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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On April 04 2012 05:02 Torenhire wrote: I know they changed it a lot since wrath, how do 25s stack up to 10s? Do you need better gear to run the 25s, or is it just a "more people" version of the 10man? To my knowledge, 25 does drop a little more loot, but 10man is the exact same loot (ilvl). | ||
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Serejai
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On April 04 2012 05:02 Torenhire wrote: If my input qualifies for anything, I found that running two 10mans is far easier than one 25man. I'm down for whatever either way. Personally I like running a 10man better for the reasons you stated as a con for 25man, you can easily see who is fucking up and how to fix it, whether it's replacing them or helping them with gear/spec or whatever. I know they changed it a lot since wrath, how do 25s stack up to 10s? Do you need better gear to run the 25s, or is it just a "more people" version of the 10man? 10s and 25s are the same gear. 10s are a bit harder simply due to the fact they are less forgiving and if a single person fucks up you're likely to wipe. 25s are a bit easier because you can have some dead weight and still clear everything. 25s are pretty dead on most servers. Only the really high pop ones have decent 25m pools. Any other server and you're basically going to spend more time in trade chat finding replacements/new invites than you will actually raiding. They're a lot more effort for the exact same reward (unless you consider it more prestigious to clear a raid with 25 people, but it's really not). Dual 10s is a very solid format as long as each core is treated as a separate group and the replacements are generic. You don't want to keep swapping players between groups, but the replacements shouldn't be group-specific. Adjustments can be made to the groups but you generally at least want to keep the tanks and healers the same every week. The benefit of this format is that you're basically raiding like a 25m guild would (same amount of gear, potential for faster progression) but without all the stress and drama that a 25m guild brings. If you're at all familiar with business... a 10m is like a sole proprietor, a 25m is a corporation, and a 10m is an LLC (best of both worlds). | ||
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mistermichael
United States42 Posts
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Clemz
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Serejai
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emji
Canada82 Posts
Why not just start with two 10s and then when people know what's going on switch to the 25? TL does everything hardcore, yo. I do think eventually we'll have enough for 25, and maybe even the casual will want to try it out. No need to rush anything to be honest, not like the raids are going anywhere. Also, I can switch to whatever is needed, gearing up as a tank atm, but thinking about bringing other druid over for resto. | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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robo99
United States4 Posts
As a side note, my personal preference is 25s. They have a much more 'epic' feeling when you down that final heroic boss, than 10s do. When you see 25 people doing exactly what they need to do and you get that final boss kill, its a pretty good feeling. | ||
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emji
Canada82 Posts
I lead a group to super long raids. Get ready guys! | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On April 04 2012 05:58 mnvr wrote: Haha, aight. I lead a group to super long raids. Get ready guys! Haha, 3 hour Zul'Aman, no problem! At least we finally cleared it haha. We went through so many DPS in that run...good times have been had already, and it's been a little over a week haha. edit: for reals though, just play what you want. if you want to resto it up, go for it. No one is going to stop you haha. I'll be tank ready once I find a shield TT | ||
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emji
Canada82 Posts
I'm a pretty bad tank lol, so if I need to be replaced it's cool lol I can either tank, resto, or boom. Whatever we need. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
I'm rolling a Troll Warrior over there when the realms come back up. Come MoP though I have an officer position in New Pantheon on Kel'Thuzad's alliance that I'll probably be staying with. | ||
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Clemz
United States70 Posts
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On the topic of 10 or 25m raids, I'm up for either one depending on whatever everyone else likes. | ||
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emji
Canada82 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:34 PHILtheTANK wrote: Omg servers are still down, about to kill myself out of boredom. On the topic of 10 or 25m raids, I'm up for either one depending on whatever everyone else likes. They back up bro, three of us on atm. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
:p jk haha. PhiltheTank is not actually a tank, in fact he's quite awful at tanking, so don't be fooled. I just had a bunch of work erase due to program compiler crashing mid-load so GG Torenhire for LFR tonight, probably  | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:41 Torenhire wrote: Shhh let him kill himself anyways! :p jk haha. PhiltheTank is not actually a tank, in fact he's quite awful at tanking, so don't be fooled. I just had a bunch of work erase due to program compiler crashing mid-load so GG Torenhire for LFR tonight, probably It turns out the reason I couldn't get on wasn't because servers were down... but because I still hadn't paid for my acct yet lol. THATS ABOUT TO CHANGE. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On April 04 2012 05:57 robo99 wrote: As a side note, my personal preference is 25s. They have a much more 'epic' feeling when you down that final heroic boss, than 10s do. When you see 25 people doing exactly what they need to do and you get that final boss kill, its a pretty good feeling. Yeah, I agree as well. They do have a more epic feeling and some of my fondest memories of the game are from 40mans. But at this point in time, I doubt they're worth the headache. Here's some of my old guilds videos back when I used to GM/Raidlead. In the vanilla/TBC videoes I'm a rogue (Masquerader) and in the WOTLK videos I'm a holy paladin (Khorium). Yes, I know the shaman in the videos is bad. I couldn't find any burning crusade videos Vanilla Naxx - 4 Horsemen Vanilla Naxx - Kel'thuzad WotLK Icecrown - Heroic Lich King Hope this is getting people interested, we still could use some more players. Send me a PM or come on WoW/Mumble to chat! | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
So worth it. Also Naxx40 was a lot of fun, people complained that the boss encounters were super complicated and shit but I think that was the raid's charm, for myself in any case. | ||
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