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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 20 2013 00:23 GMT
#8301
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
April 20 2013 01:01 GMT
#8302
Does the tooltip damage (DPS) account for chance to crit/crit multiplier? How do people get like 50k+ dps on their tooltip?
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
April 20 2013 09:45 GMT
#8303
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
April 20 2013 14:35 GMT
#8304
On April 20 2013 18:45 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.

You can start as a melee Marauder and switch to bows around end of Cruel - start of Merciless (right when melee starts getting harder to play). You can use this ExilePro link for some pointers.

That guide focuses on Rain of Arrows but it can be easily modified for LA.

That being said, having played a LA Ranger back in CB, I have to say I like RoA more (despite only getting a RoA character to Cruel before dying due to a retarded alt-tab). It is easy for a LA build to die to off-screen Reflect rares (was way worse when Diamond Flasks were in the game) and tackling "allies cannot die" rares or totems can prove difficult at times (special mention for Lightning Thorns). Once you get used to the small delay of RoA it feels much better.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 20 2013 17:04 GMT
#8305
On April 20 2013 18:45 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.


yeah, i found a build online that sounds similar to what you're doing that i'm following.

all the builds ive seen thus far seem to want reduced mana cost gems, anyone know how to get those/ how rare they are?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 20 2013 17:06 GMT
#8306
On April 21 2013 02:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:45 SlixSC wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.


yeah, i found a build online that sounds similar to what you're doing that i'm following.

all the builds ive seen thus far seem to want reduced mana cost gems, anyone know how to get those/ how rare they are?


They're a quest reward so they're relatively cheap.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
April 20 2013 17:48 GMT
#8307
On April 21 2013 02:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:45 SlixSC wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.


yeah, i found a build online that sounds similar to what you're doing that i'm following.

all the builds ive seen thus far seem to want reduced mana cost gems, anyone know how to get those/ how rare they are?

1 alch to 1 chaos is the price range I've seen for reduced mana.
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SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
April 20 2013 21:41 GMT
#8308
Pretty sure reduced mana works on multiple auras, so if you want to run 3 auras and have a 4 link you can use 3 auras + 1 reduced mana.

I'm running anger and wrath with 1 reduced mana gem and it seems to affect both, so I dont really see why you would ever need mutiple reduced mana gem, unless you want to run 5 or more auras at the same time lol
niuage
Profile Joined October 2011
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 22:32:25
April 20 2013 22:31 GMT
#8309
I've updated poexplorer with a few small features

- searches will default to the Default league. It's better for a majority of players and makes sense. You can register and set your league as Hardcore to change that.
- small improvement for readability, I highlight selects and inputs that are not empty

- and as requested, I added a way to filter out items with a given mod. For CI builds for instance, it's useful to be able to search for items without the +# to max life mod.
ibarcraft.com | poexplorer.com
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
April 20 2013 23:50 GMT
#8310
On April 21 2013 06:41 SlixSC wrote:
Pretty sure reduced mana works on multiple auras, so if you want to run 3 auras and have a 4 link you can use 3 auras + 1 reduced mana.

I'm running anger and wrath with 1 reduced mana gem and it seems to affect both, so I dont really see why you would ever need mutiple reduced mana gem, unless you want to run 5 or more auras at the same time lol

You can run blood magic + reduced mana + non-percentage auras for maximum aura pimpage.
Liquipedia
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
April 21 2013 00:11 GMT
#8311
On April 21 2013 08:50 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 06:41 SlixSC wrote:
Pretty sure reduced mana works on multiple auras, so if you want to run 3 auras and have a 4 link you can use 3 auras + 1 reduced mana.

I'm running anger and wrath with 1 reduced mana gem and it seems to affect both, so I dont really see why you would ever need mutiple reduced mana gem, unless you want to run 5 or more auras at the same time lol

You can run blood magic + reduced mana + non-percentage auras for maximum aura pimpage.


Yeah I'm actually using the blood magic keystone, is it worth using the gem instead of the keystone and use the skill point for something else? I have never tried the blood magic gem before.
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
April 21 2013 00:12 GMT
#8312
On April 21 2013 09:11 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 08:50 Spazer wrote:
On April 21 2013 06:41 SlixSC wrote:
Pretty sure reduced mana works on multiple auras, so if you want to run 3 auras and have a 4 link you can use 3 auras + 1 reduced mana.

