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ShcShc
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada912 Posts
April 25 2013 13:51 GMT
#41
On April 25 2013 17:18 Verator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 17:07 Thorakh wrote:
So, it's basically a computer. I don't get why consoles have been moving towards being more multipurpose lately. Why would I buy a console when for just a few euros more I can get a much more powerful machine that can do everything a console can and infinitely more? They seem to be digging their own graves...

Where are the days of plugging your console in the TV, popping a game in and instantly getting the game loading screen?

And always online! What is fucking wrong with them? Why should a single player game require internet?



Because computers require a degree of competence in setting them up, installing software, doing updates, FINDING the things to consume, etc. The average person is very computer illiterate, and a console where they just plug it in, and can easily do multiple things without dealing with the hassle of managing anything, is very attractive.

in other words, ease of use >> power, in most situations for most people.

As for always online, a ton of people are always connected, and constant connectivity is equivalent to having electricity for many people, so it is reaching the point where it is assumed you are online, and being offline is a rare event.

TL;DR Easy > Powerful
Internet stability == electrical stability


Except the average person in Canada has a maximum download/upload limit of 50-60 gb.
Seems unnecessary to lose such a large segment of the potential buyers.
God DAJNFBGHSfIDSHUKLFHSGUIO! -Jinro
Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:54:15
April 25 2013 13:52 GMT
#42
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles

You will always get a better Gaming-Experience if you order Hardware and build yourself a PC. I paid like 500€ for my PC in 2009 and its still running everything on Max, no Problem.
And because Consoles cannot have High-End PC Hardware, because no one wants to pay ~600$ for a Console anymore - this will still be the Case even with new Consoles.

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Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:56:06
April 25 2013 13:54 GMT
#43
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles


PC is my main platform yeah, but console exclusives is my main reason for buying Xbox 360.

Playing good games, regardless of platform > No gaming
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 14:00:18
April 25 2013 13:58 GMT
#44
It connects to your cable box? So does that mean you NEED cable as well?

So basically, Microsoft wants you to have both cable and internet just to even play their freaking console. Amazing decision right there... oh wait, I don't have cable and half the reason to have a console is for when you're somewhere without internet.

On April 25 2013 22:51 ShcShc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 17:18 Verator wrote:
On April 25 2013 17:07 Thorakh wrote:
So, it's basically a computer. I don't get why consoles have been moving towards being more multipurpose lately. Why would I buy a console when for just a few euros more I can get a much more powerful machine that can do everything a console can and infinitely more? They seem to be digging their own graves...

Where are the days of plugging your console in the TV, popping a game in and instantly getting the game loading screen?

And always online! What is fucking wrong with them? Why should a single player game require internet?



Because computers require a degree of competence in setting them up, installing software, doing updates, FINDING the things to consume, etc. The average person is very computer illiterate, and a console where they just plug it in, and can easily do multiple things without dealing with the hassle of managing anything, is very attractive.

in other words, ease of use >> power, in most situations for most people.

As for always online, a ton of people are always connected, and constant connectivity is equivalent to having electricity for many people, so it is reaching the point where it is assumed you are online, and being offline is a rare event.

TL;DR Easy > Powerful
Internet stability == electrical stability


Except the average person in Canada has a maximum download/upload limit of 50-60 gb.
Seems unnecessary to lose such a large segment of the potential buyers.


Not even the average. A ton of people have 15-20 gb maximum.
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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
April 25 2013 13:59 GMT
#45
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles

You will always get a better Gaming-Experience if you order Hardware and build yourself a PC. I paid like 500€ for my PC in 2009 and its still running everything on Max, no Problem.
And because Consoles cannot have High-End PC Hardware, because no one wants to pay ~600$ for a Console anymore - this will still be the Case even with new Consoles.


