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Fallacy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States227 Posts
October 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#61
On October 12 2011 11:53 EKnaus wrote:
Oh my gosh! This is nostalgic. We should start a TL-based guild and play on the same server :3 Downloading as we speak.

24-hour grind, here I come.

All on Ymir I assume? :x I wonder if it's worth it to get another Alchemist...

I wouldn't mind doing it on Ymir, that is assuming it's free to transfer characters?
Stand up for what you believe in even if it means standing alone.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 12 2011 21:26 GMT
#62
Might download this to stream ): Really don't know. I don't want to be sucked back in D:
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
October 12 2011 21:51 GMT
#63
On October 09 2011 23:49 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 19:23 BrTarolg wrote:
On October 08 2011 18:00 BnK wrote:
I remember when I was playing LK it's so hard to get my build right for PvP, while sinx's would just get +7 infi and EDP OHKO me anyway :/

well my server didn't nerve EDP sigh.


lol edp was never OP

Teamwork is OP in RO

I guess you could say that in high level RO, LK was the most useless class because they cant do enough damage, and whilst they can survive anything they are usually a waste of a party slot
We had one guy who was skilled at LK, but he eventually just switched to pally because he had a tao gunka card

Sinx's seem OP because bad players generally don't have enough game knowledge/gear to deal with them. We actually phased out of sinx's simply because they wern't good enough.
A decently geared + buffed sinx would be able to do a raw of 90k damage EDP, which would get reduced to 60k through linknerf, which then gets reduced pretty much to about 10k in WoE given barebone equips, and then gets FURTHER reduced to about 6k when you are properly buffed/geared
Sinx's were basically great at taking out de-geared and de-buffed players, and this is even including the fact we ran stuff like ring of nibleheim etc.

Compare this to our hwiz's, that had stormgusts of 120k DPS when properly geared, or our asura champs, which had a 200k asura (which will onehit almost anything except for pallies really)

Grimtooth was amazing though because it was status+ranged+AoE+immune to animation stun, and does more DPS than sonic blow

Eventually however we just started running 14 sharpshooters and 4 AD creo's. Thing is it means your no longer restricted by range on your DPS cap. Even though each sharpshoot does a reduced of about 3k, taking 45k reduced DPS is totally impossible to out-pot because you will eventually run out of berries from weightcap

Oh and yeah, if you can't oneshot people, then theres no point in running EDP, because then all it takes is one berry or a couple of potions and you've outpotted it

EDP isn't OP in WoE due to the -40% skill damage, the fact that the frontline is always devo'd, and also the precast between the LPs, which makes it impossible for random SinXs to come in and SB you. Anyway, Champs are better to dive and do OHKO nukes than SinXs. SinX in modern high level WoEs are reduced to being emp breakers and repair/assault on the stone things (mental blank). Most guilds have decent profs and champs who will not let you Grimtooth their guild and just HD you out or ruwach snap asura snap back to LP.

Anyway high level modern WoE presupposes that everyone is using autoscripts/macros, have got optimal gear (other than boss cards) including equips, cards and consumables like boxes, food, speed pots and other buffs. Given the evolution of WoE, individual skill has become pretty unimportant compared with guild teamplay, leadership, having the right classes, having the right third party programs and scripts, and very importantly, having a fast computer and low ping (faster spam with AHK yo). The golden age of WoE when people played for fun, theorycrafting was still primitive and not everyone had a devo/all status immunities, has long passed.

On the topic of LKs, well, they are pretty much useless in the modern metagame. They can't tank, they can't burst, they have no utility. They can only bumrush your LP and hope they don't get focused beforehand. Having said that though, I dislike the sharpshoot sniper guild comp because it's too focused on kiting and a strong LK comp (coincidentally) can easily dive and rape it. There's just not enough single target burst with the sharpshoot strat. Instead, I actually prefer FA snipers over it since they can do a lot of single target dps on a creo or hwiz without reductions, due to aspd song, agi stats, zerk pitch and bragi of course. You'd be surprised how fast creos and hwiz drop (since they've gotten so glass cannony in current metagame) if your prof can catch them with a dispel.

