EPTI wish they would have kept super turbo as an actual game or maybe 3rd strike too. Its kind of like brood war where just because they are old does not mean they need to go away.
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
I wish they would have kept super turbo as an actual game or maybe 3rd strike too. Its kind of like brood war where just because they are old does not mean they need to go away. | ||
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Warpticon
United States278 Posts
On July 06 2012 11:21 snakeeyez wrote: What time and stream is the turbo tournament on? The whole schedule's right there in the awesome first post. It's also at the bottom of the stream page: http://evo2012.s3.amazonaws.com/live/index.html | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
 nice work - glad I saw it so we could feature it on LiveOnThree, I'll be here all weekend! | ||
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FunkQue
United States165 Posts
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
On July 06 2012 11:27 Warpticon wrote: The whole schedule's right there in the awesome first post. It's also at the bottom of the stream page: http://evo2012.s3.amazonaws.com/live/index.html Sorry stupid question looked right past it. | ||
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Warpticon
United States278 Posts
On July 06 2012 11:21 snakeeyez wrote: I wish they would have kept super turbo as an actual game or maybe 3rd strike too. Its kind of like brood war where just because they are old does not mean they need to go away. As for ST, 3S, etc., there are only so many games that can be main games. Nearly 1600 competitors are registered for AE2012, and over 1400 for UMvC3. KOF has over 1000, SCV has 500+, and MK9 at a little under 300 is the smallest but is still pretty huge. 3S and ST don't draw like that these days for a number of reasons, but they're still respected games and have dedicated scenes. If you ever go to an Evo, the BYOC/side tournament area is often the biggest draw. Lots of people who don't even play the main games show up because it's one of the best places to find people who play the game you like in the world. In 2007 the Melty Blood side tournament outdrew some of the official games, which contributed to it being an official game in 2010. Skullgirls has an official side tournament that will likely draw a couple hundred or more. Blazblue, Melty Blood, Guilty Gear, and the as-yet-unreleased Persona 4 Arena will all be streamed, as well as the Virtua Fighter 5 tournament. (I'm sad I can't watch the Vampire Savior tournament though, especially since the gods Sako and Haitani have agreed to participate, but oh well...I'll just have to be there next year.) Don't cry for ST, it still gets love on GGPO and at tournaments. And, if you love it, play it. | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On July 06 2012 11:31 snakeeyez wrote: Sorry stupid question looked right past it. Kuroppi has the stream link and schedule for the rest of the super turbo events (exhibitions and pools) while the top 8 is on mainstream | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
The srk evo "forum" takes me to this mess http://www.shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?forums/evo-championship-series.97/ The eventhubs "preview" is less than helpful http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/jul/03/evo-2012-tournament-preview-july-6-8/ The neogaf thread is decent http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481190 I guess. seriously... raffles and trying to stay underground aren't the only problems that community faces. anyway, hype for evo! | ||
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hyptonic
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Warpticon
United States278 Posts
On July 06 2012 11:58 Snorkle wrote: Pachi why is it that you can throw this together in such an awesome and concise manner when it took me several minutes searching through the usual fighting game sites to come up with the same information? The srk evo "forum" takes me to this mess http://www.shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?forums/evo-championship-series.97/ The eventhubs "preview" is less than helpful http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/jul/03/evo-2012-tournament-preview-july-6-8/ The neogaf thread is decent http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481190 I guess. seriously... raffles and trying to stay underground aren't the only problems that community faces. anyway, hype for evo! The Evo forum is for discussing things leading up to evo, setting up side tournaments, arranging accomodations, etc. It isn't and never was intended to be a direct information hub for watching the stream or anything. All the information accumulated herein was accumulated from the SRK/EVO site front pages, including pool asssignments, stream details, etc. The thread opener is awesome for compiling it all well, but it's all information that was provided by SRK in the first place. I agree that the Evo site could be a bit better arranged, but I don't get the connection between that and so-called problems with "that community." | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On July 06 2012 12:09 Warpticon wrote: The Evo forum is for discussing things leading up to evo, setting up side tournaments, arranging accomodations, etc. It isn't and never was intended to be a direct information hub for watching the stream or anything. All the information accumulated herein was accumulated from the SRK/EVO site front pages, including pool asssignments, stream details, etc. The thread opener is awesome for compiling it all well, but it's all information that was provided by SRK in the first place. I agree that the Evo site could be a bit better arranged, but I don't get the connection between that and so-called problems with "that community." If you are trying to get into watching fighting games its extremely difficult to follow the scene. Their is no site that presents information on tournaments and players in any way remotely close to what TL does for starcraft. The point is that they need to have better coverage of their own scene. I hate SRK's front page format and compiling all the information Pachi did in the OP as I said took me several minutes of scrolling through SRK front pages to find. Just an observation. | ||
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Warpticon
