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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 02 2017 16:52 GMT
#23921
Just keep in mind that buff/nerf percentages talk about area and not radius. Differences might be less dramatic than you would expect.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 02 2017 17:32 GMT
#23922
Yup. The BV AoE buff is pretty small. Goes from 23 to 26 radius if you pick up Witch AoE and lvl 20 AoE gem according to http://poecraft.com/legacy/aoenerf. Not exactly sure why it needed a buff at all, but w/e.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 02 2017 17:37 GMT
#23923
Honestly if I was starting this league in HC I think i'd play RF totems after the AoE change (probably as hierophant for invincibility). Think i'll be playing SC though.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 18:26:13
March 02 2017 18:20 GMT
#23924
Anyone knows what's the calculation for a setup with Avatar of fire, cold to fire, hatred molten strike ? As in there's no portion of initial damage lost ?

Also RIP Blood of the Karui + Divination Distillate combo ;_;
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 18:28:48
March 02 2017 18:20 GMT
#23925
CI Incandescent Heart Voltaxic Assassin.

60% lightning to chaos, 20% ele added as chaos. Grats, Voltaxic back at its former glory. Also casual 1k armor.

Darkscorn would be cool there too for 25% less dmg taken from all sources but I think the dps is still too low on that bow.

e: Also works with Spark obviously so there's another build that can be brought back from the grave.

e2: Also double consuming dark for effectively 80% fire to chaos.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 18:55:46
March 02 2017 18:34 GMT
#23926
Also pretty sure I just made a build with 90/90/91 res, 35k armor, 75/75 block, 8.5k es while doing 200k ish dps or so for map purposes, required a 5L Shav as the only expensive piece.
Edit: actually around 43k armor with 0 piece of amour on gear lol

Setup can be switched a bit to lose 2k es but become 99/99/100 res.

Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 02 2017 18:37 GMT
#23927
On March 03 2017 03:20 vndestiny wrote:
Anyone knows what's the calculation for a setup with Avatar of fire, cold to fire, hatred molten strike ? As in there's no portion of initial damage lost ?

Also RIP Blood of the Karui + Divination Distillate combo ;_;

yeah you'd get full everything but hatred + cold to fire isnt even better than just added fire as a link and it's not like you need more links with multistrike, wed, added fire, fire pen, etc
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 18:50:45
March 02 2017 18:42 GMT
#23928
On March 03 2017 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 03:20 vndestiny wrote:
Anyone knows what's the calculation for a setup with Avatar of fire, cold to fire, hatred molten strike ? As in there's no portion of initial damage lost ?

Also RIP Blood of the Karui + Divination Distillate combo ;_;

yeah you'd get full everything but hatred + cold to fire isnt even better than just added fire as a link and it's not like you need more links with multistrike, wed, added fire, fire pen, etc


I have 66% buffed hatred though :D.

With the new molten strike threshold jewel is GMP still necessary ?

molten strike - cold to fire - fire pen - wed - multistrike - (added fire) ?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 02 2017 18:51 GMT
#23929
You'll still get more damage from hatred + added fire than hatred + cold to fire I think
gmp is bad considering 2 of new jewel
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 19:01:43
March 02 2017 18:59 GMT
#23930
On March 03 2017 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
You'll still get more damage from hatred + added fire than hatred + cold to fire I think
gmp is bad considering 2 of new jewel


Yeah true, around 10% of base dmg added lower it seems. They should end up to around roughly equal with TOH though I think.
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany826 Posts
March 02 2017 19:08 GMT
#23931
Has anybody actually tried to start as Templar/Spark without having all the vaal spark mandatory jewels and everything ? Like.. can you play regular spark and then, once rich enough, just transition or is this a recipe for regret and self-hate ?

I kinda want to play one, but I feel it would be super slow before everything is in place.
If I dont come up with something better (or can make spark kinda work as starter), I`ll probably just go warchief 2-hander berserker again. I enjoyed that one a lot in breach.

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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 02 2017 19:26 GMT
#23932
On March 03 2017 04:08 Espelz wrote:
Has anybody actually tried to start as Templar/Spark without having all the vaal spark mandatory jewels and everything ? Like.. can you play regular spark and then, once rich enough, just transition or is this a recipe for regret and self-hate ?

I kinda want to play one, but I feel it would be super slow before everything is in place.
If I dont come up with something better (or can make spark kinda work as starter), I`ll probably just go warchief 2-hander berserker again. I enjoyed that one a lot in breach.



