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Hyrule19259 Posts
On August 28 2015 16:44 Capped wrote: Mate im sure i used to watch you stream at LE+ level back when i was like a nova shitlord. yeah I did stream games like that, but they were either on one of my alts or on my stuck-in-DMG-hell main. I remember plenty of games with all LE and LEM but me (which I also won) and never got out of DMG. It's a stupid rank. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Natu released from NiP | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
allu is next. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
I think he used to play in decent Finish teams like D Sky or Astralis but teams like Rival or even Z3X were a bigger deal than he has ever been. Maybe he did something in source because I never followed it. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 29 2015 00:27 Mensol wrote: yehoo so happy that natu is gone. allu is next. I don't understand why anyone would think that's a good idea. Allu has not been the problem with NiP. Hell, arguably when they released fifflaren they perhaps got rid of their weakest element in terms of individual skill but they had plenty of weaknesses. At this point, none of the 5 players are the best at what they do. Friberg's a very weak player lately, GTR and f0rest are shadows of their former selves and Xizt stepped up his game but no where near the level of the players of top tier team. Getting rid of Allu leaves 4 players which generally play worse than any player in Fnatic except Pronax. I'd say GTR and f0rest can probably get out of the slump but Friberg and Xizt? Meh... Allu might be Top4 team material IMO. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:24 Rebs wrote: I have to admit Natu has been around forever and he hasnt really ever done anything to suggest he should be involved at that level. Or did I miss something. I think he used to play in decent Finish teams like D Sky or Astralis but teams like Rival or even Z3X were a bigger deal than he has ever been. Maybe he did something in source because I never followed it. I think natu did quite well in 1.6, and he has a lot of experience on the pro level. To me it seems like Natu couldnt really switch up Nips playstyle. It might be because of the team tho, and not just him. Hard to know without being on the inside :DD | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
On August 29 2015 00:27 Mensol wrote: yehoo so happy that natu is gone. allu is next. Kicking allu would be such a dumb move :DD | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:55 Djzapz wrote: Getting rid of Allu leaves 4 players which generally play worse than any player in Fnatic except Pronax. Pronax is a good in-game-leader though so that is excusable, Fnatic are so dominant at the moment because they have both level headed shot calling and great players. NiP aren't a top team because their players aren't playing at a top level and their shot calling isn't particularly good. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:53 Ysellian wrote: Pronax is a good in-game-leader though so that is excusable, Fnatic are so dominant at the moment because they have both level headed shot calling and great players. NiP aren't a top team because their players aren't playing at a top level and their shot calling isn't particularly good. Well on that particular line I was talking specifically about individual skill. I don't think Fnatic should replace Pronax with a better rifler. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
On August 29 2015 04:01 amazingxkcd wrote: To be quite honest, dropping Maikelele for Allu was a big mistake for NiP; while Maikelele was flashy at some point, he was the person that changed how NiP played. He took risks for the team and inspired the team to do well. And don't forget he was able to be explosive which would help NiP fluctuate their playstyle to be harder to read. Now if you look at Allu, NiP just use him to look for very stale entries; He's not really making the big plays the team needs to get him. Forest and Friberg have been trying to do that but not to the success that NiP needs. You have to take note that Allu could, and would do those explosive entries in 3DMax and Mouz. You cant blame Allu for the style hes playing, because hes not the one deciding it | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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iXphobos
Germany1465 Posts
On August 29 2015 04:01 amazingxkcd wrote: Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that NiP hasn't been able to evolve their gameplay. They're still stuck in their 2013 era where they can just win with aim and now they know that isn't the case. We really don't know what Natu did but we do know that Natu didn't help the team evolve just like how EnVyUs evolved, Fnatic evolved, hell even fucking Cloud9 evolved and elevated their level of gameplay. To be quite honest, dropping Maikelele for Allu was a big mistake for NiP; while Maikelele was flashy at some point, he was the person that changed how NiP played. He took risks for the team and inspired the team to do well. And don't forget he was able to be explosive which would help NiP fluctuate their playstyle to be harder to read. Now if you look at Allu, NiP just use him to look for very stale entries; He's not really making the big plays the team needs to get him. Forest and Friberg have been trying to do that but not to the success that NiP needs. This is the perfect summary of what it is. | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
What took me by surprise was the fact that there were a lot of things outside the game that unfortunately had their toll on actual playing. Things I would have no control over and most of them things I don’t wish to elaborate more on. But what I can say is there were many psychologicly challenging issues. Players you have seen win it all and break records proving to be in a fragile state in terms of self confidence is not something you’d expect to be working with when talking about NiP. combined with lack of selfconfidence and quite frankly too many players having a challenging period in individual play caused an unfortunate spiral of bad results. They tried solving their problems with two Swedes and now two Finns. Neither is working, so if you still think that kicking natu (and Allu) is the best course of action and the reason NIP isn't performing, you're a moron. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
On September 01 2015 00:41 Grettin wrote: What natu said about the team pretty much explains everything. Rest here They tried solving their problems with two Swedes and now two Finns. Neither is working, so if you still think that kicking natu (and Allu) is the best course of action and the reason NIP isn't performing, you're a moron. Yep, the team has much deeper problems than Natu and Allu lol. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
"We miss you, and in a blatant attempt to buy back your love, we're giving you a free month of ESEA Premium to try out all of the new tweaks and changes since you've been gone." Pretty funny when the last thing I remembered being told was to fuck off if I didn't like having suspicious stuff installed on my computer with no justification, and that they didn't need the community to make money :> | ||
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France9034 Posts
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