United States278 Posts
On July 06 2012 12:13 Snorkle wrote: If you are trying to get into watching fighting games its extremely difficult to follow the scene. Their is no site that presents information on tournaments and players in any way remotely close to what TL does for starcraft. The point is that they need to have better coverage of their own scene. I hate SRK's front page format and compiling all the information Pachi did in the OP as I said took me several minutes of scrolling through SRK front pages to find. Just an observation. It's a fair observation, I just took some issue with your extrapolations there. If you dont' mind me asking, wht are some specific things you have a problem with in navigating or finding nformation? | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
edit: compare this with the amazing wealth of information you gain from searching for any major tournament on TL. Look on the sidebar and try to see where it tells you under upcoming streams that the evo pre-show is on in an hour. It isn't there. Its not just finding information for specific events, it is a lack of interesting information such as player interviews and statistics that keep fans engaged. Is there a place where vods of every tournament are arranged organized and searchable? I don't mean the streamers personal youtube account. Try and find anything remotely close to the tlpd. Is there even any site that tracks an ELO of fighting game players? If there is I would be super glad to hear about it. If not, why isn't there one? | ||
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Warpticon
United States278 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/nycfurby | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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DonaldLee
586 Posts
On July 06 2012 12:13 Snorkle wrote: If you are trying to get into watching fighting games its extremely difficult to follow the scene. Their is no site that presents information on tournaments and players in any way remotely close to what TL does for starcraft. The point is that they need to have better coverage of their own scene. I hate SRK's front page format and compiling all the information Pachi did in the OP as I said took me several minutes of scrolling through SRK front pages to find. Just an observation. It'd be amazing if SRK or IPW could be the TL of fighting games. It really puts into perspective how amazing TL is more than anything. The only thing that comes close is NeoGAF's weekly fight game thread compiled by USD (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479961), which is strange, since I believe he writes for SRK, but that information is all over the place on SRK. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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Warpticon
United States278 Posts
On July 06 2012 12:30 Snorkle wrote: Go to srk.com and type evo 2012 in the searchbar. It takes you here http://shoryuken.com/?s=evo 2012&x=0&y=0 edit: compare this with the amazing wealth of information you gain from searching for any major tournament on TL. Look on the sidebar and try to see where it tells you under upcoming streams that the evo pre-show is on in an hour. It isn't there. Its not just finding information for specific events, it is a lack of interesting information such as player interviews and statistics that keep fans engaged. Is there a place where vods of every tournament are arranged organized and searchable? I don't mean the streamers personal youtube account. Try and find anything remotely close to the tlpd. Is there even any site that tracks an ELO of fighting game players? If there is I would be super glad to hear about it. If not, why isn't there one? Thanks for the feedback. I've been interested to know what people from the "outside" think, since it's easy to be myopic from the inside. It's also worth noting that I don't entirely follow some of the references you're making because I don't play SC/SC2 and have only recently started to try to follow the game(s), so I don't really know about some of the things you're talking about. In fact, I have searched for things here and had similar troubles to what you're saying you had at SRK, though I'm sure a part of that is just not knowing what to look for. Perspective matters a lot. One point of differentiation is that the fighting game scene is and has always been player-centric. SRK and EVO itself is a for players, by playerrs production. I've been a member on SRK since 2004, and I've been playing fighting games for pretty much as long as fighting games have existed. This whole "catering to spectators" thing is pretty new. As such, most of the content posted on news sites such as SRK, Eventhubs, IPlayWinner, etc. is geared toward players or people who are already inclined to follow. Incidentally, interviews are posted fairly often. Are there interviews? Yeah. Are there stats? Stats are questionable because, outside of wins and losses, it's not entirely clear what stats are even relevant. What there is more than anything are combo videos, strategy articles and videos, news about upcoming games and developments in current games, etc. For the active fighting game fan/player it makes a lot of sense, but i can see how it would seem obtuse as an outsider, especially considering how lost I get trying to navigate TL. Is there a place where vods of every tournament are arranged and searchable? No, not really, outside of individual stream archives and youtube channels. There's http://www.frame-advantage.com/ , but keeping something like that updated is a massive undertaking and, as such, it is perpetually behind. Honestly, from my perspective it feels like a nice, but relatively unimportant, convenience. Is there an ELO system for fighting games? Not currently, outside of things like EVO seeding points from Road to EVO tournaments. http://getyourtournament.com/ tries to compile stats from matches, but it's questionable how meaningful they are. I'm not sure it would realy indicate anything meaningful anyway, as I don't feel the system is closed enough for it to be an accurate representation of skill or accomplishment. If someone could make it work, though, I wouldn't be against it. SRK ran a sort of ranking system called APEX many years ago, and it didn't turn out so hot, but who knows what the future holds. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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