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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 05 2012 01:35 Rebs wrote:
Please the only people who gave a shit about the cup winners cup were the ones who won it. Even teams like Everton and West Ham have won it.
Troll Barcelona won it the most...Man Utd Real Madrid Arsenal all have won it too
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On April 05 2012 02:00 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 00:17 Rebs wrote:On April 04 2012 23:14 Megatronn wrote:On April 04 2012 23:02 Rebs wrote:On April 04 2012 18:40 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 17:11 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 09:24 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 08:54 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 08:21 Kotreb wrote:
this really was the true display of barca. little help of the refs (can't deny that), a little bit of diving and acting, little bit of bitching around and viola!
i used to be neutral on barca, but this season really changed my mind for the worse about them. they keep blaming everyone but themselves whenever things don't go their way. take a look at the first game against the milan, they complained about not getting 2 penalties but they also forgot to mention that they should've picked up at least one red card (most likely two) and that pitch thing...that was just ridiculous...
they truly do play great football but this whole thing is just a disgrace. and for those butthurt barca fans, remember motta-busquets thing...
and you got to wonder where is platini now with his "HC" stance on cheaters and divers? You know nothing, Jon Snow. What was a disgrace to sports was the obvious rig on the OL thing. Even Ajax got robbed off two obvious penalties against Madrid to make it possible lol. Nice to see so much barça hate for "ref helps" (you missed the yellow card penalti on Puyol in Milan which the ref clearly saw) while this shit happened and no one gave a single fuck; so awesome. Oh and the field. Defending that shit as ok truly is ridiculous. this isn't about Madrid or the help they got from the refs, i'm not commenting about that,and why do you automatically suppose that i'm Madrid fan? (i'm Valencia fan) about that penalty, it could've been called, but if you're going by that standard than barca should've got red cards for their fouls if you're going to stick by that criteria of judging? and can you honestly say that barca didn't had any help from refs? and not to forget when iniesta threw himself like he was hit by a train... and the field thing, everyone could see that field intentionally got worse every time barca tried to pass the ball and magically became wonderful when Milan passed around. every idiot could see that. i swear that at one point i could see the grass trying to give xavi a wedgie. Red cards against barça? For what, being good at football? I actually think you were trolling the whole time now. Btw Barça B got a few weeks ago the trophy to fair play for the second time in a row. Also, Barça has been consistently the team with less fouls in la Liga since Guardiola arrived. If you recall Keita should've gotten two yellow cards in that game and mascherano at least one along with puyol. @Rebs i'm Valencia fan since '97, and i'm not hurt about Valencia being or not being in CL, i'm just saddened that team who plays such a good football can act so shameful sometimes. Glad you managed the see the sarcasm in my post about passing. Besides, if you're one of the top 2-3 teams in the world, isn't it expected a bit that you can adapt to game and pitch conditions? I was just trolling back. Dont get so defensive. And yes if you had actually bothered to read some of the thread rather than hop in you would know that it is well accepted even here that it is not an excuse. You should be able to adapt to all conditions absolutely and Barca themselves will tell you that, Guardiola is on record for a similar statement. . That doesnt excuse the conditions themselves. A high standard of pitch is expected in champions league football, it was not provided. End of discussion.Everybody acts shamefully. It just seems to be the case that the best ones get accused of it because some different set of puritan standards are applied to them. This arguement is circular and has been made many times already and refuted quite reasonably as well, cba to dig up posts to explain it over and over. (edit: although it appears Drone decided to do it anyway, to some extent.) Feel free to believe what you will. Tired of every few months a smartass hops in the thread and repeats the same stupid discussed to death arguement over and over again. Didn't a couple delegates from Uefa and the referees picked by Uefa deem the pitch to be fine for the match ? I never really understood how they could lodge the compliment if representatives of Uefa said it was ok to play on. Yea they did didnt they, UEFA also have assistant judges standing by the touchline behind goals that dont do anything. Whats your point ? That players just decided to slip and slide erratically because they wanted an excuse. The duvets falling out as if every patch of grass had terrible golf players swinging all over the pitch was clearly an indiciation that the players were digging theyre feet to hard, they should learn to play football as if they were skating. Anyway I dont see why this discussion is even worth making. It was clear the pitch was substandard and shouldnt have been green lit. Clearly the bureaucracy thought otherwise. Nitpicking stupid things is an unreasonable arguement. The pitch was fine because it wasn't dangerous. The only thing it wasn't fine for is passing football - but you have to adapt to your surroundings, that's part of football. Soon people will be arguing that we shouldn't play when it is raining (pitch is too waterlogged for passing football qq) or something equally ludicrous. Barca didn't win and looked for excuses - they were like the kid on ladder who BMs you because you all-inned them when they were being greedy.
