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On March 25 2012 07:43 Twisted wrote:
Not really want to get into it, but van Basten's goal (along with Maradonna's) is the best goal ever without a doubt. The setting (Eurocup final), the difficulty, the precise-ness, the intent and everything was amazing.
Just because Joe schmoe lumberjack from Stoke City randomly shoots towards goal and luckily hits the net (very beautiful goal of course, but it's just gonna look like a massive desperation attempt in 99,99% of the times), doesn't make it that you can compare it to one of the best goals ever. It wasn't even slightly the same either. Van Basten's goal was from an almost impossible angle from a volley and he knew he could make that goal so there was no desperation in the attempt. I guess I'm just responding to a troll though.
Anyway. Great goal!
This is crap. Two reasons.
Firstly, van Basten's goal is less of an attractive experience (although only slightly) because it is only made in the final 3rd. Maradona's classic comes from the halfway line. Crouchie's wonder goal comes from the GOALKEEPER without actually touching the ground ONCE before being put in the goal, that is just gorgeous.
Secondly, Crouchie does NOT count as Joe Schmoe. He is an England international and has played for Liverpool. Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that.
Also, Joe Hart, the City keeper, is an absolutely awesome keeper who has made some ridiculous saves and is absolutely world class. This goal is easily one of the least defendable 'wonder goals' of all time.
Modern defenders might have been able to prevent the Maradona wonder goal with better defensive skills. The Van Basten wonder goal is saveable because you can prevent the setup. I would argue that Crouchie's goal is actually HARDER to stop than both of them, because your only way is either being able to beat a 6'7 man in the air or intercept the two headed passes.
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On March 26 2012 08:09 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 07:43 Twisted wrote:
Not really want to get into it, but van Basten's goal (along with Maradonna's) is the best goal ever without a doubt. The setting (Eurocup final), the difficulty, the precise-ness, the intent and everything was amazing.
Just because Joe schmoe lumberjack from Stoke City randomly shoots towards goal and luckily hits the net (very beautiful goal of course, but it's just gonna look like a massive desperation attempt in 99,99% of the times), doesn't make it that you can compare it to one of the best goals ever. It wasn't even slightly the same either. Van Basten's goal was from an almost impossible angle from a volley and he knew he could make that goal so there was no desperation in the attempt. I guess I'm just responding to a troll though.
Anyway. Great goal! This is crap. Two reasons. Firstly, van Basten's goal is less of an attractive experience (although only slightly) because it is only made in the final 3rd. Maradona's classic comes from the halfway line. Crouchie's wonder goal comes from the GOALKEEPER without actually touching the ground ONCE before being put in the goal, that is just gorgeous. Secondly, Crouchie does NOT count as Joe Schmoe. He is an England international and has played for Liverpool. Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that. Also, Joe Hart, the City keeper, is an absolutely awesome keeper who has made some ridiculous saves and is absolutely world class. This goal is easily one of the least defendable 'wonder goals' of all time. Modern defenders might have been able to prevent the Maradona wonder goal with better defensive skills. The Van Basten wonder goal is saveable because you can prevent the setup. I would argue that Crouchie's goal is actually HARDER to stop than both of them, because your only way is either being able to beat a 6'7 man in the air or intercept the two headed passes.
The setting in which the goal is scored playes a HUGE role, atleast for me.. there are so many wonderful goals all over the place, but the ones u remember in the end are the ones which actually mean/win something.
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Not really gonna bother responding, only that this:
"Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that."
is hilarious reasoning. Of course he's gonna say that AFTER the match. It's not even a volley goal. He controls it, then he shoots it towards goal and it luckily flies in the far corner. Of course it's a great goal but it can never be compared to the best goals ever. And 'suck on that', really? 
If you can't understand the magnitude of the van Basten goal (final eurocup, the difficulty, the player he represents - arguably the best pure striker ever, only one else I can think of is Ronaldo) and actually compare it to a lucky goal by Peter Crouch (who is a very limited football player), then I have nothing left to argue about.
