Speedrunning Thread - Page 121

On April 12 2014 19:50 Growiel wrote:
I agree, this is a nice find but not really usefull in any "classic" categories. Any% is already way faster than this and this can't be done in all dungeon.

It would have be a new and weird category like 'All dungeons minus 3" which I don't think is going to be run a lot.

On April 14 2014 07:17 skuj wrote:
In regards to the new ALttP glitch: There's a lot of dynamics to this issue that may not be obvious at first. For one thing it's important to understand that the title of a category doesn't dictate all of it's rules. Some of these are obvious, for example "No S+Q no OOB" doesn't specify that you can't use turbo, or up+down or left+right or other clearly banned things. But beyond what is clearly illegal, we need to look toward the purpose of each category. This is a new glitch, the nature of which (as far as i know) hasn't really existed in this game before, and that's memory corruption.

If the objective of the game is simply to complete it as fast as possible we use EG and beat the game in 2 minutes. The reason we have other categories is specifically for the content they produce. No EG allows all other forms of OOB and skips most dungeons, but displays a lot of very precise frame or pixel perfect maneuvers and a difficult "underleveled" late game(basically running the last dungeon and Ganon with like 5 hearts). The "No S+Q/OOB" category was intended to be the least broken, with no large sequence breaks, and every dungeon completed. Although some dungeons are broken, like Ice Palace via the Ice Palace bomb jump, this is still a small sequence break(if you would even call it that) compared to skipping multiple bosses and entire dungeons.

It was considered in the past whether the category name should be changed to include "all bosses" or something like that but it was deemed unnecessary, because without OOB there was no way to skip bosses. With that in mind it should be accepted that any glitch that allows for skips similar to those OOB allows(even if it doesn't technically take you out of bounds) should at least be reviewed maturely to determine if a new category need to be formed to include it, or if it should be allowed in either the No EG or No OOB category.

Kryssstal was very vocal about maintaining the integrity of the old category, but the internet's propensity for personal attacks and semantic arguing made it hard for any real progress to be made. Now that the initial flux of garbage in #alttp has calmed down it's clear that most players of high level in the game agree with Kryssstal's sentiment, and agree that the so called "Legacy Category" should not include this glitch to maintain the purpose that it's always had. Now the challenge seems to be how to prevent a similar problem in the future. Is there a way to label the category now to apply to every new situation presented in the future? I personally don't think there is a solution like that. I hope that this conflict can serve as a precedent for situations like this in the future, and that the community can act with maturity to resolve these issues if they arise again.

I heard form multiple players that I respect very much that during this mess they legitimately considered quitting the game and that makes me very sad, and misinformation has led people to believe that Kryssstal's behavior was selfish and that she was defying everyone else with her persistence, and this is untrue and even insulting. there's still a lot more that can be said, but I hope this small essay has brought some light to the issues present, and that anyone who reads this will not be so quick to pass judgment without first understanding the present issues more thoroughly. Rant over Thanks for reading!

On April 22 2014 14:36 Hall0wed wrote:
Damn, almost thought Sig was gonna finally lose his WR. Would have loved that since he would have had to start grinding hard again. Damn Lakitu Skip.

Good PB for Puncayshun though, 1:44:12.