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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19193 Posts
August 28 2015 14:35 GMT
#19341
On August 28 2015 16:44 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 12:55 tofucake wrote:
I hit LE on an alt with like 50 games or something, and I've been in a lot of DMG/LE/LEM games on my main, but it's never been LE.



Mate im sure i used to watch you stream at LE+ level back when i was like a nova shitlord.

yeah I did stream games like that, but they were either on one of my alts or on my stuck-in-DMG-hell main. I remember plenty of games with all LE and LEM but me (which I also won) and never got out of DMG. It's a stupid rank.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 28 2015 15:24 GMT
#19342
http://www.hltv.org/news/15814-nip-release-natu

Natu released from NiP
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
August 28 2015 15:27 GMT
#19343
yehoo so happy that natu is gone.

allu is next.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 28 2015 16:24 GMT
#19344
I have to admit Natu has been around forever and he hasnt really ever done anything to suggest he should be involved at that level. Or did I miss something.

I think he used to play in decent Finish teams like D Sky or Astralis but teams like Rival or even Z3X were a bigger deal than he has ever been.

Maybe he did something in source because I never followed it.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 28 2015 16:55 GMT
#19345
On August 29 2015 00:27 Mensol wrote:
yehoo so happy that natu is gone.

allu is next.

I don't understand why anyone would think that's a good idea. Allu has not been the problem with NiP. Hell, arguably when they released fifflaren they perhaps got rid of their weakest element in terms of individual skill but they had plenty of weaknesses. At this point, none of the 5 players are the best at what they do. Friberg's a very weak player lately, GTR and f0rest are shadows of their former selves and Xizt stepped up his game but no where near the level of the players of top tier team.

Getting rid of Allu leaves 4 players which generally play worse than any player in Fnatic except Pronax. I'd say GTR and f0rest can probably get out of the slump but Friberg and Xizt? Meh... Allu might be Top4 team material IMO.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
August 28 2015 17:04 GMT
#19346
On August 29 2015 01:24 Rebs wrote:
I have to admit Natu has been around forever and he hasnt really ever done anything to suggest he should be involved at that level. Or did I miss something.

I think he used to play in decent Finish teams like D Sky or Astralis but teams like Rival or even Z3X were a bigger deal than he has ever been.

Maybe he did something in source because I never followed it.

I think natu did quite well in 1.6, and he has a lot of experience on the pro level. To me it seems like Natu couldnt really switch up Nips playstyle. It might be because of the team tho, and not just him. Hard to know without being on the inside :DD
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
August 28 2015 17:37 GMT
#19347
On August 29 2015 00:27 Mensol wrote:
yehoo so happy that natu is gone.

allu is next.

Kicking allu would be such a dumb move :DD
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 17:56:01
August 28 2015 17:53 GMT
#19348
Natu leaving is whatever, nothing I've seen from NiP showed that things have changed since he came aboard. While that is definitely not all his fault as the players may not have been listening but he's not the solution either. That said, it is really tough to see anything working out for NiP at the moment. F0rest and GTR have looked poor for a while, Allu shows glimpses of brilliance but it simply isn't consistent enough, Xizt's shot calling hasn't been particularly great and Friberg's entry fragging is nonexistent. Having a better IGL come in and a better entry fragger could wonders though, so Friberg and Xizt are the two I would personally remove first.

On August 29 2015 01:55 Djzapz wrote:
Getting rid of Allu leaves 4 players which generally play worse than any player in Fnatic except Pronax.


Pronax is a good in-game-leader though so that is excusable, Fnatic are so dominant at the moment because they have both level headed shot calling and great players. NiP aren't a top team because their players aren't playing at a top level and their shot calling isn't particularly good.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 18:01:11
August 28 2015 18:00 GMT
#19349
On August 29 2015 02:53 Ysellian wrote:
Pronax is a good in-game-leader though so that is excusable, Fnatic are so dominant at the moment because they have both level headed shot calling and great players. NiP aren't a top team because their players aren't playing at a top level and their shot calling isn't particularly good.