Quick its a console thread, we need a computer buff to tell us how wrong it is to buy a console!
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Romeus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States21 Posts
April 25 2013 13:59 GMT
#46
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles

You will always get a better Gaming-Experience if you order Hardware and build yourself a PC. I paid like 500€ for my PC in 2009 and its still running everything on Max, no Problem.
And because Consoles cannot have High-End PC Hardware, because no one wants to pay ~600$ for a Console anymore - this will still be the Case even with new Consoles.


You're a liar, with a 500PC from 2009, there is no way you are running everything well on max.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 14:08:24
April 25 2013 13:59 GMT
#47
On April 25 2013 18:41 paralleluniverse wrote:
Starcraft 2 is effectively always online, yet no one complains about it anymore.

I think people with internet will come to realize that always online makes for a better gaming experience and then they'll stop complaining. People with no internet or bad internet will either not buy it or buy a PS4.

Always online leading to a better gaming experience is a big strawman. My ipad is a better experience when it's online but I can still freaking use it when it's not. There's no real benefits to forcing an always online mode for a console. Or did you skip over the word "always?"

Also I don't know what starcraft game you have been playing but I can play offline just fine. Oh no I lose achievements, the horror.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
April 25 2013 14:02 GMT
#48
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles

Not everybody can afford to buy a $1000+ PC and keep it up to date. Shit, not everybody can handle the incredible power that the mouse and keyboard gives.

I never use consoles myself, for whatever reason I picked up an xbox 360 for $120 a while ago and used it for about 8 hours and never touched it again. That said, I understand the appeal for casuals or people who -REALLY- want the exclusive titles (but why do people actually like Halo, I have no ****ing clue).

Anyway, it's a good option to get decent games for cheap and exclusives. However, if the upcoming Xbox turns out to be always online, I sincerely hope that people will boycott it into oblivion and buy PS4's instead. That's what it's looking like so far.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 14:27:11
April 25 2013 14:25 GMT
#49
On April 25 2013 22:59 Romeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles

You will always get a better Gaming-Experience if you order Hardware and build yourself a PC. I paid like 500€ for my PC in 2009 and its still running everything on Max, no Problem.
And because Consoles cannot have High-End PC Hardware, because no one wants to pay ~600$ for a Console anymore - this will still be the Case even with new Consoles.


You're a liar, with a 500PC from 2009, there is no way you are running everything well on max.


Core2Duo E8400 @3.6GHz
HD 6870
8GB DDR-1333 RAM

Now tell me what does not run on my machine.


On April 25 2013 22:54 Greentellon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles


Playing good games, regardless of platform > No gaming


There are 2 Games I would like to play: Read Dead Redemption and UFC Undisputed 3 - thats not worth buying a terrible console and playing these games on 1280x720 without AA, AF and a Gamepad...
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
April 25 2013 14:58 GMT
#50
Wow, PC elitists are sure the worst. Some of you guys remind me of the Smash elitists when they were at their peak.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:04:21
April 25 2013 15:02 GMT
#51
On April 25 2013 22:52 Savage88 wrote:
Seriously, who cares about Casual-Consoles? They will have low-end PC Hardware. Your PC from 2010 will probably be at least as fast as this thing. And I'm not even starting with ridiculous expensive Games, Always-On and all that shit.

PC > GameBoy > No Gaming > Consoles

You will always get a better Gaming-Experience if you order Hardware and build yourself a PC. I paid like 500€ for my PC in 2009 and its still running everything on Max, no Problem.
And because Consoles cannot have High-End PC Hardware, because no one wants to pay ~600$ for a Console anymore - this will still be the Case even with new Consoles.


consoles dominate gaming market, games are actually designed with consoles in mind (majority).

who really cares about highest end graphics anyways. i'm actually 100% ok with 360 graphics. the only stupid shit about this is you 'need to be online' to play. wtf.

conosles aren't 600 bucks, more like half that price, you can get a 360 for like way less than that now.
Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
April 25 2013 15:05 GMT
#52
conosles aren't 600 bucks, more like half that price, you can get a 360 for like way less than that now.