Leveling as spark is certainly a recipe for regret and self hate. You should be able to level as shock nova or lightning tendrils and transition when you've got the gear.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
March 02 2017 19:38 GMT
#23933
On March 03 2017 04:08 Espelz wrote:
Has anybody actually tried to start as Templar/Spark without having all the vaal spark mandatory jewels and everything ? Like.. can you play regular spark and then, once rich enough, just transition or is this a recipe for regret and self-hate ?

I kinda want to play one, but I feel it would be super slow before everything is in place.
If I dont come up with something better (or can make spark kinda work as starter), I`ll probably just go warchief 2-hander berserker again. I enjoyed that one a lot in breach.


I wouldn't recommend starting as it unless you are very patient at grinding / good at flipping for currency. In my personal experience spark feels very crappy until you hit a certain breakpoint of crit / attack speed (for whirling/shield charge).
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 02 2017 19:40 GMT
#23934
On March 03 2017 04:08 Espelz wrote:
Has anybody actually tried to start as Templar/Spark without having all the vaal spark mandatory jewels and everything ? Like.. can you play regular spark and then, once rich enough, just transition or is this a recipe for regret and self-hate ?

I kinda want to play one, but I feel it would be super slow before everything is in place.
If I dont come up with something better (or can make spark kinda work as starter), I`ll probably just go warchief 2-hander berserker again. I enjoyed that one a lot in breach.


Flame Blast Totems/Bladefall Totems are both the smarter choice to start out imo, then transition with one chill of corruption and one sacrificial harvest minimum once you can swap to CI.

Less than that and you'll be sad most likely.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 19:41:41
March 02 2017 19:40 GMT
#23935
On March 03 2017 04:26 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 04:08 Espelz wrote:
Has anybody actually tried to start as Templar/Spark without having all the vaal spark mandatory jewels and everything ? Like.. can you play regular spark and then, once rich enough, just transition or is this a recipe for regret and self-hate ?

I kinda want to play one, but I feel it would be super slow before everything is in place.
If I dont come up with something better (or can make spark kinda work as starter), I`ll probably just go warchief 2-hander berserker again. I enjoyed that one a lot in breach.



Leveling as spark is certainly a recipe for regret and self hate. You should be able to level as shock nova or lightning tendrils and transition when you've got the gear.


shock nova is actually a pretty decent idea considering the aoe nodes are just right there, and shock nova got changed to have overall better damage (well, less for that additional outer ring damage, but I still think its overall a buff and makes it more consistent.)

I might try that.
Or just do totems to level and spend a few regrets on top of my 18 refund points if nova doesnt work out.


Edit: as I just saw your post evo... is bladefall totems comparable to FB totem speedwise ?
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 20:44:36
March 02 2017 20:41 GMT
#23936
FB totem is faster than BF totem, but BF totem is very good for leveling still.

I'd say Shock Nova might be better for leveling, but at gem lvl 15 and over there is 0 incentive to use Shock Nova as LT has the same (more) radius and the best DPS of any Lightning Spell (outside of Discharge builds). Both of them probably won't nearly reach the leveling speed of FB totem or even BF totem though.

Also man, I totally forgot they changed the staff crit nodes. Wtf, it's crazily easy to get high crit chance with just the left passive tree crit nodes if you play Hegemony's Era. Using that with Molten Strike as Inquisitor must be busted DPS for farming bosses.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 02 2017 20:49 GMT
#23937
What would you even do for trash clear as a staff build now though? Sunder? Earthquake is absolutely tiny
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 20:55:18
March 02 2017 20:53 GMT
#23938
On March 03 2017 05:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
What would you even do for trash clear as a staff build now though? Sunder? Earthquake is absolutely tiny

Sweep. The range even got buffed a little (assuming low/no AoE nodes). Already was awesome before. For leveling at least.

Later you probably want to use Ice Crash, as that also has Elemental Conversion which helps as Inquisitor. Static Strike might also be a possibility, range got buffed a bit. It's still tiny though. So yeah, no godlike clear speed. But at least you have godlike ST with Molten Strike.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 02 2017 21:31 GMT
#23939
You guys ready for the league of wanders?

Kinetic blast in a 4link, barrage in a 6link. Ele wanders are back baby!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 21:44:37
March 02 2017 21:37 GMT
#23940
I think most people will play Flameblast, followed by bow builds (KotF and Ele builds). Lots of Zombie builds too probably.

Speaking of KB. Some guy posted a KB totem vid on reddit just now, looks very good.

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