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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8690 Posts
January 29 2014 22:14 GMT
#821
On January 30 2014 06:58 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 06:56 Miragee wrote:
On January 30 2014 06:55 crms wrote:
I don't think WoW has anything in the shop that isn't purely cosmetic but I could be wrong. The only thing you can buy other than cosmetics (pets, mounts, etc.) are services like race and server change.


Doesn't matter. In a sub-based game, everything should be in the game 100%. No shop. Subscription + Shop is money grab. Good for business, bad for the customer.


It matters a lot if you're going to compare a game with an only cosmetic shop vs a game that has real advantages to spending money in the shop. It's the entire point of discussing micro-transactions or cash shops. Does the game have P2W elements or are the shops strictly cosmetic. I mean, it's really the only thing that matters when discussion in-game buying.


Well, there are a lot of p2w games out there. And there is a lot of grey zones. A lot of people don't consider the option of money-->gold in gw2 as p2w for example. The reasoning is that you can't really buy advantages with gold, that's what these people say. Others say you can (obviously you can...). But that wasn't my point. Companies in the western world no that p2w is frowned upon here. So what they actually do is: Tons of cosmetics. Cutting out convinience out of the game to sell it in the shop instead. Design content in a way it leads you to the shop (advertising, take gw2's living story for example). A lot of development recources go in managing and planning the shop/strategies and also creating the stuff that later will be sold instead of working on proper content. They don't see it as "we'll offer a little extra here and there for people who want to support us". They see it as "how can I make as much money out of the customers without them leaving and with as little effort as possible".
I don't argue that cosmetics give no advantage or aren't bad to be sold in a shop. It's the actual trend that the amount of it goes way over the top. As for the other two points: These are exactly points that make players feel bad in the game (aka convinience exists, but you don't have it, but you COULD if you pay). The focus now lies on the shop, not on the game. And that's a big problem - for the gamers. Again, I'm not arguing on the cosmetics as a core idea but on the general problems with shops that are evolving lately.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
January 29 2014 22:29 GMT
#822
On January 30 2014 06:55 crms wrote:
I don't think WoW has anything in the shop that isn't purely cosmetic but I could be wrong. The only thing you can buy other than cosmetics (pets, mounts, etc.) are services like race and server change.


Yeah I wasn't talking about anything pay to win. But WoW is a subscription game, so when you charge for anything then people are paying twice (three times if you include the box costs).
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 23:31:55
January 29 2014 23:31 GMT
#823
From the playstation store:

-Play as an Imperial: Become an Imperial and play in any Alliance. Gain unique bonuses, crafting styles, gear, and more.
-White Imperial Horse: Summon this Imperial mount and journey through Tamriel with speed.
-Mudcrab Vanity Pet: Explore Tamriel with a mudcrab pet by your side.
-Rings of Mara: Complete the Ritual of Mara with a friend and receive an experience bonus when you play together.
All those that pre-order either the standard edition or the Imperial Edition will also receive The Explorer’s Pack, which included these digital bonuses:
-The characters you create can join any alliance, no matter which race you choose
-The Scuttler, a tiny but loyal vanity pet
-A bundle of four bonus treasure maps

I have been defending this game until now, but this is complete horseshit. Will not be playing.
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
January 29 2014 23:36 GMT
#824
best would be if they shut this game down after one month after they took all the money from initial sales and preorders and then the first month of subscribtions
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
January 29 2014 23:50 GMT
#825
The thing in question here is what can we as consumers do? I for one will not buy the game, but this is unacceptable what they are doing.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 30 2014 00:18 GMT
#826
On January 30 2014 08:50 Tilorn91 wrote:
The thing in question here is what can we as consumers do? I for one will not buy the game, but this is unacceptable what they are doing.


What we consumers can do is by voicing our opinions by not buying it. Thats all you can do really.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 30 2014 00:29 GMT
#827
On January 30 2014 07:03 On_Slaught wrote:
Wait... I know they didn't care about lore, since they're shitting all over the canon, but now if you get the Explorers pack you can play ANY RACE in ANY FACTION? So we can have Altmer players fighting alongside Dunmer? Argonians with Redguard? Wtf? How can they claim this is an Elder Scrolls, story driven game with a straight face.


This is essentially my reaction to having Chiss force users in Swtor. Or empire Cathar. If you are going to have factions, don't make them meaningless.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
January 30 2014 00:44 GMT
#828
This is worse than the time they gave paladins bloodlust
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 30 2014 02:38 GMT
#829
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 30 2014 03:13 GMT
#830
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


Things tend to look better when you throw alot of money at it.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 30 2014 03:16 GMT
#831
On January 30 2014 12:13 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


Things tend to look better on the surface when you throw alot of money at it.


Fixed that for you.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 30 2014 03:18 GMT
#832
That Game of Thrones ending.

Gotta say, the trailer does look amazing. Which makes the obvious cash grab policy a bigger shame.
I like words.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 30 2014 03:56 GMT
#833
On January 30 2014 12:16 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 12:13 Disengaged wrote:
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


Things tend to look better on the surface when you throw alot of money at it.


Fixed that for you.


Ah, much better!
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8272 Posts
January 30 2014 11:29 GMT
#834
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


If only the game could live up to half the expectations that trailer gives.
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
January 30 2014 16:32 GMT
#835
On January 30 2014 20:29 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


If only the game could live up to half the expectations that trailer gives.

Even if it does, no one should support the kind of money grab ZOE seems to be trying for.
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
January 30 2014 16:34 GMT
#836
On January 30 2014 20:29 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


If only the game could live up to half the expectations that trailer gives.


You mean if only the game could be a movie?
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 16:50:06
January 30 2014 16:49 GMT
#837
If anyone would be interested in the retail-version of the imperial-edition (excluding the statue) for 50-70€, preferably from germany, you can PM me. The game doesnt interest me at all, but the statue does. If anyone is interested : D

If you are from germany and relatively close to my location I would even deliver so you can enjoy the 5 day earlyer access.
RIP "The big travis CS degree thread", taken from us too soon | Honourable forum princess, defended by Rebs-approved white knights
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8272 Posts
January 30 2014 16:53 GMT
#838
On January 31 2014 01:34 willoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 20:29 Excludos wrote:
On January 30 2014 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On the plus side, the new trailer looks pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UIdhxSu3M


If only the game could live up to half the expectations that trailer gives.


You mean if only the game could be a movie?


I'd see it :D
Rowrin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
January 30 2014 18:12 GMT
#839
Pre-ordered it :D

Debating on a Breton caster or an Argonian assassin-type.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 30 2014 18:15 GMT
#840
On January 31 2014 03:12 Rowrin wrote:
Pre-ordered it :D

Debating on a Breton caster or an Argonian assassin-type.

Have you been following the development and playing the beta? Or did you just pre-order off of the release trailers and general Elder Scrolls hype?

I'm genuinely curious.
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