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Seems to me like this heated discussion is less about the actual goals, but more of a UK vs Netherlands pride war :D
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On March 26 2012 08:09 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 07:43 Twisted wrote:
Not really want to get into it, but van Basten's goal (along with Maradonna's) is the best goal ever without a doubt. The setting (Eurocup final), the difficulty, the precise-ness, the intent and everything was amazing.
Just because Joe schmoe lumberjack from Stoke City randomly shoots towards goal and luckily hits the net (very beautiful goal of course, but it's just gonna look like a massive desperation attempt in 99,99% of the times), doesn't make it that you can compare it to one of the best goals ever. It wasn't even slightly the same either. Van Basten's goal was from an almost impossible angle from a volley and he knew he could make that goal so there was no desperation in the attempt. I guess I'm just responding to a troll though.
Anyway. Great goal! This is crap. Two reasons. Firstly, van Basten's goal is less of an attractive experience (although only slightly) because it is only made in the final 3rd. Maradona's classic comes from the halfway line. Crouchie's wonder goal comes from the GOALKEEPER without actually touching the ground ONCE before being put in the goal, that is just gorgeous. Secondly, Crouchie does NOT count as Joe Schmoe. He is an England international and has played for Liverpool. Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that. Also, Joe Hart, the City keeper, is an absolutely awesome keeper who has made some ridiculous saves and is absolutely world class. This goal is easily one of the least defendable 'wonder goals' of all time. Modern defenders might have been able to prevent the Maradona wonder goal with better defensive skills. The Van Basten wonder goal is saveable because you can prevent the setup. I would argue that Crouchie's goal is actually HARDER to stop than both of them, because your only way is either being able to beat a 6'7 man in the air or intercept the two headed passes.
Yea I wonder why he doesnt do it every game, or well ever, if he practices everyday. It took him 20 years to score that goal what shit practice. Must be some conspiracy to keep Stoke doomed as a mid table club for eternity.
Stoke City scored a goal where headers were involved, that like .. never happens .. the team that spends more time breaking legs and playing long throws than actual football won headers from a long goal kick, flabbergasting, absolute poetry. Really Stoke just doesnt get any credit for the fact Begovic kicked the ball "so far" and then the ball didnt even touch the floor, that juggling between Crouch and Pennant, its like no one ever headed the ball to each other just like they do in training everyday..
(this is what trolling sounds like but Im just following the same logic)
Now what I wanted to say..
Yea sure Crouch has always been a decent volleyer, hes hit his fair share of overheads, he hit it sweetly and ofcourse he meant to score, otherwise whats the point ? As far as technique is concerned hes pretty decent at volleying but really setting up a volley first like Crouch did and hitting it on the full from a cross like Van Basten did are miles apart in the technique you need. Sorry but even if it was full on the volley Crouch set it up, he didnt have to time a run and judge the flight. Additionally he had a tighter angle, so smaller target. Whatever happened before is irrelevant to the quality of the goal in this case. People dont cream their pants everytime someone scores from a flickon. The relevant bit is after Crouch's first flick. And that while probably a candidate for goal of the season just isnt as good as Van Bastens sorry.
Also compared to Van Basten Crouch really is a joe schmoe.
@ Twisted the ball didnt bounce, its counts as a full on volley. Van Bastens goal was better, tighter angle + situation. This one was from distance I suppose but that really just meant that Crouch got to put his foot clean through it as opposed to Van Basten who actually had to control how well he hit it to keep it down.
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On March 23 2012 21:53 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 21:37 Megatronn wrote:On March 22 2012 22:23 Rebs wrote:On March 22 2012 21:11 Hemlighest wrote:
I just read today, that Ramos set a new RM record in red cards, it being his red #11 in the white jersey. He already holds the record for yellows for a while now. And yeah I love Motta too, loved him at Barca but that team was rather mediocre and he got injured alot. Hes nothing spectacular but so solid its rare, kinda like Hargreaves was for Munich and would still be if he didnt have glass legs. edit : Ronaldo has been pretty classy this past year for the most part, hasnt gotten involved. I really feel bad for him everytime Madrid's discipline implodes. You can always see him walking around away from the action with "comon guys...wtf" written ahove his head in a bubble (if you can picture it..) I think Mourinho probably told him not to get involved in any of that dumb shit. And he didnt tell anyone else ? Or did they just miss the memo ? Wether Mourinho told him or not is besides the point it pretty much looks to me atleast from the limited amount I can see that he really just doesnt want to get into it anymore because its clearly counterproductive..