Well on that particular line I was talking specifically about individual skill. I don't think Fnatic should replace Pronax with a better rifler.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 28 2015 19:01 GMT
#19350
Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that NiP hasn't been able to evolve their gameplay. They're still stuck in their 2013 era where they can just win with aim and now they know that isn't the case. We really don't know what Natu did but we do know that Natu didn't help the team evolve just like how EnVyUs evolved, Fnatic evolved, hell even fucking Cloud9 evolved and elevated their level of gameplay. To be quite honest, dropping Maikelele for Allu was a big mistake for NiP; while Maikelele was flashy at some point, he was the person that changed how NiP played. He took risks for the team and inspired the team to do well. And don't forget he was able to be explosive which would help NiP fluctuate their playstyle to be harder to read. Now if you look at Allu, NiP just use him to look for very stale entries; He's not really making the big plays the team needs to get him. Forest and Friberg have been trying to do that but not to the success that NiP needs.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 28 2015 20:20 GMT
#19351
I was mad when NiP kicked out Maikelele but I think the criticism Allu gets is incredibly shortsighted. Neither player could work wonders, but I think that Allu did better than people give him credit for. He bailed NiP out in more than a few games and I don't think he brought anything less than Maikelele did in his time. The switch was not so much a mistake as it was largely pointless, IMO.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
August 28 2015 20:30 GMT
#19352
On August 29 2015 04:01 amazingxkcd wrote:
To be quite honest, dropping Maikelele for Allu was a big mistake for NiP; while Maikelele was flashy at some point, he was the person that changed how NiP played. He took risks for the team and inspired the team to do well. And don't forget he was able to be explosive which would help NiP fluctuate their playstyle to be harder to read. Now if you look at Allu, NiP just use him to look for very stale entries; He's not really making the big plays the team needs to get him. Forest and Friberg have been trying to do that but not to the success that NiP needs.

You have to take note that Allu could, and would do those explosive entries in 3DMax and Mouz. You cant blame Allu for the style hes playing, because hes not the one deciding it
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
August 28 2015 20:52 GMT
#19353
can someone tell me how the ranking works ? it looks like you are moved too fast (or it is because several places are lacking since another huge wave of ban ?)
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
August 28 2015 23:23 GMT
#19354
On August 29 2015 04:01 amazingxkcd wrote:
Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that NiP hasn't been able to evolve their gameplay. They're still stuck in their 2013 era where they can just win with aim and now they know that isn't the case. We really don't know what Natu did but we do know that Natu didn't help the team evolve just like how EnVyUs evolved, Fnatic evolved, hell even fucking Cloud9 evolved and elevated their level of gameplay. To be quite honest, dropping Maikelele for Allu was a big mistake for NiP; while Maikelele was flashy at some point, he was the person that changed how NiP played. He took risks for the team and inspired the team to do well. And don't forget he was able to be explosive which would help NiP fluctuate their playstyle to be harder to read. Now if you look at Allu, NiP just use him to look for very stale entries; He's not really making the big plays the team needs to get him. Forest and Friberg have been trying to do that but not to the success that NiP needs.

This is the perfect summary of what it is.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-31 15:44:28
August 31 2015 15:41 GMT
#19355
What natu said about the team pretty much explains everything.

What took me by surprise was the fact that there were a lot of things outside the game that unfortunately had their toll on actual playing. Things I would have no control over and most of them things I don’t wish to elaborate more on. But what I can say is there were many psychologicly challenging issues. Players you have seen win it all and break records proving to be in a fragile state in terms of self confidence is not something you’d expect to be working with when talking about NiP.



combined with lack of selfconfidence and quite frankly too many players having a challenging period in individual play caused an unfortunate spiral of bad results.
Rest here

They tried solving their problems with two Swedes and now two Finns. Neither is working, so if you still think that kicking natu (and Allu) is the best course of action and the reason NIP isn't performing, you're a moron.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
August 31 2015 16:01 GMT
#19356
On September 01 2015 00:41 Grettin wrote:
What natu said about the team pretty much explains everything.

Show nested quote +
What took me by surprise was the fact that there were a lot of things outside the game that unfortunately had their toll on actual playing. Things I would have no control over and most of them things I don’t wish to elaborate more on. But what I can say is there were many psychologicly challenging issues. Players you have seen win it all and break records proving to be in a fragile state in terms of self confidence is not something you’d expect to be working with when talking about NiP.


Show nested quote +

combined with lack of selfconfidence and quite frankly too many players having a challenging period in individual play caused an unfortunate spiral of bad results.
Rest here

They tried solving their problems with two Swedes and now two Finns. Neither is working, so if you still think that kicking natu (and Allu) is the best course of action and the reason NIP isn't performing, you're a moron.

Yep, the team has much deeper problems than Natu and Allu lol.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
September 01 2015 14:59 GMT
#19357
Haha I just received a mail from ESEA asking me to come back and offering a free month of service.
"We miss you, and in a blatant attempt to buy back your love, we're giving you a free month of ESEA Premium to try out all of the new tweaks and changes since you've been gone."
Pretty funny when the last thing I remembered being told was to fuck off if I didn't like having suspicious stuff installed on my computer with no justification, and that they didn't need the community to make money :>
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
September 01 2015 16:26 GMT
#19358
For now I'm having a hard time not to prefer Faceit, even with their wonky website (but awesome trumpet alarm), to ESEA...
LiquipediaWanderer
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
September 01 2015 16:31 GMT
#19359
I've had an awful experience trying the free faceit ladder (obvious hackers, leavers, 30mn to get a game going because of 1 afk in each match), and I wanted to kill myself when I heard the trumpet thing. Thankfully you can change the alarm sound now, and I'll take that over shady stuff forcefully installed on my pc :D
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
September 01 2015 17:56 GMT
#19360
Does ESEA handle much better hackers and shit?
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