EPTSo you could just give your sons some useless provinces you've got left? How I usually play is that I make a kingdom, max out crown authority so vassals can't do shit, and then I start saturating my lands so I only have weak counts as vassals and they're all of my dynasty (or that's what I'm working towards). Would this strategy work, or would it screw with my grapes?
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
So you could just give your sons some useless provinces you've got left? How I usually play is that I make a kingdom, max out crown authority so vassals can't do shit, and then I start saturating my lands so I only have weak counts as vassals and they're all of my dynasty (or that's what I'm working towards). Would this strategy work, or would it screw with my grapes? | ||
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
On July 03 2012 02:24 Euronyme wrote: I actually don't understand. It goes up when you have unlanded sons, is that correct? So you could just give your sons some useless provinces you've got left? How I usually play is that I make a kingdom, max out crown authority so vassals can't do shit, and then I start saturating my lands so I only have weak counts as vassals and they're all of my dynasty (or that's what I'm working towards). Would this strategy work, or would it screw with my grapes? The problem I had with giving dynasty members land was their sons would count to my decadence if they didnt get land. I just land my favorite son so he becomes my heir and noone else from my dynasty. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On July 03 2012 02:24 Euronyme wrote: I actually don't understand. It goes up when you have unlanded sons, is that correct? So you could just give your sons some useless provinces you've got left? How I usually play is that I make a kingdom, max out crown authority so vassals can't do shit, and then I start saturating my lands so I only have weak counts as vassals and they're all of my dynasty (or that's what I'm working towards). Would this strategy work, or would it screw with my grapes? Depending on your rank, it takes more or less land to completely negate the decadence. As a Sultan(King) I believe it takes two counties and duchy to cancel the decadence gain. It is also a double edge sword because the AI seems to struggle with decadence sometimes. So if you put a lot of dynasty members in power and they do a poor job managing their sons/grandson/ect, it's going to hurt you just as much if not more. Because of what I said above, the most common tactic is to avoid it all together and never land anyone other than your desired heir and manage the decadence your other sons give you in other ways. Than once your heir comes into power you can imprison all your siblings(Muslims don't care unless you mess with their direct relatives) and that stops the decadence gain. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
I'm a generally benevolent ruler, but I never lose a fight. The dukes were able to lower Crown Authority to Autonomous Vassals about 50 years ago in Ireland with the support of Scotland (who, infuriatingly, had gotten all of NW Africa and most of Iberia in a Crusade in like 1100 when I still had no idea that the top contributor got the land, which he still holds) which was an insta-loss if I refused. Hadn't had a ruler make it past 35 for a few terms, but my most recent king is hitting his late 40's and getting a lot of support. So then I institute elective monarchy. I figured with an awful heir (who I for some fucking reason couldn't assassinate) and the ducal-relations bump I'd get with the change IN ADDITION to the inevitable inheritance thru a female heir of my conquering France or Lotharingia... well I just felt the time was right. My guy dies at 49 immediately after I press and win some claims in Normandie, my preferred heiress is chosen (but not after some voting scares). Great ruler, decent husband, good claims, my vassals seem to like me. Somehow missed this in the fracas, Duke of Cornwall (Wales) decides to claim Wales with the backing of who else but Scotland. I just quit right there without saving because I was sick and tired of having every damn vassal duke have the ambitious trait. A tale of frustration, but one I will soon rectify. That bitch is going down. I'm throwing down the gauntlet. No more "End Plot" for these dukes. I'm gonna be Queen Genevieve "The Dragon." They WILL be thrown in the oubliette. My first playthrough and it's bringing out all sorts of emotions! I'm certainly learning to not let your dukes become too powerful, but I married some of my family into duchies way early on to get the relations boost. This of course ended up making a shit ton of claims on everything as my dynasty is rampant in the British Isles. Was only ever able to push to Medium Crown Authority, so there's been a lot of infighting. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
I'll give one as an example. Tried playing as the Duke of Dyfed in Wales. Got married, but have no kids so not much I can really do marriage/diplomacy wise. I can press de jure claims on the two territories to the east of me, but have an army around the same size as each of them, and could never actually capture the territory. I assigned my council to do various things, but I'm simply not seeing any avenues for expansion, either through military or diplomacy! I find myself in similar situations with the other games I start. I want to love this game, TL, I really do. It seems so fascinating, and I love strategy and the TW games (can't wait for Rome 2!) and you guys make it seem so awesome, so I would absolutely love to get into this game, I think I just need to break through the initial learning curve to do so, I'm just having trouble doing that, so some basic advice would be really appreciated. Thanks! | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On July 07 2012 00:56 Imperium11 wrote: Alright guys I'm in need of some serious help with this game. In all my many years of gaming, I have never once encountered a game which so thoroughly confuses me. There have been games which have been hard sure, but never any which I simply did not know what to do like this one. I've started a few different games now, and in each of them I find myself sitting around bored, clueless of what I should be doing. I'll give one as an example. Tried playing