In the Villareal game Ronaldo yelled "Robery, Robery" at the end, and did the "Bribed referee" hand gesture in midgame.
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On March 26 2012 08:25 Twisted wrote:Not really gonna bother responding, only that this: "Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that." is hilarious reasoning. Of course he's gonna say that AFTER the match. It's not even a volley goal. He controls it, then he shoots it towards goal and it luckily flies in the far corner. Of course it's a great goal but it can never be compared to the best goals ever. And 'suck on that', really? If you can't understand the magnitude of the van Basten goal (final eurocup, the difficulty, the player he represents - arguably the best pure striker ever, only one else I can think of is Ronaldo) and actually compare it to a lucky goal by Peter Crouch (who is a very limited football player), then I have nothing left to argue about.
The best pure striker ever is Batigol!!!!!!! xPP
As for Crouchs goal, the setting matters more than the goal itself.
It was just another league game, I have seen far more amazing goals in the small leagues, from my local team, but it means nothing cause there's nothing at stake.
That's why goals like van Bastens or Maradonas are so greatly appreciated, cause they meant trophies versus an elite opponent.
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On March 26 2012 08:25 Twisted wrote:is hilarious reasoning. Of course he's gonna say that AFTER the match. It's not even a volley goal. He controls it, then he shoots it towards goal and it luckily flies in the far corner. Of course it's a great goal but it can never be compared to the best goals ever. And 'suck on that', really? .
It's not a lucky strike...it's about as good as he could have hoped from it but then again that's EXACTLY the same as the van basten goal.
I don't accept you people's arguments about the magnitude of the event. Skill level of the opposition, yes, but magnitude, meh. In that case you would have to put all goals that win world cup finals as the top. I've never seen a better looking goal than one where the ball goes from the keeper to the goal without touching the ground. That might be because I like a good direct style of play. But Twisted you are totally wrong with your point about Crouch getting lucky. It's something he likes to do and he has scored quite a few volleyed goals, his volleys are good. That was pretty much the ultimate expression of his technique and it reminded me of the cantona goal except the goal as a team effort was more exceptional.
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On March 26 2012 09:36 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 08:25 Twisted wrote:Not really gonna bother responding, only that this: "Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that." is hilarious reasoning. Of course he's gonna say that AFTER the match. It's not even a volley goal. He controls it, then he shoots it towards goal and it luckily flies in the far corner. Of course it's a great goal but it can never be compared to the best goals ever. And 'suck on that', really? If you can't understand the magnitude of the van Basten goal (final eurocup, the difficulty, the player he represents - arguably the best pure striker ever, only one else I can think of is Ronaldo) and actually compare it to a lucky goal by Peter Crouch (who is a very limited football player), then I have nothing left to argue about. The best pure striker ever is Batigol!!!!!!! xPPAs for Crouchs goal, the setting matters more than the goal itself. It was just another league game, I have seen far more amazing goals in the small leagues, from my local team, but it means nothing cause there's nothing at stake. That's why goals like van Bastens or Maradonas are so greatly appreciated, cause they meant trophies versus an elite opponent.
As a Fiorentina suppoerter I approve this.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Champions League draws ever nearer!!
Tues;
APOEL vs Real Madrid
Benfica vs Chelsea
Weds;
Milan vs Barcelona
Marseille vs Bayern
Pick the team you think will win or a draw! Leave a comment to add to the discussion!
