EPTDazed going big on the iBP internal conflicts. Quite interesting to listen in
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Dazed going big on the iBP internal conflicts. Quite interesting to listen in | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On November 06 2014 13:16 amazingxkcd wrote: Congrats on Rankup!!! As for iBP news, desi is a good player but I'm still curious about the 4th and 5th permanent players. They can't poach from Cloud9 and I'd like to bet that they tried to recruit Relyks since he mentioned on stream that a invite team tried to recruit lately, but he declined to play with Savage still. I'll take that bet. It was probably a middle/low tier invite team that asked him. He has no invite experience and ibp was arguably the best NA team. Isn't he your friend? Desi is definitely one of the top rising players in the NA scene atm. The timing of the roster changes makes no sense; just before some big events. The roster had so much potential. Steel not being on the team seems okay but Dazed being cut doesn't feel right.... | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Dazed and steel are quite emotional players and their emotional play affected AZK/Ska/Swag alot. Dazed did try quite hard to work on his IGL style with how he gave out the tactics to his players, but his main problem was that AZK/Ska/Swag would never actually talk in game nor communicate; only steel was communicating in game with Dazed. How can you play CSGO at the professional level if no one is talking? the other issue was that because of this, people weren't listening to Dazed and would do their own shit, especially on T side. Dazed mentioned that for EWSC and FaceIT Lans, he compiled shit load of hours of analysis on all their opponents on all the maps, but the rest of the team wasn't helping him out with that. He also mentions that the only reason that they all stayed together for so long was that they were having success so the "money" kept them together. Steel mentioned that he "quit" the team 2 months ago because of this problem and Dazed kept trying to make this work, but it looks like the personality clashes finally got to the team + upper management. You got basically what Dazed describes as 3 people against 2 and if you're the manager, who do you kick? most likely the 2 players so you still have the 3 core. From his perspective, he tried quite hard to make the team the best team in the world, but his team wont help him and they "betrayed" him. Note: this is all from Dazed's point of view so take it as you will, but if you look at the way iBP played, he's actually quite right about this. iBP has ridiculous aim so they could just out aim people, but their team cohesion was a mess. One could say that the gambling scandal affected the decisions to cut the players, but would Dazed/Steel really want to tarnish their reputation and throw games? Shahzam might or Moe, but I don't think Dazed would legitimately throw games for skins. But I do agree that this has got to be one of the stupidest decisions that iBP management has ever made. It was obvious that there was team chemistry problems and that it was going for a long time, so why not take time and resources to figure it out and solve the issue? iBP had the potential to be the top team in the world, and they fucked it up themselves and at the worst time too. Plus, if you're going to fire 2 players, at least say why. Neither Dazed nor Steel knows why the fuck they were dropped even if they would leave soon anyways. It's just not professional to not tell someone who you fire/cut the reasons for the cut. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On November 06 2014 15:41 amazingxkcd wrote: Dazed's on stream ama was basically this. Dazed and steel are quite emotional players and their emotional play affected AZK/Ska/Swag alot. Dazed did try quite hard to work on his IGL style with how he gave out the tactics to his players, but his main problem was that AZK/Ska/Swag would never actually talk in game nor communicate; only steel was communicating in game with Dazed. How can you play CSGO at the professional level if no one is talking? the other issue was that because of this, people weren't listening to Dazed and would do their own shit, especially on T side. Dazed mentioned that for EWSC and FaceIT Lans, he compiled shit load of hours of analysis on all their opponents on all the maps, but the rest of the team wasn't helping him out with that. He also mentions that the only reason that they all stayed together for so long was that they were having success so the "money" kept them together. Steel mentioned that he "quit" the team 2 months ago because of this problem and Dazed kept trying to make this work, but it looks like the personality clashes finally got to the team + upper management. You got basically what Dazed describes as 3 people against 2 and if you're the manager, who do you kick? most likely the 2 players so you still have the 3 core. From his perspective, he tried quite hard to make the team the best team in the world, but his team wont help him and they "betrayed" him. Note: this is all from Dazed's point of view so take it as you will, but if you look at the way iBP played, he's