TLDR: modern trans WoE is boring for players who wanna rape face; it's gotten very tactical and team-based. Also LKs are probably the only underpowered job in the current metagame, and sharpshoot strat is a gimmicky thing that somehow took hold in pinoy servers but is actually very dodgy and easy to counte (offensive LP and bumrush (possibly with LK even) too OP).


People actually ran FA comps? Jesus christ isn't that skills the shittest of shit shits that does no dps to one person? That sounds worse than SBK sin >_>

Last i remember the main guilds i know were all running sharpshoot strats, but before that it used to be a very prof/champ fieldbattle base (esp if you have fucking detale)

Taogunka paladin was totally OP though, we were able to break almost any lokis pre with it lol
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:53:58
October 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#64
FA has its uses, if the sniper is built correctly it can put out a decent amount of dps due to it being affected by aspeed delay, enough to at least drop 1 vit chars. However it relies on you being able to work with your OLP/Dispell prof though, its not gonna kill anything under devo lol.

Also the utility it carries being an 18 cel range attack is pretty sweet.
the courage to be a lazy bum
Vestrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 00:15:34
October 12 2011 23:18 GMT
#65
Ymir is the VIP server that has only one free character slot? Or is it 3 as I saw somewhere in this thread?

They're not going to like.. make the free slot P2P after the 6th, are they? Because that's when their new players event ends

:x ??

EDIT: ok it's perma free to play, nevermind me. i'll probably eventually give into them RO urges that are trying to suck me back in, whether it's on iRO or on some other private server.

because you will always go back. always. ALWAYS. fuu
jyisvip
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
October 14 2011 06:07 GMT
#66
Do we have a TL guild yet? Would love some community as well as helping level haha
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
October 14 2011 06:35 GMT
#67
Oh ragnarok.. I used to play it waaaaay back when the first version of iro came out with my brother ZeroCartin. I remember making one of the first character simulators for this game too! Ragna Preview was its name good times!

Yeh, my nick was skullfire
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
patochaos
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina160 Posts
October 14 2011 07:16 GMT
#68
Uff used to play like 5 years ago in private servers.

Even with 3x rates the grind was mind dumbing. Only good thing was I played with my GF and we had fun searching for headgears for her priest. Max I got was a Wizard lvl 8X and Assassin lvl 96, but got bored of murdering seals and could never get an invite to kill the clones in the "new" dungeon.

Anyways, I might give it a try just for nostalgia value. If anyone sets up a guild I might be more motivated to do something.
viva peron
sOda~
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 07:20:33
October 14 2011 07:20 GMT
#69
worst players ever!!!!
IM THE SHIT BITCH
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
October 14 2011 07:22 GMT
#70
On October 14 2011 16:16 patochaos wrote:
Uff used to play like 5 years ago in private servers.

Even with 3x rates the grind was mind dumbing. Only good thing was I played with my GF and we had fun searching for headgears for her priest. Max I got was a Wizard lvl 8X and Assassin lvl 96, but got bored of murdering seals and could never get an invite to kill the clones in the "new" dungeon.

Anyways, I might give it a try just for nostalgia value. If anyone sets up a guild I might be more motivated to do something.


that's unfortunate, when bio labs first came out it was a free ticket to 99 for every assassin because you could just mob and grim. took 'em a while to fix it and change two of them to demon types lol.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 14 2011 07:25 GMT
#71
I keep coming back to this topic hoping to find something to push me over the edge and play again :X
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
sOda~
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom441 Posts
October 14 2011 07:32 GMT
#72
the most important part of this game was to have a cool guild emblem.
IM THE SHIT BITCH
patochaos
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina160 Posts
October 14 2011 07:40 GMT
#73
On October 14 2011 16:22 wooozy wrote:
that's unfortunate, when bio labs first came out it was a free ticket to 99 for every assassin because you could just mob and grim. took 'em a while to fix it and change two of them to demon types lol.


Ah yeah, I played when they already did the fix and there were guys who could see me hiding. So no free lvl up.
What always bothered me about RO (beyond the mindless grinding) was you had to plan your character from lvl 1, else you screwed up on stats at creation screen and had a sub-par char.