Poll: APEOL vs Real MadridReal Madrid (16) 89% APOEL (1) 6% Draw (1) 6% 18 total votes Your vote: APEOL vs Real Madrid (Vote): APOEL
(Vote): Real Madrid
(Vote): Draw
Poll: Benfica vs ChelseaChelsea (10) 48% Benfica (9) 43% Draw (2) 10% 21 total votes Your vote: Benfica vs Chelsea (Vote): Benfica
(Vote): Chelsea
(Vote): Draw
Poll: Milan vs BarcelonaBarcelona (11) 58% Draw (5) 26% Milan (3) 16% 19 total votes Your vote: Milan vs Barcelona (Vote): Milan
(Vote): Barcelona
(Vote): Draw
Poll: Marseille vs BayernBayern (15) 71% Marseille (3) 14% Draw (3) 14% 21 total votes Your vote: Marseille vs Bayern (Vote): Marseille
(Vote): Bayern
(Vote): Draw
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Real Madrid have now a hard problem of Reputation in Spain.
Some years ago, almost all the supporters of the other first division league teams prefered Madrid over Barcelona. Barcelona was too "anti-spain" and Madrid was the "Classy, Historical team" respeted for all.
But in the last times, specially since Mourinho/Cristiano/Pepe, supporters of all teams except Madrid (and some Madrid Supporters Claim that Madrid is loosing his Class) hates Real Madrid. You can go to any newspaper online and almost all the user comentaries at the news are against Madrid. Even in historical "Madrid Newspapers".
The president is going to need years to fix this after Mou and Pepe go out.
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Benfica at home are too strong for a dire Chelsea IMO.
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On March 26 2012 19:46 haitike wrote:
Real Madrid have now a hard problem of Reputation in Spain.
Some years ago, almost all the supporters of the other first division league teams prefered Madrid over Barcelona. Barcelona was too "anti-spain" and Madrid was the "Classy, Historical team" respeted for all.
But in the last times, specially since Mourinho/Cristiano/Pepe, supporters of all teams except Madrid (and some Madrid Supporters Claim that Madrid is loosing his Class) hates Real Madrid. You can go to any newspaper online and almost all the user comentaries at the news are against Madrid. Even in historical "Madrid Newspapers".
The president is going to need years to fix this after Mou and Pepe go out.
I can't imagine Real are happy that jose is dragging their name through the mud, I doubt Real will tolerate his ego any longer even if he wins the champions league.
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My silly attempt at predicting the quarter finals:
RM > Apoel
It's cool that Apoel made it all this way, but the adventure ends here. 6-1 in total.
Chelsea > Benfica
Benfica has looked good, but Chelsea has been playing well lately, and has the routine to beat down the Portuguese team. 3-1 in total.
Milan > Barcelona
Maybe this is pushing it, but I believe. Ibra is having a great season, and Milan should be prepared for Barca's game-plan. Perhaps a bit naïve, but there it is. 2-2 in total, Milan wins on away goals.
Bayern > Marseille
From what I read, Marseille have been playing like shit lately, even being eliminated from the French cup by a third-division team(?). Adding to that is Bayern looking strong. No way they lose this. 5-1 in total.
As for Real Madrid's reputation; I hope they get rid of Pepe and Mourinho. I like Mou as a coach, but as a personality, I don't think he's a good fit for Real. Pepe is a madman who should be sold away fast as hell.
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On March 26 2012 19:46 meatbox wrote:
Benfica at home are too strong for a dire Chelsea IMO.
I agree... but I feel that Chelsea got new confidence last game against Napoli and will go in to this with a different mindset.
Barcelona will probably beat Milan... but Ibra is SOooooo dangerous, did you guys see his lob-above-the-goalie-head-in goal on saturday against (Roma I think?)... wow! 
GOGO MILAN :D.........but..... if I may be a bit bitchy, I fear that seedorf will get the ball a few too many times and yet again bring down milan to a pace of a car from the 1930s .