A water logged pitch when its raining is outside your control. A pitch prepared in a manner where duvets are flying out and players are slipping all over the place despite being layed out a few days before is a different matter, that is very much in your control.
Please that is a terrible analogy. And again its absolutely dangerous when something within your control is not fixed and players are slipping its very very dangerous. A twist here or there and game over. The issue is not that it was a bad pitch. Its that its a bad pitch for no good reason.
If there is a good reason why the pitch is like that then all MIlan has to do is come out and say well yea we had so and so problem sorry. Saying it was perfectly fine given the evidence is just flat out lying.
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On April 04 2012 18:40 Kotreb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 17:11 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 09:24 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 08:54 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 08:21 Kotreb wrote:
this really was the true display of barca. little help of the refs (can't deny that), a little bit of diving and acting, little bit of bitching around and viola!
i used to be neutral on barca, but this season really changed my mind for the worse about them. they keep blaming everyone but themselves whenever things don't go their way. take a look at the first game against the milan, they complained about not getting 2 penalties but they also forgot to mention that they should've picked up at least one red card (most likely two) and that pitch thing...that was just ridiculous...
they truly do play great football but this whole thing is just a disgrace. and for those butthurt barca fans, remember motta-busquets thing...
and you got to wonder where is platini now with his "HC" stance on cheaters and divers? You know nothing, Jon Snow. What was a disgrace to sports was the obvious rig on the OL thing. Even Ajax got robbed off two obvious penalties against Madrid to make it possible lol. Nice to see so much barça hate for "ref helps" (you missed the yellow card penalti on Puyol in Milan which the ref clearly saw) while this shit happened and no one gave a single fuck; so awesome. Oh and the field. Defending that shit as ok truly is ridiculous. this isn't about Madrid or the help they got from the refs, i'm not commenting about that,and why do you automatically suppose that i'm Madrid fan? (i'm Valencia fan) about that penalty, it could've been called, but if you're going by that standard than barca should've got red cards for their fouls if you're going to stick by that criteria of judging? and can you honestly say that barca didn't had any help from refs? and not to forget when iniesta threw himself like he was hit by a train... and the field thing, everyone could see that field intentionally got worse every time barca tried to pass the ball and magically became wonderful when Milan passed around. every idiot could see that. i swear that at one point i could see the grass trying to give xavi a wedgie. Red cards against barça? For what, being good at football? I actually think you were trolling the whole time now. Btw Barça B got a few weeks ago the trophy to fair play for the second time in a row. Also, Barça has been consistently the team with less fouls in la Liga since Guardiola arrived. If you recall Keita should've gotten two yellow cards in that game and mascherano at least one along with puyol.@Rebs i'm Valencia fan since '97, and i'm not hurt about Valencia being or not being in CL, i'm just saddened that team who plays such a good football can act so shameful sometimes. Glad you managed the see the sarcasm in my post about passing. Besides, if you're one of the top 2-3 teams in the world, isn't it expected a bit that you can adapt to game and pitch conditions?
If you recall also one can make an argument about Ambrosini and Nesta, both deserved reds in both legs, the 2 penalties in the 1st leg are not mentioned now anymore . Thats what happens if you turn a blind eye to decisions against Barca wich I have seen over the past years. I really coudln't believe after seeing both deserved penalties people afterwards mounting this ref being Barca-biased.. Typical anti-Barca rhetoric, not much of it is grounded in reality, just pure bias.