I'm running anger and wrath with 1 reduced mana gem and it seems to affect both, so I dont really see why you would ever need mutiple reduced mana gem, unless you want to run 5 or more auras at the same time lol

You can run blood magic + reduced mana + non-percentage auras for maximum aura pimpage.


Yeah I'm actually using the blood magic keystone, is it worth using the gem instead of the keystone and use the skill point for something else? I have never tried the blood magic gem before.

There are builds that use the gem so that they can also run auras. But it depends on your build if the keystone or gem is better.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 02:26:39
April 21 2013 02:13 GMT
#8313
Just raced up to 10th place. All was going really well. Slayed over a million monkeys. Then we went to vaal. I had slept 3 hours in the last 36. And thus i made a critical error. Vaal angry. Vaal smash. RIP Lyapunov
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 02:36:16
April 21 2013 02:34 GMT
#8314
On April 21 2013 09:11 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 08:50 Spazer wrote:
On April 21 2013 06:41 SlixSC wrote:
Pretty sure reduced mana works on multiple auras, so if you want to run 3 auras and have a 4 link you can use 3 auras + 1 reduced mana.

I'm running anger and wrath with 1 reduced mana gem and it seems to affect both, so I dont really see why you would ever need mutiple reduced mana gem, unless you want to run 5 or more auras at the same time lol

You can run blood magic + reduced mana + non-percentage auras for maximum aura pimpage.


Yeah I'm actually using the blood magic keystone, is it worth using the gem instead of the keystone and use the skill point for something else? I have never tried the blood magic gem before.

What Tennet said. It's build dependent.

The drawback of using the blood magic gem lies in the increased cost (245% at min level, 196% at max level). So you'll be using more life if you're linked to a skill, and more life will be reserved for non-percentage auras. The benefit of this route is that you get to use those delicious percentage auras like Determination and Purity.

Edit: Also, that blood magic gem takes up a socket. This can severely reduce dps.
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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
April 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#8315
How the heck can you compensate for really bad drops in a race as melee? Started out as a melee Marauder, but by mid A3 normal the best weapon I have found was a 2h that had 3-31 Lightning damage. I was constantly using all the Alts trying to get something decent, but barely managed to get to acceptable health and resist levels. Zero good 2h, bad 1h for ele Cleave (combined with the lack of elemental damage on the rest of gear, low rolls on weapons and the lack of Dex nodes by that level).
coopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States144 Posts
April 21 2013 15:53 GMT
#8316
On April 21 2013 21:59 akatama wrote:
How the heck can you compensate for really bad drops in a race as melee? Started out as a melee Marauder, but by mid A3 normal the best weapon I have found was a 2h that had 3-31 Lightning damage. I was constantly using all the Alts trying to get something decent, but barely managed to get to acceptable health and resist levels. Zero good 2h, bad 1h for ele Cleave (combined with the lack of elemental damage on the rest of gear, low rolls on weapons and the lack of Dex nodes by that level).


Yeah playing elecleave or some form of melee build during a race is op as fk if u get good weapons/gear but if not ur pretty much screwed for the tough mobs/bosses. That's one of the perks of racing in a group i suppose, as people can just share loot and it makes it much more likely you'll get atleast something pretty good
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
April 21 2013 17:21 GMT
#8317
On April 21 2013 02:48 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 02:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 18:45 SlixSC wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.


yeah, i found a build online that sounds similar to what you're doing that i'm following.

all the builds ive seen thus far seem to want reduced mana cost gems, anyone know how to get those/ how rare they are?

1 alch to 1 chaos is the price range I've seen for reduced mana.


Aside from the chaos damage snakes and flamethrower dogs, 2H marauder with lots of life was much easier for me than my witch.