actually quite right about this. iBP has ridiculous aim so they could just out aim people, but their team cohesion was a mess. One could say that the gambling scandal affected the decisions to cut the players, but would Dazed/Steel really want to tarnish their reputation and throw games? Shahzam might or Moe, but I don't think Dazed would legitimately throw games for skins. But I do agree that this has got to be one of the stupidest decisions that iBP management has ever made. It was obvious that there was team chemistry problems and that it was going for a long time, so why not take time and resources to figure it out and solve the issue? iBP had the potential to be the top team in the world, and they fucked it up themselves and at the worst time too. Plus, if you're going to fire 2 players, at least say why. Neither Dazed nor Steel knows why the fuck they were dropped even if they would leave soon anyways. It's just not professional to not tell someone who you fire/cut the reasons for the cut. Not surprised. Even the analysts were being critical about the lack of communication between iBP in the Faceit Finals. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8744 Posts
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
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kjwcj
Australia1064 Posts
have never really had that much love for dazed or steel either, but it's crazy to me that in a professional team players would be too timid to even communicate with their teammates. it's amazing they were able to function at all if what dazed said about ibp is true. seems like maybe you can infer some stuff about the current level of cs:go teamplay/strategy if a team that has 3 players who don't communicate or follow t side strats can reach the relatively high level that ibp have in the last 6 months. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On November 06 2014 22:30 Kotreb wrote: Still waiting to hear from azk/skad/swag. If not for rebuttal, then at lest for some explanation. They probably won't have much to say =P...if skadoodle says more than a sentence on stream, it's a big deal lol. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On November 06 2014 22:30 Kotreb wrote: Still waiting to hear from azk/skad/swag. If not for rebuttal, then at lest for some explanation. they can't deal with strong and/or vocal personalities if they add 2 non-vocal, weak personalities, IBP going to die or become very inconsistent | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On November 07 2014 00:22 MassHysteria wrote: They probably won't have much to say =P... See what you did there  | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2044 Posts
Your thoughts? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
That said, Fetish knows a hell of a lot more about CS than I do. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
By "use it well" in pro play, i would consider that the player being in top-form that day. Because really, you have to be spot on with it and if you fuck up, thats a whole lotta nothing you just dropped cash on. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2044 Posts
On November 07 2014 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean it costs as much as cz/armor/flash for just the weapon and I'd agree that it adds variety without being quite so oppressively good as the old CZ was on eco (300$ and pre-accuracy nerf). Basically it actually costs a reasonable amount for the benefit you are getting That said, Fetish knows a hell of a lot more about CS than I do. Yeah, that's roughly how my reasoning goes too. I love how scout allows different kind of peeks and creates different kind of HP math than most guns. In general it's one of the more unique guns in the game if you ask me. I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but I guess you could drop the damage a bit if the gun stays as affordable as it is now. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
Damn, getting an ace on ESEA while starting with 8 hp is pretty satisfying ! | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On November 07 2014 03:04 Bacillus wrote: I ended up watching the IBP Fnatic finals today. On Inferno Fetish was commentating the game and he complained about scout being silly good on ecos. I always thought scout was one of the more interesting (compared to all the CZ monotony at least) possibilities to buy extra punch to eco rounds. Your thoughts? If i can afford it 2nd round, i'll buy the scout otherwise i'll just cz armor | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2044 Posts
On November 07 2014 04:34 amazingxkcd wrote: If i can afford it 2nd round, i'll buy the scout otherwise i'll just cz armor Yeah, I think it's definitely a good pick in many eco rounds. I'm more interested in whether people think it's a good for the overall gameplay to have a gun like scout available. I like it, but Fetish didn't seem too happy about the way it is right now. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On November 07 2014 04:36 killerdog wrote: Any eu ppls wanna come play with a lonely silver? check the spreadsheet and pm the EU people on there. | ||
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