Learn to read kid.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:09:53
April 25 2013 15:08 GMT
#53
On April 26 2013 00:05 Savage88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
conosles aren't 600 bucks, more like half that price, you can get a 360 for like way less than that now.


Learn to read kid.


360 was never 600 bucks brand new. i dont remember any console costing that much unless you'r willing to pay a stupid premium day of release.

'And because Consoles cannot have High-End PC Hardware, because no one wants to pay ~600$ for a Console anymore - this will still be the Case even with new Consoles.'

are you fucking dumb.
bK-
Profile Joined June 2012
United States326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:14:25
April 25 2013 15:12 GMT
#54
On April 25 2013 17:07 Thorakh wrote:
So, it's basically a computer. I don't get why consoles have been moving towards being more multipurpose lately. Why would I buy a console when for just a few euros more I can get a much more powerful machine that can do everything a console can and infinitely more? They seem to be digging their own graves...

Where are the days of plugging your console in the TV, popping a game in and instantly getting the game loading screen?

And always online! What is fucking wrong with them? Why should a single player game require internet?

One of the main reasons people bought current gen systems is due to them being a multipurpose blu-ray player. With Microsoft requiring them to be online just excommunicates the part of the market which in turn will reduce their sales. The thing is PC's always seem to outclass consoles and will continue to do so. Microsoft tries really hard to strive for convenience and by doing so restricts them greatly. What I mean by my previous sentence is when you have less space to work with you can't put in the big fat high performance video card etc.. etc..

All in all I think they won't get huge sales numbers outside of their exclusives IP's if they choose to make sequels such as Fable 4,Halo 17.
We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the earth is rich and can provide for everyone.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 25 2013 15:17 GMT
#55
Never was much of a xbox fan, but we knew this was coming. Will be interested to see the exclusive games they have, 360 was pretty weak with that. I hope the always online is not true, because I think that is just silly and will hurt them. Unless MS is gonna make the US internet infrastructure #1 lol.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 25 2013 15:18 GMT
#56
On April 25 2013 16:45 Verator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 16:44 Daumen wrote:
wait, is that the Xbox 720? or whatever happened to the 720?


720 was either a code name, a leaked name, or just what people assumed it would be called. This might be called the 720, or it might not.


It will be called the 420, making it more endearing to the average customer.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:28:23
April 25 2013 15:24 GMT
#57
We don't know anything for sure. I've read both that it requires always-on and that it doesn't. Same goes for used games.

What all sources seem to agree on, however, is that it will have pretty much the same AMD CPU/GPU as the PS4, meaning it will be just as easy to make games for. If it runs a version of Windows 8 (as it was rumored) it will bring it even closer to a PC, and Metro should, in theory, work well with the controller.
IAmThEnd
Profile Joined April 2013
United States111 Posts
April 25 2013 15:28 GMT
#58
On April 26 2013 00:17 HeeroFX wrote:
Never was much of a xbox fan, but we knew this was coming. Will be interested to see the exclusive games they have, 360 was pretty weak with that. I hope the always online is not true, because I think that is just silly and will hurt them. Unless MS is gonna make the US internet infrastructure #1 lol.


Weak exclusive games compared to what? pS3? Wii? I don't see what was so grand about their exclusive games--Uncharted and Mario/Zelda. And none of them were worth picking up a ps3 or Wii for.
I am unimpressed. I am ungrateful. I am a leech, a parasite. I am a vampire.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
April 25 2013 15:28 GMT
#59
Xbox live is a wretched hive of scum and villiany and preteens figuring out the most obnoxious noises they can make. The idea of being forced to connect to it every three minutes in order to play games is TERRIFYING to me
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
April 25 2013 15:31 GMT
#60
On April 26 2013 00:28 DavoS wrote:
Xbox live is a wretched hive of scum and villiany and preteens figuring out the most obnoxious noises they can make. The idea of being forced to connect to it every three minutes in order to play games is TERRIFYING to me

I like the emphasis on terrifying :O. We're all gonna make it brah <3 fear not.
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