Quality on reduced mana gives 0.5% reduced mana cost per % quality, so a lvl 20 with 20% quality reduces the cost to 61% of base. I would try for one of these, though it might be really expensive. You can get a few regular reduced mana gems as quest rewards for strength classes, especially the marauder.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 21:56:33
April 21 2013 21:35 GMT
#8318
On April 22 2013 02:21 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 02:48 Spazer wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 18:45 SlixSC wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:20 RuskiPanda wrote:
On April 20 2013 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
holy wow

ranger/witch so much easier to play than templar (and maybe other melees).


You don't have to play templar as a melee.


true, but playing as ranged feels sooo much easier. its ridiculous.


Well, marauder ground slam with lots of health is probably the easiest build. But I prefer my 73 ranger (lightning arrow/m. projectiles/chain/lifel.) and it's almost as easy.


yeah, i found a build online that sounds similar to what you're doing that i'm following.

all the builds ive seen thus far seem to want reduced mana cost gems, anyone know how to get those/ how rare they are?

1 alch to 1 chaos is the price range I've seen for reduced mana.


Aside from the chaos damage snakes and flamethrower dogs, 2H marauder with lots of life was much easier for me than my witch.

Quality on reduced mana gives 0.5% reduced mana cost per % quality, so a lvl 20 with 20% quality reduces the cost to 61% of base. I would try for one of these, though it might be really expensive. You can get a few regular reduced mana gems as quest rewards for strength classes, especially the marauder.


The quality on the reduced mana gem doesn't work on auras which is what most people use them for.

On April 21 2013 21:59 akatama wrote:
How the heck can you compensate for really bad drops in a race as melee? Started out as a melee Marauder, but by mid A3 normal the best weapon I have found was a 2h that had 3-31 Lightning damage. I was constantly using all the Alts trying to get something decent, but barely managed to get to acceptable health and resist levels. Zero good 2h, bad 1h for ele Cleave (combined with the lack of elemental damage on the rest of gear, low rolls on weapons and the lack of Dex nodes by that level).


Sometimes you have to spend that extra few minutes farming a key zone even though it seems like a waste of time. It turns out to be a net gain when you pick up a sick weapon.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
April 21 2013 23:15 GMT
#8319
On April 22 2013 06:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Sometimes you have to spend that extra few minutes farming a key zone even though it seems like a waste of time. It turns out to be a net gain when you pick up a sick weapon.

Note: I'm talking about the 1 week race.

Spent maybe 90-120 mins combined of farming Western Forest, Vaal Ruins, even cleared the Cave once for the quest hoping the rare belt would be half decent. I only had 2 nice drops in total: a 80 health rare Leather Belt (second stat was garbage), second was a double resist + life armor chest from the warehouse Sewers.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
April 22 2013 04:42 GMT
#8320
So, how do you learn what items are worth? I've tried to 'start trading' but it hasn't been helping me much. I just get ripped off and don't know about it (Except once. That fella was nice, he let me know that spelldmg+cast speed is worth a bunch.. after he bought my wand of course).

Usually I can tell if an item is exceptionally good (like multiple exa territory), with the exception of jewellery which follows its own weird rules. But what about those mediocre, chaos-territory items?

Here's one I'm trying to price:
+ Show Spoiler +
Armour: 441 (augmented)
Evasion Rating: 441 (augmented)
--------
Requirements:
Level: 52 (unmet)
Str: 73 (unmet)
Dex: 73 (unmet)
--------
Sockets: R R-R-R
--------
Itemlevel: 68
--------
125% increased Armour and Evasion == could be 176. 1st and 2nd prefix.
+77 to maximum Life == could be 109. 3rd prefix
2.8 Life Regenerated per second == 1st suffix, shit.
+15% to Cold Resistance == 2nd suffix, shit.
+30% to Chaos Resistance == 3rd suffix, great.
14% increased Block and Stun Recovery == part of ar/eva


Here's my reasoning on this item: out of the 3 prefixes, all are good. But rolls are shit. Life max is 109 and ar/eva can max out at 176. If they were 80s/90s and 150s then it'd be a good item I think. But there's no room for a flat armor prefix (can those roll on hybrids?) so the defense stats suck.
There's one good suffix (max chaos roll), and the other two are shit. No exalt potential here. Sockets/links are shit.

How would you price it?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
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