is over. That is known fact. Fly is also imba.
WoG is great because you can make game to be more balanced. For example those spells can be disabled. Conflux can be weakened (less Pxonexes) and other towns can be stronger (fortress and inferno for example). Some abilities can be buffed (eagle-eye, learning...) so they are not useless in WoG.
WoG can be what you want it to be. That is why it is so better than others heroes. If you want plain SoD you can play it in WoG. If you want to make game more fun at balance cost it is also possible (unit experience, fun but imba). If you want more balanced game you can achieve that also. Great mode of heroes indeed, imo.
In games like heroes there is not too much brain. At the end you know exactly what you should do. Luck desides most of the games. If you want brainy games play chess or go.

true, i havent played much in the last 4-5 years. but i had more than 150 games on just on toh before that. i left purely cuz of the community, it was full of guys like you. what does it mean that everyone agrees?? i don't. just cuz someone is good with some town and considers it the strongest, doesnt mean that it is indeed imba strong town, just that it fits his play style good.

how is fortress slow, dragon fly has 13 move, the next creature with the lowest lvl with that speed is efreet sultan... i see you haven't faced much first day abuse with dragon/basilisk on small maps.
true that fortress has a hard time vs necro, but necro has a hard time vs conflux, and conflux gets raped by stronghold on small maps and tower on large ones, etc. it's kinda like p<z<t. all mu-s are slill playable, but ppl only play conflux, castle, necro, and a little castle. i play mostly fortress and also a lot of inferno, and i used to win games, so dont tell me they are too strong. vs tough opponents, i tend to pick necro, but only if i know the map well. i also like rampart (very underrated). 90% of games i lost were vs conflux cuz i didn't understand how they work. i started laning with friends recently and took conflux for fun. i think i could beat a conflux player of my level right now.

as for spells, they should not ban fly cuz it's too strong, but ban summon air and fire, and mirror cuz it's too weak for a lvl 5. lvl 5 spells should be strong. you cant have more than 1-2 caster heroes, but i've seen ppl go 4-5 fighters cuz they need much lower lvl to be effective. that's why casters need the improved mobility from fly and dd.

TopGear

United Kingdom796 Posts

November 30 2006 19:39 GMT

#127

Midian, I thought the complete edition was version "4.00".

Well anyway, I patched it up with the one you gave.

Im on hamachi if anyone wants a game. (just msg me)

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

November 30 2006 19:41 GMT

#128

On December 01 2006 04:39 TopGear wrote:
Midian, I thought the complete edition was version "4.00".

Well anyway, I patched it up with the one you gave.

Im on hamachi if anyone wants a game. (just msg me)

yes it is, but that just means it has latest patches for each heroes 3 expansion. complete edition 4.0 includes restoration of erathia 1.4, shadow of death 3.2 armageddon's blade 2.4 or somethingi dunno what the exact latest patches are for sod/ab but you get what i mean.

anyways i'm on my sister's pc at the moment but i have restoration of erathia 1.4 on here if you wanna play that

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

November 30 2006 22:38 GMT

#129

GeneralCash, while Level 5 spells should be powerful and the summon spells are a bit weak, fly and DD offers some ridiculous advantages on ToH maps and you know it. Often there are "chokes" seperated only by tough monsters which you can simply just fly over if you had the movement spells. That and it totally messes up the concept of hero chaining for people since you'll be able to strike almost anywhere while those without can't. Since Diplomacy is banned, logistics and necromancy are among the most powerful skills. (Is Necro banned too? I think so if I recalled) I don't think conflux can get owned by anyone actually. Their spawn rate is just TOO fast and too cheap. They have some blah mid tiers but the numbers really make up.

Pacifist

Israel1683 Posts

November 30 2006 23:33 GMT

#130

can someone give an explanation to all the acronyms you guys are using?

LastWish

2013 Posts

November 30 2006 23:39 GMT

#131

If you use fly or dimension door, you may pick up artifacts/treasures that are guarded by monsters without actually fighting them... and that is IMBA
Used to remember if there was angel's wings on map somewhere I just went all-in to get it asap and afterwards rob the map of artifacts.

Problem with H3 is all growth rates are x2(since citadel+castle +100%).
So you can't make 3 phoenixes per week, and e.g. 5 magic elementals to compensate.