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On April 05 2012 02:34 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 18:40 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 17:11 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 09:24 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 08:54 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 08:21 Kotreb wrote:
this really was the true display of barca. little help of the refs (can't deny that), a little bit of diving and acting, little bit of bitching around and viola!
i used to be neutral on barca, but this season really changed my mind for the worse about them. they keep blaming everyone but themselves whenever things don't go their way. take a look at the first game against the milan, they complained about not getting 2 penalties but they also forgot to mention that they should've picked up at least one red card (most likely two) and that pitch thing...that was just ridiculous...
they truly do play great football but this whole thing is just a disgrace. and for those butthurt barca fans, remember motta-busquets thing...
and you got to wonder where is platini now with his "HC" stance on cheaters and divers? You know nothing, Jon Snow. What was a disgrace to sports was the obvious rig on the OL thing. Even Ajax got robbed off two obvious penalties against Madrid to make it possible lol. Nice to see so much barça hate for "ref helps" (you missed the yellow card penalti on Puyol in Milan which the ref clearly saw) while this shit happened and no one gave a single fuck; so awesome. Oh and the field. Defending that shit as ok truly is ridiculous. this isn't about Madrid or the help they got from the refs, i'm not commenting about that,and why do you automatically suppose that i'm Madrid fan? (i'm Valencia fan) about that penalty, it could've been called, but if you're going by that standard than barca should've got red cards for their fouls if you're going to stick by that criteria of judging? and can you honestly say that barca didn't had any help from refs? and not to forget when iniesta threw himself like he was hit by a train... and the field thing, everyone could see that field intentionally got worse every time barca tried to pass the ball and magically became wonderful when Milan passed around. every idiot could see that. i swear that at one point i could see the grass trying to give xavi a wedgie. Red cards against barça? For what, being good at football? I actually think you were trolling the whole time now. Btw Barça B got a few weeks ago the trophy to fair play for the second time in a row. Also, Barça has been consistently the team with less fouls in la Liga since Guardiola arrived. If you recall Keita should've gotten two yellow cards in that game and mascherano at least one along with puyol.@Rebs i'm Valencia fan since '97, and i'm not hurt about Valencia being or not being in CL, i'm just saddened that team who plays such a good football can act so shameful sometimes. Glad you managed the see the sarcasm in my post about passing. Besides, if you're one of the top 2-3 teams in the world, isn't it expected a bit that you can adapt to game and pitch conditions? If you recall also one can make an argument about Ambrosini and Nesta, both deserved reds in both legs, the 2 penalties in the 1st leg are not mentioned now . Thats what happens if you turn a blind eye to decisions against Barca. I really coudln't believe after seeing both deserved penalties people afterwards mounting this ref being Barca0biased.. Typical anti-Barca rhetoric, not much of it is grounded in reality, just pure bias.
Name me 1 time that the ref killed Barcelona in an important match in recent years?
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Against Inter, Milito offside goal, Bojan wrongly disallowed goal. And a lot of game changing decisions , Abidal red card in Stanford Bridge for Anelka tripping himself, vs Arsenal wrongly disallowed goal by Messi, red card appeal for Song, penalty by Djorou on Messi, etc. Its pretty obvious that the team that loses will complain and the winning team noramlly will ignore all the decisions against them because they are irrelevant.
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Stop this pointless discussion already. Barca was better, and those two penalties were correct. And no, I'm definitely not a Barcalona fan. On the contrary, I strongly dislike them, and I wanted Milan to advance but you can't deny the fact that they deserved to win in the end.
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On April 05 2012 02:34 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 18:40 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 17:11 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 09:24 Kotreb wrote:On April 04 2012 08:54 Salteador Neo wrote:On April 04 2012 08:21 Kotreb wrote:
this really was the true display of barca. little help of the refs (can't deny that), a little bit of diving and acting, little bit of bitching around and viola!
i used to be neutral on barca, but this season really changed my mind for the worse about them. they keep blaming everyone but themselves whenever things don't go their way. take a look at the first game against the milan, they complained about not getting 2 penalties but they also forgot to mention that they should've picked up at least one red card (most likely two) and that pitch thing...that was just ridiculous...
they truly do play great football but this whole thing is just a disgrace. and for those butthurt barca fans, remember motta-busquets thing...
