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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 15 2015 14:40 GMT
#8441
Isn't that even more of an incentive to have ML then, when there's only a few pieces (ilvl sidegrades even?) that you want? Assuming you ALL don't want the same pieces of course.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 15 2015 14:57 GMT
#8442
On February 15 2015 23:40 Duvon wrote:
Isn't that even more of an incentive to have ML then, when there's only a few pieces (ilvl sidegrades even?) that you want? Assuming you ALL don't want the same pieces of course.

Personally all master looter does is slow down raids due to distributing loot and then i'd still rather everyone had an equal chance of getting stuff off a boss even if it is just a shard (Which can be sold and used to buy mythic gear).
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 15 2015 15:16 GMT
#8443
Method 9/10

Was starting to wonder if Blast Furnace would survive the reset. Guess not..

Should be an interesting end to the race.. Looking forward to it!
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 15 2015 15:21 GMT
#8444
Wow Method had like 24 hours less time on BF than Paragon Midwinter and Exorsus...still kill it da fuck. This race is just fucked up
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21904 Posts
February 15 2015 15:22 GMT
#8445
On February 15 2015 22:38 Alventenie wrote:
I don't mind master looter at all tbh. The problem I run into with personal loot is that I run with friends a lot and when they get a piece of gear that is worse than what they have (or the same), it becomes a shard, whereas with master looter more people have the options to get a piece of gear.

Ran with a druid friend who got the gloves off heroic twins on his personal loot and bonus roll. I at the time was using 640 gloves and it would have been an upgrade for me, but he couldn't give it to me due to it being personal. I've since gotten the normal warforged gloves off twins, but it can take longer to gear up in a pug with personal.

I was fine with the run and even if they had said something when it dropped I probably would have been ok with it, but just seemed like a dick move to give it to someone for 6 ilevel increase (when in reality that 6 ilevels will probably not help you progress much at all compared to what you were at before) even though they lost using the loot rules you put out to the group.

If your playing with friends then yes master loot is ofc better but if your doing a raid with strangers I would only do so with Personal loot, anything else is asking for ninja looting.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 15 2015 15:25 GMT
#8446
On February 16 2015 00:21 Pandemona wrote:
Wow Method had like 24 hours less time on BF than Paragon Midwinter and Exorsus...still kill it da fuck. This race is just fucked up


Someone said that they were working on Furnace before they switched to maidens to get the kill, and that's why they were so far behind (on maidens). So maybe they have actually had more time on Furnace than anyone else?
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 15 2015 15:37 GMT
#8447
Yeah just read some of that stuff haha. Who knows but they still ran the 4-6hour worth of Highmaul/BRF split runs whilst Paragon and Midwinter were on Maidens.
Also if true though means their Maidens kill was quick too.

Who knows, but having extra time on Blackhand is crucial. Wonder how long before 2nd kill comes
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 15 2015 16:05 GMT
#8448
Here is Midwinter's WF Maidens



Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 15 2015 18:16 GMT
#8449
Thanks for link nikj, not seen that fight on Mythic. That guy at end goes pretty mad.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
February 15 2015 18:47 GMT
#8450
On February 16 2015 00:22 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 22:38 Alventenie wrote:
I don't mind master looter at all tbh. The problem I run into with personal loot is that I run with friends a lot and when they get a piece of gear that is worse than what they have (or the same), it becomes a shard, whereas with master looter more people have the options to get a piece of gear.

Ran with a druid friend who got the gloves off heroic twins on his personal loot and bonus roll. I at the time was using 640 gloves and it would have been an upgrade for me, but he couldn't give it to me due to it being personal. I've since gotten the normal warforged gloves off twins, but it can take longer to gear up in a pug with personal.

I was fine with the run and even if they had said something when it dropped I probably would have been ok with it, but just seemed like a dick move to give it to someone for 6 ilevel increase (when in reality that 6 ilevels will probably not help you progress much at all compared to what you were at before) even though they lost using the loot rules you put out to the group.

If your playing with friends then yes master loot is ofc better but if your doing a raid with strangers I would only do so with Personal loot, anything else is asking for ninja looting.



That is true but a good amount of raids in the group finder are ML. By barring them implicitly I drastically drop my chances of finding a group at all because I am melee dps.

It happens, was a really good run and got some acheivements for it too. Ill continue to raid to get gear to help my guild progress (I say this lightly, we raid 1 day a week, they were 6/7 highmaul heroic before BRF came out (I joined recently due to 2 RL friends in the guild).

