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thezanursic
5480 Posts
I know theres like CC, but how competative is it's scene if it has one and I know AoE 2 had a scene, but I think it's dead : / Soo my question is besides BW, SC2 and WC 3 what other competitive RTS games are there around? And with the names game also list what makes it competative and if it's actually worth playing, | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
Not to mention, non-Blizzard RTS games are noticeably lower quality and have more glaring balance problems. The games are less fun, they are less balanced and they don't give you the same competitive satisfaction as a Blizzard RTS. We've all been down this road before, and it always brings you back to the same place: Blizzard RTS games. | ||
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thezanursic
5480 Posts
On December 05 2011 05:44 Mohdoo wrote: None of them have a community prestigious enough to make accomplishments within them feel worthwhile. The problem with playing a game competitively, when you've played a "more competitive" game of the same genre before is that you'll never really feel good about accomplishments in the easier game, since you know its not as good as if you were doing the same in the more competitive game. Not to mention, non-Blizzard RTS games are noticeably lower quality and have more glaring balance problems. The games are less fun, they are less balanced and they don't give you the same competitive satisfaction as a Blizzard RTS. We've all been down this road before, and it always brings you back to the same place: Blizzard RTS games. I agree, but I still love AoE 2 to death :D | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
How about SupCom, I think there's still a lot of people playing that? DOW2 is reasonable competitive, probably still got a fair few players since I see things about tournaments quite often. Also CoH. I'll rack my brains some more... | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
On December 05 2011 06:31 Brutaxilos wrote: I remember when I was really small, I use to play SC while everyone else played a myriad of RTSes like red alert, c&c etc. they use to criticize me for not being open to play the real games. Well, i guess we all know which game wins the RTS award. You just utterly vindicated them. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2514 Posts
On December 05 2011 05:37 thezanursic wrote: Soo do you know any other competative RTS that are still played. I know theres like CC, but how competative is it's scene if it has one and I know AoE 2 had a scene, but I think it's dead : / Soo my question is besides BW, SC2 and WC 3 what other competitive RTS games are there around? And with the names game also list what makes it competative and if it's actually worth playing, Rofl. AoE2 is far from dead. We still have tournaments with large prizepools over at www.aoczone.net, and there's always people to play on Voobly, Garena, and many other LAN Servers. Most of the tip-top players still play, like Chris, Grunt, Kyo and Tim. I dunno why you'd think it's dead. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
As a massive command and conqure fan who owns EVERY game I think I can say that the scene for C&C is all but dead. While Westwood was making the games it was alive but EA was the bullet to the brain | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
The CnC scene is dead but I don't think it was ever that good. | ||
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brichals
Germany50 Posts
Here's my favourite caster for talking through the games complexities, you could check it out. http://www.dowreplays.net/ PS the learning curve is very steep and takes a lot of time to learn, but put 100 or so hours into multiplayer and the game becomes pure awesomeness. | ||
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Tomazi
United Kingdom158 Posts
On December 06 2011 02:41 Kaal wrote: Rofl. AoE2 is far from dead. We still have tournaments with large prizepools over at www.aoczone.net, and there's always people to play on Voobly, Garena, and many other LAN Servers. Most of the tip-top players still play, like Chris, Grunt, Kyo and Tim. I dunno why you'd think it's dead. By grunt, do you mean iamgrunt who used to play Aoe3? Because I loved that guy. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
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Jimmy Raynor
902 Posts
On December 06 2011 23:43 brichals wrote: Dawn of War 2:Retribution is excellent imo. it gets a bad rep for previous bugs and imbalances. I must stress that most of these have been fixed. I think the next patch will solve all (It's already regarded as fairly balanced, just a couple of bugs to fix). The player base is small compared to SC2 of course but it is dedicated and overall improvements are being made to make it easier for new players, organise more tournaments, and put out more content. Gamereplays.org are looking after that and are the main portal for DoW2 stuff. Although the player base is small its easy to get games (especially on European times) and the game is intense and really fun. Also 2v2 and 3v3 are very viable game modes. Actually the gameplay is a bit inbetween a classic RTS and a MOBA game, it's quite unique. Here's my favourite caster for talking through the games complexities, you could check it out. http://www.dowreplays.net/ PS the learning curve is very steep and takes a lot of time to learn, but put 100 or so hours into multiplayer and the game becomes pure awesomeness. How is the delay when playing online DoW 2? I got the last standalone version (where I can only play last stand)and when playing there is big delay | ||
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Kingqway
United States155 Posts