as the Duke of Dyfed in Wales. Got married, but have no kids so not much I can really do marriage/diplomacy wise. I can press de jure claims on the two territories to the east of me, but have an army around the same size as each of them, and could never actually capture the territory. I assigned my council to do various things, but I'm simply not seeing any avenues for expansion, either through military or diplomacy! I find myself in similar situations with the other games I start. I want to love this game, TL, I really do. It seems so fascinating, and I love strategy and the TW games (can't wait for Rome 2!) and you guys make it seem so awesome, so I would absolutely love to get into this game, I think I just need to break through the initial learning curve to do so, I'm just having trouble doing that, so some basic advice would be really appreciated. Thanks! Start out playing something more powerful is often a good idea. Scotland or one of the Spanish minor states are good ones. Give it some time. Your family is often small in the beginning. They expand exponentially though, and soon you'll have a bigger family than you can keep track of. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
If you want to start a game where there's lots of stuff going on, begin as a king or powerful duke. There will always be wars to fight and always family members to marry off. If my wife hasn't given me any kids in like 6/7 years I'd just kill her off unless her stats are indispensable. A lot of this game's appeal is in using your imagination. The gameplay works well of course, but thinking of your zealous duke hosting a feast with his slotfhul/fat/cynical brother constantly making jibes at him can be entertaining. The inclusion of wikipedia links for characters definitely hints that this is a game designed for the historically-minded. That said, sometimes having a ruler with no kids who refuses to die is pretty boring and just bad luck. It's historically accurate, but would piss me off. Either boot a new game or try making everyone hate you so they plot to kill you and your heir inherits. | ||
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On July 07 2012 01:19 Imperium11 wrote: No, Dyfed is a Duchy, but with no vassals. Maybe I'm just lacking in the creativity needed for this game (or at least for so minor a state) at this point. I'll try someone more powerful. It's pretty ironic that the more powerful ones area easier, in most games its the reverse (given less to manage, etc.). It ends up being tough with no kids & no army & no money. As others said, if you do choose to play as a weak starting character again, the best way to win county vs. county fights is to gain allies that can help you through marriage or to just save up a bunch of gold and hire mercenaries. Personally, starting off with no vassals and only one demesne is really boring, so I always make sure to start as someone a little more powerful to get the ball rolling. If I were to recommend any more powerful rulers, I would recommend Barcelona, Bohemia, Polotsk, or Apulia. They all start with manageable numbers of vassals, the potential to quickly (but not necessarily easily for some) form kingdoms, and in places on the map with a lot of action. Plus, if you play as Bohemia, you can easily install your eldest son to throne of Hungary, although you start off with seniority succession. | ||
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
On July 07 2012 05:11 sharkeyanti wrote: I was going to start a game in that area for my next session, what's made it difficult? You get flooded by muslims right away, I was playing as galicia and an army of 5k attacked me around 1086. Then I tried again, and the same thing happened. Currently I'm playing as ethiopia(abby????) and the entire iberic peninsula is controlled by them. EDIT: I thought it was weird because previously I was able to control leon, portugal, castilla and sevilla with galicia. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On July 08 2012 01:17 Imperium11 wrote: Another question: is it possible to do an amphibious landing on enemy soil? I'm trying to invade Malta, but my troops aren't able to disembark. I did a few quick searches online but couldn't find an answer. Is there any way I can actually take Malta militarily? You shouldn't have any problem landing troops on foreign grounds. Just select the boats they're loaded and right click the province you want them to disembark at. | ||
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
On July 08 2012 01:20 Myles wrote: You shouldn't have any problem landing troops on foreign grounds. Just select the boats they're loaded and right click the province you want them to disembark at. That's exactly what I did. It hasn't let me so far. In the past I've just landed in a territory I control next door and walked over, but this time it's necessary, obviously, as Malta is an island. Instead of a green check mark on the move to cursor when im trying to get the ships to land at Malta, it gives me a red X | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
myles obviously has never launched an amphibious invasion | ||
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
On July 08 2012 01:23 Caller wrote: select the ships, then choose the army (on the ships, its a small tab with # of troops and generals) that you want to disembark, THEN right click on an enemy province. Once you own at least one castle/city/temple of a province, you can dock the ships by just right clicking on the province. myles obviously has never launched an amphibious invasion Thanks, Caller haha. Yeah it was confusing because I had landed the ships by just right clicking after taking one holding. Problem solved. Sicily complete :D | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On July 08 2012 01:23 Caller wrote: select the ships, then choose the army (on the ships, its a small tab with # of troops and generals) that you want to disembark, THEN right click on an enemy province. Once you own at least one castle/city/temple of a province, you can dock the ships by just right clicking on the province. myles obviously has never launched an amphibious invasion I could have sworn you could just right click on the province, but after checking it out, you're right. Somehow I invaded Italy as the ERE and forgot that. | ||
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