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On March 26 2012 20:39 zanga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 19:46 meatbox wrote:
Benfica at home are too strong for a dire Chelsea IMO. I agree... but I feel that Chelsea got new confidence last game against Napoli and will go in to this with a different mindset. Barcelona will probably beat Milan... but Ibra is SOooooo dangerous, did you guys see his lob-above-the-goalie-head-in goal on saturday against (Roma I think?)... wow! GOGO MILAN :D.........but..... if I may be a bit bitchy, I fear that seedorf will get the ball a few too many times and yet again bring down milan to a pace of a car from the 1930s .
why do you support milan mate? they've been caught cheating twice, and personally the periods between totonero and calciopoli will forever be a tainted time for Serie A, you just have to see the dominance of the big two cheating teams to tell
Ibra's scored some amazing goals in his career, that was nothing special, he chipped it but he had to win a difficult header in the end which should have been easily cleared IMO.
He's also somewhat flopped in the big games, it's just a different level of intensity in these matches, the defenders are always up for him, they close him down that extra bit quicker, he lacks the pace, workrate and movement to be effective, Barcelona should dominate but if anyone can beat Barcelona from Serie A it is Milan, a shame big game Pato is injured still..?
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I hope Benfica can cause an upset. I don't dislike Chelsea, but I want a small club to get to the next round and I think only Benfica has a real chance to do so.
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On March 26 2012 20:21 NuclearJudas wrote:My silly attempt at predicting the quarter finals: RM > Apoel It's cool that Apoel made it all this way, but the adventure ends here. 6-1 in total. Chelsea > Benfica Benfica has looked good, but Chelsea has been playing well lately, and has the routine to beat down the Portuguese team. 3-1 in total. Milan > Barcelona Maybe this is pushing it, but I believe. Ibra is having a great season, and Milan should be prepared for Barca's game-plan. Perhaps a bit naïve, but there it is. 2-2 in total, Milan wins on away goals. Bayern > Marseille From what I read, Marseille have been playing like shit lately, even being eliminated from the French cup by a third-division team(?). Adding to that is Bayern looking strong. No way they lose this. 5-1 in total. As for Real Madrid's reputation; I hope they get rid of Pepe and Mourinho. I like Mou as a coach, but as a personality, I don't think he's a good fit for Real. Pepe is a madman who should be sold away fast as hell.
Don't look at head to head of group stage for knockout rounds, Milan cannot win, and if they do it will be because of the nightmares barcelona endured at the hands of Inter  , Ibra always performs well in the league games but like I've previously mentioned he doesn't cut it at this level, simply because of his lack of sheer pace and poor workrate, Barcelona can afford to play a high line with Pato out. Also Thiago Silva was injured on the weekend, whether he recovers for this clash is unknown, huge loss IMO.
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APOEL, no doubts. On the other hand I'm a Real anti-fan.
Benfica, no doubts. On the other hand I'm a top tier english team anti-fan.
Milan, although I wish them to fail at everything until Juve gets the scudetto. Then again Barcelona's play style is boring to me.
Marseille, because I think they are the better team & I don't like Robben at all and have vowed to never cheer for his team ever.
It may seem like I only root for the underdogs lawl
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On March 26 2012 08:25 Twisted wrote:Not really gonna bother responding, only that this: "Also, he said in the post match interview that he has been practicing the volleying technique SINCE HE WAS A KID. So he was fully confident he could do it, and he does it EVERY DAY in training. So suck on that." is hilarious reasoning. Of course he's gonna say that AFTER the match. It's not even a volley goal. He controls it, then he shoots it towards goal and it luckily flies in the far corner. Of course it's a great goal but it can never be compared to the best goals ever. And 'suck on that', really? If you can't understand the magnitude of the van Basten goal (final eurocup, the difficulty, the player he represents - arguably the best pure striker ever, only one else I can think of is Ronaldo) and actually compare it to a lucky goal by Peter Crouch (who is a very limited football player), then I have nothing left to argue about.
Well for a limited football player I have seen him show exquisite technique more than once.
A lucky shot? most definitely. On the other hand I am yet to see a compilation of van Basten volley goals.
Then again, neither are near the top of my favourite goals so I don't have to defend a point.
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