Did it suck? Ya it did, first decent roll I had all night (the other 2 items I got no one rolled against me at all), but I have already let it pass. Hopefully I will get something next week or in BRF tonight when I get home. We will see =).
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4178 Posts
February 15 2015 20:46 GMT
#8451
On February 16 2015 00:16 nikj wrote:
Method 9/10

Was starting to wonder if Blast Furnace would survive the reset. Guess not..

Should be an interesting end to the race.. Looking forward to it!

Grats to them.


Is Blackhand locked until Blast Furnace is cleared? Could we see a surprise 9/10 w/ blackhand @ #9?
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 15 2015 20:47 GMT
#8452
On February 16 2015 05:46 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 00:16 nikj wrote:
Method 9/10

Was starting to wonder if Blast Furnace would survive the reset. Guess not..

Should be an interesting end to the race.. Looking forward to it!

Grats to them.


Is Blackhand locked until Blast Furnace is cleared? Could we see a surprise 9/10 w/ blackhand @ #9?

If it works like the other difficulties then yeah (unless it takes 4 weeks to clear blackhand)
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-15 20:48:02
February 15 2015 20:47 GMT
#8453
On February 16 2015 05:46 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 00:16 nikj wrote:
Method 9/10

Was starting to wonder if Blast Furnace would survive the reset. Guess not..

Should be an interesting end to the race.. Looking forward to it!

Grats to them.


Is Blackhand locked until Blast Furnace is cleared? Could we see a surprise 9/10 w/ blackhand @ #9?


Unlike Highmaul all 9 bosses must be defeated before Blackhand becomes available.
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 15 2015 21:36 GMT
#8454
On February 15 2015 21:41 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 21:11 Teoita wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Drazerk wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:23 Drazerk wrote:
They really want to kill Disc with harmful tier bonuses that actually reduces your HPS and now the 10% nerf. What the hell Blizzard T_T

because absorbs are vastly better then heals, the issue is that they made a class centered around the concept.

Well we already have huge issues with only being allowed 1 per raid so its hard enough to compete. I think disc just needs a rework or to actually give us back attonement healing


Imo it's not as a big of a deal for priest atm because holy is perfectly fine (which it wasnt in mop).

I really really dont get wtf they are doing with warlocks though. All specs are mediocre>>>buff one to be actually good overall>>>nerf it back to mediocrity, wtf. They could have nerfed DB by 15% instead of 25%, and buffed Aff/Destro properly.

A 4k dps nerf is exactly what the doctor ordered...


According to the sims my class leader ran it's more of a 1k DPS nerf. That said, Warlocks aren't mediocre at all. Top damage in some fights. The problem with Demo was that after all the buffs it was #1 single target, movement, and AoE and Affliction was just slightly worse at everything except 2 target. Destro really needs help as it's only good on 2-3 fights total and demo is roughly the same.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 15 2015 22:05 GMT
#8455
From the sims i've seen, it's a big enough nerf that DS becomes better than DB. I think it's really silly.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
February 15 2015 22:07 GMT
#8456
paragon 9/10

I BELIEVE

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"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 15 2015 22:17 GMT
#8457
Vintage gif is vintage :D
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
February 15 2015 22:23 GMT
#8458
should've made updated one. You know it's going to happen.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2015 07:00 GMT
#8459
On February 16 2015 06:36 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 21:41 bo1b wrote:
On February 15 2015 21:11 Teoita wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:30 Drazerk wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 15 2015 03:23 Drazerk wrote:
They really want to kill Disc with harmful tier bonuses that actually reduces your HPS and now the 10% nerf. What the hell Blizzard T_T

because absorbs are vastly better then heals, the issue is that they made a class centered around the concept.

Well we already have huge issues with only being allowed 1 per raid so its hard enough to compete. I think disc just needs a rework or to actually give us back attonement healing


Imo it's not as a big of a deal for priest atm because holy is perfectly fine (which it wasnt in mop).

I really really dont get wtf they are doing with warlocks though. All specs are mediocre>>>buff one to be actually good overall>>>nerf it back to mediocrity, wtf. They could have nerfed DB by 15% instead of 25%, and buffed Aff/Destro properly.

A 4k dps nerf is exactly what the doctor ordered...


According to the sims my class leader ran it's more of a 1k DPS nerf. That said, Warlocks aren't mediocre at all. Top damage in some fights. The problem with Demo was that after all the buffs it was #1 single target, movement, and AoE and Affliction was just slightly worse at everything except 2 target. Destro really needs help as it's only good on 2-3 fights total and demo is roughly the same.

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Before and after nerf
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-16 08:21:07
February 16 2015 08:18 GMT
#8460
Also Destro live/PTR:
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and Aff live/PTR:
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This is likely on a Patchwerk fight so it doesn't count the buff to KJC, but still it should be ~1k higher across the board imo
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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