Absolutely not newbie friendly.
viva peron
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
October 14 2011 07:52 GMT
#74
On October 14 2011 16:40 patochaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 16:22 wooozy wrote:
that's unfortunate, when bio labs first came out it was a free ticket to 99 for every assassin because you could just mob and grim. took 'em a while to fix it and change two of them to demon types lol.


Ah yeah, I played when they already did the fix and there were guys who could see me hiding. So no free lvl up.
What always bothered me about RO (beyond the mindless grinding) was you had to plan your character from lvl 1, else you screwed up on stats at creation screen and had a sub-par char.

Absolutely not newbie friendly.


You get 1 free stat/skill reset now per character. Also you can buy items to reset skill/stats after that (for real $ or zeny.)

Also, reset stones are now basically free (trade in badges you get from weekly turn ins.) So getting to 3rd job is easier than ever before.
iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
Vestrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada271 Posts
October 14 2011 08:08 GMT
#75
On October 14 2011 16:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
I keep coming back to this topic hoping to find something to push me over the edge and play again :X


no kidding!

This is me:
"No, don't do it! Not on 1.5x rates! The grind will be mindnumbingly awful! And not on officially patched servers! There's no Juperos Dungeon grimtoothing! Also you SAID you wouldn't go back!"

but yet, here I am, checking the thread again
patochaos
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina160 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 09:11:24
October 14 2011 09:06 GMT
#76
I just checked the forums and wikis a bit. Seems the game didnt change too much.
I was hoping for something like when I quit WoW in patch 2.1, and then cameback for the last exp and everything was changed and interesting (for 2 months at least :p)

Now I want to play a mage and they keep suggesting I go firewall/firebolt Argiopes like I did before. Not very interesting.

edit: I found a newbie guide saying it's better to do Eden group quests from 12 to 85. Interesting
viva peron
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 14 2011 15:47 GMT
#77
On October 14 2011 17:08 Vestrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 16:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
I keep coming back to this topic hoping to find something to push me over the edge and play again :X


no kidding!

This is me:
"No, don't do it! Not on 1.5x rates! The grind will be mindnumbingly awful! And not on officially patched servers! There's no Juperos Dungeon grimtoothing! Also you SAID you wouldn't go back!"

but yet, here I am, checking the thread again


rofl same.

I hate the rates, I only do 5x, but more private servers are this donate crap that is just straight-up dumb and poorly working.

But I love the music and the scenery and the slow pace of things ):

what do I doooooo
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Fallacy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States227 Posts
October 14 2011 15:51 GMT
#78
On October 15 2011 00:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 17:08 Vestrel wrote:
On October 14 2011 16:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
I keep coming back to this topic hoping to find something to push me over the edge and play again :X


no kidding!

This is me:
"No, don't do it! Not on 1.5x rates! The grind will be mindnumbingly awful! And not on officially patched servers! There's no Juperos Dungeon grimtoothing! Also you SAID you wouldn't go back!"

but yet, here I am, checking the thread again


rofl same.

I hate the rates, I only do 5x, but more private servers are this donate crap that is just straight-up dumb and poorly working.

But I love the music and the scenery and the slow pace of things ):

what do I doooooo

Get over yourself because leveling is not even remotely as lengthy as it used to be.
Stand up for what you believe in even if it means standing alone.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 14 2011 15:55 GMT
#79
On October 15 2011 00:51 Fallacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
On October 14 2011 17:08 Vestrel wrote:
On October 14 2011 16:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
I keep coming back to this topic hoping to find something to push me over the edge and play again :X


no kidding!

This is me:
"No, don't do it! Not on 1.5x rates! The grind will be mindnumbingly awful! And not on officially patched servers! There's no Juperos Dungeon grimtoothing! Also you SAID you wouldn't go back!"

but yet, here I am, checking the thread again


rofl same.

I hate the rates, I only do 5x, but more private servers are this donate crap that is just straight-up dumb and poorly working.

But I love the music and the scenery and the slow pace of things ):

what do I doooooo

Get over yourself because leveling is not even remotely as lengthy as it used to be.


Neither is my time to devote to a MMO.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:56:45
October 14 2011 15:56 GMT
#80
When I created my warp portal account, and looked at my existing accounts:

Game Account ID :
(not telling)
Date Registered :
07/03/2003


T________T
I was 13 at the time
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