On December 06 2011 23:43 brichals wrote: Dawn of War 2:Retribution is excellent imo. it gets a bad rep for previous bugs and imbalances. I must stress that most of these have been fixed. I think the next patch will solve all (It's already regarded as fairly balanced, just a couple of bugs to fix). The player base is small compared to SC2 of course but it is dedicated and overall improvements are being made to make it easier for new players, organise more tournaments, and put out more content. Gamereplays.org are looking after that and are the main portal for DoW2 stuff. Although the player base is small its easy to get games (especially on European times) and the game is intense and really fun. Also 2v2 and 3v3 are very viable game modes. Actually the gameplay is a bit inbetween a classic RTS and a MOBA game, it's quite unique. PS the learning curve is very steep and takes a lot of time to learn, but put 100 or so hours into multiplayer and the game becomes pure awesomeness. I would have suggested the Dawn of War series however... I literally stopped playing this game couple months back because the imbalances are so glaring that it just wasn't worth playing anymore. The game is _heavily_ balanced around space marines vs chaos, and anyone who plays other races outside them (and imperial guard now), will find themselves extremely frustrated at the game. The game doesn't account for the veterancy bonus of high HP units like tactical marines vs low HP constant req. drain of low HP squads like that of Tyranid and Orks. The game itself has a very great idea, however, I can't see this game evolving into a competitive RTS. All Relic really does is focus on adding more races to an already imbalanced game, because the game prides itself on graphics and the WH40k universe rather than balance and competition. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 06 2011 02:41 Kaal wrote: Rofl. AoE2 is far from dead. We still have tournaments with large prizepools over at www.aoczone.net, and there's always people to play on Voobly, Garena, and many other LAN Servers. Most of the tip-top players still play, like Chris, Grunt, Kyo and Tim. I dunno why you'd think it's dead. but how muchts apm does AoE need? if its 130 + i hope you get hotkeys  like 1-0 | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On December 06 2011 02:41 Kaal wrote: Rofl. AoE2 is far from dead. We still have tournaments with large prizepools over at www.aoczone.net, and there's always people to play on Voobly, Garena, and many other LAN Servers. Most of the tip-top players still play, like Chris, Grunt, Kyo and Tim. I dunno why you'd think it's dead. Ô_Ô didnt know that it was still alive.. I actually downloaded it a few months ago, no way to get it to work on Vista 64bit though  Remember it said something about Direct Draw-support or something like that..Shame, I really enjoyed that game | ||
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brichals
Germany50 Posts
On December 07 2011 00:24 Jimmy Raynor wrote: How is the delay when playing online DoW 2? I got the last standalone version (where I can only play last stand)and when playing there is big delay Delay as in lag? you can get some for sure, more than SC2 because of the player size. It is sometimes forced to match you vs higher ping. It can be about 200-300 ms before it gets unplayable. It's not a massive problem but not as smooth as SC2. The game actually freezes when there is a lag spike so you dont issue commands in the wrong order, hmm I don't know if that's explained well but it's a nifty feature. In SC2 when you get lag the game slows down then speeds up really fast to catch up so you click at wrong times. This doesn't happen with DoW2, but due to the freezing on lag spikes it gets a bit slideshowy. It's more of an annoyance but it's not so common outside of custom 3v3s when you end up playing vs people from all different zones. Steam does disconnect quite often though, that's really annoying I must say. For team games it's better to find a partner you know has a good connection and stick with them for ranked. @kinqway I'm not sure I agree with that. Currently I think all the races have good points. SM is not considered OP really. probably Chaos and Imperial Guard are the ones that come up in polls but it's not a big deal. I would say maybe tyranids were overnerfed but then maybe it's just a case of their meta has to develop. Last patch was a big one and some changes need to be scaled back a bit (SM apothecary regen, some Chaos units are the main issues). but these are well known and already addressed (but the patch is not released yet). If these were fixed I think we wouldn't see much balance complaints anymore. the balance designer has done a good job the last 3 months or so. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On December 07 2011 00:18 Fruscainte wrote: Well, Company of Heroes is by far my favorite Non-Blizzard RTS. I mean, they have no dreamhack or anything -- but there's still quite the crowd out there for it. Perhaps even DoW has something still going. Yea, same here. I find it one of the most exciting to watch competitively too. Not watch competitively, but watch competitive games of. I just find the small scale combat and intense micro situations, along with that excellent cover system and destructible terrain so epic to watch. For everything else there's SC. | ||
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brichals
Germany50 Posts
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
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Kingqway
United States155 Posts
On December 07 2011 02:01 superstartran wrote: CoH was probably the best until they introduced British/Panzer factions. Then shit just got stupid. Kangroo spamming for instance was pretty lame, and British turtling on certain maps was so god awful to play against that you just wanted to quit the game, despite the fact that you were wearing him down slowly. Company of heroes has devolved into an infantry blob war mess. It used to have tactics and would highly reward usage of cover, but now veterancy and infantry spamming has just negated everything. | ||
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