and you got to wonder where is platini now with his "HC" stance on cheaters and divers? You know nothing, Jon Snow. What was a disgrace to sports was the obvious rig on the OL thing. Even Ajax got robbed off two obvious penalties against Madrid to make it possible lol. Nice to see so much barça hate for "ref helps" (you missed the yellow card penalti on Puyol in Milan which the ref clearly saw) while this shit happened and no one gave a single fuck; so awesome. Oh and the field. Defending that shit as ok truly is ridiculous. this isn't about Madrid or the help they got from the refs, i'm not commenting about that,and why do you automatically suppose that i'm Madrid fan? (i'm Valencia fan) about that penalty, it could've been called, but if you're going by that standard than barca should've got red cards for their fouls if you're going to stick by that criteria of judging? and can you honestly say that barca didn't had any help from refs? and not to forget when iniesta threw himself like he was hit by a train... and the field thing, everyone could see that field intentionally got worse every time barca tried to pass the ball and magically became wonderful when Milan passed around. every idiot could see that. i swear that at one point i could see the grass trying to give xavi a wedgie. Red cards against barça? For what, being good at football? I actually think you were trolling the whole time now. Btw Barça B got a few weeks ago the trophy to fair play for the second time in a row. Also, Barça has been consistently the team with less fouls in la Liga since Guardiola arrived. If you recall Keita should've gotten two yellow cards in that game and mascherano at least one along with puyol.@Rebs i'm Valencia fan since '97, and i'm not hurt about Valencia being or not being in CL, i'm just saddened that team who plays such a good football can act so shameful sometimes. Glad you managed the see the sarcasm in my post about passing. Besides, if you're one of the top 2-3 teams in the world, isn't it expected a bit that you can adapt to game and pitch conditions? If you recall also one can make an argument about Ambrosini and Nesta, both deserved reds in both legs, the 2 penalties in the 1st leg are not mentioned now anymore . Thats what happens if you turn a blind eye to decisions against Barca wich I have seen over the past years. I really coudln't believe after seeing both deserved penalties people afterwards mounting this ref being Barca-biased.. Typical anti-Barca rhetoric, not much of it is grounded in reality, just pure bias.
probably, i'm not denying that. i'm trying to point out that considering the ref criteria keita should've got red card. nad if you're going by that criteria second penalty could've been awarded to barca, but it also didn't had to be.
and about your anti-barca rhetoric, here, read this READ ME!!!
i'm not claiming that barca didn't deserved to pass, but the manner in which she passed is sad.
and about that second penalty hurr a little excerpt: "We didn't complain on penalties on the first leg." Now if my memory serves me correct, they did make a fuss about those penalties...
And about the second penalty last night; ok, if it's in the rule book award the penalty (when the ball is in play), but than also award milan penalty for foul on ibra and stick by your refereeing standard you set.
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Yea were using Goal.com as a source now. Please anymore TMZ and theyll be talking about Paris Hiltons latest escapade. What fuss did they make aside from saying that well, "we shouldve gotten penalties". Who doesnt say that ?
Everyone likes consistency. It didnt happen. This is all a conspiracy so that Barca can dominate. Etc etc. Ok we get it. Thanks get over it. And were taking Ibrahimovic's word for things to now apparantly. Not like he has any reason to be upset and talk smack. Sighface..
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And that was not a penalty.
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Please let Torres take the penalty :D
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On April 05 2012 04:06 Steveling wrote:
And that was not a penalty.
Hahahahaha, yeah okay then.
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On April 05 2012 04:07 Valenius wrote:Hahahahaha, yeah okay then.
...yeah let's not start that discussion again 
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Guess for some ppl its only a penalty when someone breaks a players leg or something....
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On April 05 2012 03:51 Rebs wrote:
Yea were using Goal.com as a source now. Please anymore TMZ and theyll be talking about Paris Hiltons latest escapade. What fuss did they make aside from saying that well, "we shouldve gotten penalties". Who doesnt say that ?
Everyone likes consistency. It didnt happen. This is all a conspiracy so that Barca can dominate. Etc etc. Ok we get it. Thanks get over it. And were taking Ibrahimovic's word for things to now apparantly. Not like he has any reason to be upset and talk smack. Sighface..
and what source would be credible to you? i think that article pointed out what i was trying to say. or should've i went to royal archive of football replays and take it from there after hours of watching? and when did i said it's a conspiracy for barca?
and you're right for Ibra, he should've just fell, hold his leg/ankle/head and moan like d.alves/bousquets/iniesta, maybe than it would be penalty.
it's not about the fuss, it's about hypocrisy...claiming they didn't complained or anything while they were...
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And the game is over, pfff come on i want to see some real games :@. So many matches decided by the ref, yesterday, today unbelievable.
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Damnit, now this game is already dead. Really was hoping for benfica they were doing so well.
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