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One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
November 29 2006 19:01 GMT
#81
On November 30 2006 01:06 Da_PlayerX wrote:
btw the bulgarian dude OnePageMemory(we r townmates) is very tough hmm3 player he may join if he have some time

That must be me.
Finally I will get a chance to revenge Midian for beating our random team (3vs3) on Hunters.
Ya Midian, I know you don't remember, but I do. Prepare for some Barbarian stomping!
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
November 29 2006 19:36 GMT
#82
On November 30 2006 03:16 Byyk wrote:
@BeSiGeR
SoD is not the best because is very very imba. In WoG that imba is less. At least you can disable some mega imba spells like town portal, dimension door and fly. The Inferno and the fortress not suck so hard in WoG like in Sod...


Wrong, WoG is very imba.
SoD is much better

anybody wanna play? :D 1v1/2v2 msg me
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
November 29 2006 20:01 GMT
#83
i will msg you after several hours right now i am busy tonight will play neighbour
tvt msg me anytime
GeneralCash
Profile Joined December 2005
Croatia346 Posts
November 29 2006 20:07 GMT
#84
On November 30 2006 03:16 Byyk wrote:
@BeSiGeR
SoD is not the best because is very very imba. In WoG that imba is less. At least you can disable some mega imba spells like town portal, dimension door and fly. The Inferno and the fortress not suck so hard in WoG like in Sod...


omg, stfu!!

inferno is teh sex in sod. if a heretic gets his hands on a wizads well, you will die after his third devil comes out (getting ww in 3 weeks is very doable)

fortress has always been strong but underestimated. now that serpent flies and lizardmen are buffed, they are actualy usable. along with imba gorgons and megaimba basilisk, how can you say they suck???

both towns are undeestimated cuz they require brain to play. nobody likes playing a town that doesnt have bless-prayer-griffin-champion or storm elementals

fly is not imba. if it is, it's the map-maker's fault. same for dd, it's only slightly stronger. only imba spell is berzerk, but good thing nobody uses it.

wog is a disaster. most wog options are omg-wtf-so-stupid

anyway, last time i tried, you can play homm3 on gamespy. i'm thinking about starting again. i'm always up 4 a game, i play complete
Byyk
Profile Joined December 2004
457 Posts
November 29 2006 20:54 GMT
#85
@GeneralCash
Man, you do not play enough. Everyone agrees that these two towns are the weakest. My favourite town is the fortress but it is very weak. There is the great article from Joker guy (not know name exactly) where he compare all towns. On tournaments the necromansers and conflux wins always (tower with chain-lighting guy). Also some heroes are too powerful (logistic, armorer, necromansy, skeletors and offence ). Diplomacy is disabled also.
The fortress is too slow. You are slow on the map also because of that. I know the gorgons are great but that is simply not enough. The Inferno's units are too low on hp. That can be changed in WoG. Both towns are playable but also are the weakest. Try fortress against necro to see what imba is. Death stare doesn't work on undeads T_T.
Berserker is imba but it is nothing compared to town portal or dimension door. If one player has one of that spells and other not game is over. That is known fact. Fly is also imba.
WoG is great because you can make game to be more balanced. For example those spells can be disabled. Conflux can be weakened (less Pxonexes) and other towns can be stronger (fortress and inferno for example). Some abilities can be buffed (eagle-eye, learning...) so they are not useless in WoG.
WoG can be what you want it to be. That is why it is so better than others heroes. If you want plain SoD you can play it in WoG. If you want to make game more fun at balance cost it is also possible (unit experience, fun but imba). If you want more balanced game you can achieve that also. Great mode of heroes indeed, imo.
In games like heroes there is not too much brain. At the end you know exactly what you should do. Luck desides most of the games. If you want brainy games play chess or go.
Ma Jae Yoon, sAviOr, the greatest player of all time.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1821 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-29 21:16:39
November 29 2006 21:15 GMT
#86
Inferno can be good if you use diplomacy to abuse pit lord's demon resurrection ability, although that requires a fair amount of luck. I'd say Tower is actually the worst on low resource maps since they're resource heavy and kind of weak outside of nagas and titans. Both the tower and dungeon were heavily nerfed from their HOMM2 equivalents (Wizard and Warlock) because they were overpowered in that game.
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
November 29 2006 21:17 GMT
#87
On November 30 2006 05:54 Byyk wrote:
@GeneralCash
In games like heroes there is not too much brain. At the end you know exactly what you should do. Luck desides most of the games. If you want brainy games play chess or go.


you have no idea how wrong you are saying this especially talkin bout hmm3. you should better think more before write suck bullshit
tvt msg me anytime
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
November 29 2006 21:17 GMT
#88
In HOMM3, just like SC there are variabilities.
In SC the map is major factor - so in HOMM3.
Dimension, Fly etc. are banned in all tournaments anyway. Necro&Conflux are played only mirror.
The Fortress is MAJOR force in HOMM3, no fucking way the Fortress is weak.

On November 30 2006 05:54 Byyk wrote:
In games like heroes there is not too much brain. At the end you know exactly what you should do. Luck desides most of the games. If you want brainy games play chess or go.


And that particular sentence is PURE crap. Luck is no major factor, although it may decide games. How much games would you take from number 1 HOMM3 player if you play 100 games with him?
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
November 29 2006 21:23 GMT
#89
i'll play again later, 12 or 12:30 TL time seems good, maybe we can get a 3v3 going all human players, seems to be quite a lot of interest ;p i'll create a new hamachi channel so we get all heroes players in there and play more often. the channel is midian66 password 33
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
November 29 2006 21:25 GMT
#90
Byyk we both (me and OnePageMemory) played against maybe the best player in the world in this game his nickname is Rock_bul and believe me we never stood a chance against this guy.He is our townmate too and we know each other personally believe me - no chance dude not a chance!
tvt msg me anytime
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
November 29 2006 21:54 GMT
#91
everyone feel invited hamachi> midian33//33 or midian66/33 i'll host game on hmm3 SoD now!
tvt msg me anytime
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
November 29 2006 22:01 GMT
#92
i don't have SoD on this pc T_T
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
Da_PlayerX
Profile Joined January 2006
Bulgaria1304 Posts
November 29 2006 22:20 GMT
#93
i am still waiting while hosting a game
tvt msg me anytime
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
November 29 2006 22:22 GMT
#94
hihi my hamachi wasn't connecting but it's worked now
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
Byyk
Profile Joined December 2004
457 Posts
November 29 2006 22:38 GMT
#95
@ Da_PlayerX & One Page Memory
You guys sound serious. HoMM3 is the brainy game but still it cannot be compared with chess for instance. I cannot imagine how someone can beat you all the time. What he do so better than you guys? I only ask that if you give me a good reason maybe I play several games with my gamemates again. I won mostly but sometimes if I dont have luck I simply have no chance (no way to find critical resourcec). Which maps do you play?
Where do you put than fortress in the tier list? And why do you think that SoD is better than WoG?
Ma Jae Yoon, sAviOr, the greatest player of all time.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
November 29 2006 23:02 GMT
#96
On November 30 2006 07:38 Byyk wrote:
@ Da_PlayerX & One Page Memory
You guys sound serious. HoMM3 is the brainy game but still it cannot be compared with chess for instance. I cannot imagine how someone can beat you all the time. What he do so better than you guys? I only ask that if you give me a good reason maybe I play several games with my gamemates again. I won mostly but sometimes if I dont have luck I simply have no chance (no way to find critical resourcec). Which maps do you play?
Where do you put than fortress in the tier list? And why do you think that SoD is better than WoG?


Bykk, a lot of tournament maps eliminates the luck factor by banning skill finds, diplomacy and necromancy. I THINK Logistics might be banned as well but I'm not sure. They also balance it out by allowing both sides to be able to find all their resources relatively easily. Download some Test of Honor maps (or is it called Test of Titans? I forget but check the link I posted earlier) and try them out. As for tier list, Fortress is mid, they get decent troops early on, only hydras can't really compete but you get wyverns out turn 2 or 3 and mighty gorgons later. Weakest is most definitely inferno, and then probably tower since magic 5 is banned in most games if I recall.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
November 29 2006 23:03 GMT
#97
i found my HOMMIII shadow of death disk and my armegedon's blade expansion, but they're so old i don't think my XP can initially run them. They work on my other computer that is a windows 98 so i know they work, I can't use that computer though it lags like no other. So i somehow need to get my XP to make CD think it's a 98 or just somehow get them to be compatible, I'm sure it's possible but I have no computer skills in that area.
-btw what happens is if i go to my computer on the XP i see the CD and it's contents but the installer won't go.

-any help/advicewould be great, thanks
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
November 29 2006 23:15 GMT
#98
So there is a way to buff/nerf certain thing in any H3. You just have to make a text file in the same dir that the data files are.
It can be extracted and then modified.
You can edit Hp/dmg grownth... but not special effect abilities or building effects.
I personally tweaked the fire spells(fireball, inferno) because they are useless (unless starting andra with inferno), giving them 16*power per level.
Animate dead -> increased cost or lowered effect for sure(it's better than ressurection and also cheaper and lvl3).
Making utopia tougher.
Pit lord cost lowered....
...many more

The sad thing is H3 has no anti-hack abuse(and believe me the is a very easy way to abuse), also there are no replays so All comes down to ...
...making very specific balanced map, disabling imba spells(fly for sure) and artifacts tweaking some units, and players that are to play fair and for fun.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
November 29 2006 23:40 GMT
#99
On November 30 2006 07:38 Byyk wrote:
@ Da_PlayerX & One Page Memory
You guys sound serious. HoMM3 is the brainy game but still it cannot be compared with chess for instance. I cannot imagine how someone can beat you all the time. What he do so better than you guys? I only ask that if you give me a good reason maybe I play several games with my gamemates again. I won mostly but sometimes if I dont have luck I simply have no chance (no way to find critical resourcec). Which maps do you play?
Where do you put than fortress in the tier list? And why do you think that SoD is better than WoG?

@Byyk:
You just have no idea whom you're messing with - Who said HOMM3 can be compared to chess - I play chess at competitive level too. I played a lot HOMM3, several times beat the best player in the world. There are SO MANY things about HOMM3 that you probably don't know and are VITAL. I myself have played 3-4 years intensivly and still find something small when I watch Rock play. Every template has his own laws, requirements and flaws. It's up to the player to know them - with many practice games. You know each hero which skills are most likely to raise and on what level? You know like your fingers each of the basic templates? No?
A little test for you (simple - hard - hardest):
1. What gives Unicorn in a combat to friendly units and how much?
2. Which is acknowledged as the best original template?
3. On a template "Ready Or Not" who wins (at least 90 %) and why?

And just because you asked - Rock_bul's some advantages are:
- very good transfer of the forces;
- flawless battle management;
- perfect awareness of the templates, heroes (what may raise any hero, what should CEIRTAIN raise, etc.);
- he is MEAN;
And Rock_bul was something 169-13 in the league IIRC. That's enormous luck? Yes?
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
TopGear
Profile Joined November 2005
United Kingdom796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-30 00:51:48
November 30 2006 00:47 GMT
#100
I just wanted to say : I am a retard.

I downloaded : Heroes of Might and Magic III Chronicles Complete - All Episodes

Fucking gay.

EDIT: Don't worry, I found the proper game. *sigh* Be with you guys in about 6 hours, im going out.
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