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On October 13 2021 00:33 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah im getting sick of their shit. vicarious visions does fine but the moment actual blizzard has to take care of something shit hits the fan. fucks sake
? the game is a giant pile of garbage that cannot run above 30fps on anything but the best machines
i literally had to switch to old graphics to go through the lava river
meanwhile i can run diablo3 and go through hundreds of mobs without the slightest fps issue
the worst part is that d2r graphics arent even that good xd
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On October 15 2021 17:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
from someone who has no idea what the work is like behind the scenes for game development, how difficult would it be to change the game to allow for "instances" via some mechanic without having to actually create new games?
im not exactly referring to diablo 3 level of smoothness when rift farming but a similar method to regen maps within the same game
I think the biggest problem for them is having to run old stuff behind the scenes and technology has changed quite a bit since then. From the post it seems they're trying to re-write it to more modern standards which should help.
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On October 15 2021 19:33 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2021 00:33 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah im getting sick of their shit. vicarious visions does fine but the moment actual blizzard has to take care of something shit hits the fan. fucks sake ? the game is a giant pile of garbage that cannot run above 30fps on anything but the best machines i literally had to switch to old graphics to go through the lava river meanwhile i can run diablo3 and go through hundreds of mobs without the slightest fps issue the worst part is that d2r graphics arent even that good xd
its not optimised like other games are, but i dont think its anywhere near as bad as youre making it out to be. you probably just have a really potato comp.
for a remaster i think theres not much they could have done better.
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On October 15 2021 22:07 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2021 17:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
from someone who has no idea what the work is like behind the scenes for game development, how difficult would it be to change the game to allow for "instances" via some mechanic without having to actually create new games?
im not exactly referring to diablo 3 level of smoothness when rift farming but a similar method to regen maps within the same game I think the biggest problem for them is having to run old stuff behind the scenes and technology has changed quite a bit since then. From the post it seems they're trying to re-write it to more modern standards which should help.
thats kinda my question. since the legacy client is still the foundation of the game, im wondering how big of a job changing the fundamental mechanics behind how the game regens maps (exit + recreate game) actually is. they would have to go back and basically patch the original d2 to allow this to happen and maybe thats too big of an ask?
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On October 15 2021 23:42 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2021 22:07 Manit0u wrote:On October 15 2021 17:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
from someone who has no idea what the work is like behind the scenes for game development, how difficult would it be to change the game to allow for "instances" via some mechanic without having to actually create new games?
im not exactly referring to diablo 3 level of smoothness when rift farming but a similar method to regen maps within the same game I think the biggest problem for them is having to run old stuff behind the scenes and technology has changed quite a bit since then. From the post it seems they're trying to re-write it to more modern standards which should help. thats kinda my question. since the legacy client is still the foundation of the game, im wondering how big of a job changing the fundamental mechanics behind how the game regens maps (exit + recreate game) actually is. they would have to go back and basically patch the original d2 to allow this to happen and maybe thats too big of an ask?
Their problem seems to be not with map regeneration but rather saving this data. Every game has to be written to the database and if it's under too much stress and unresponsive you get higher and higher delays until it stops responding entirely.
What they were talking about a singleton in their post is the root cause of the problem (generally you want to avoid singletons in programming, especially in big projects that have to operate in multiple regions). There's single piece of code responsible for handling all of the data saving/retrieval globally instead of it being distributed so you'd have multiple copies handling smaller amounts of data at a time.
It's possible to rewrite it and turn it into a more distributed system but it's quite big architectural change so don't expect it to happen overnight.
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Lets just say it would have been easier to remake the game from scratch than trying to fix the game to work like a modern game
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One of the things this whole situation shows is that Blizzard aren't really that great at planning ahead and thinking long-term. Compare this to say original Guild Wars which was released in 2005 and is running to this day without problems and ArenaNet even said they're going to keep it up indefinitely because upkeep for GW servers is negligible and super easy. We're talking about a 16 year old game that hasn't even been getting any new content for years and they're fine with keeping it running for the old fans whereas Blizzard is putting games in maintenance mode and disabling support left and right, not to mention constant server issues (does anyone remember D3 launch when people weren't even able to install the game for a month?).
I've worked with systems that were running 80 million transactions a day, that's over 9k operations per second on databases that had over 4.5 billion users. It can be done but if your architecture sucks and wasn't designed to scale it can be a nightmare.
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Being 162nd in queue was a 30 minute wait time. I got through one full run. Game crashed on trying to start the next run. Launch D2 - Position in Queue: 339.
You can either expect us to tolerate crashes or to tolerate long queue times, but not fucking both. Straight up bullshit. Multibillion dollar company, folks.
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lol they didnt implement queue on consoles so now consoles can't play at all
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i'm only buying if the crashes and overall stability is good when ladder starts and there's (next to) no cheating : P
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Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo.
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On October 18 2021 01:29 ffswowsucks wrote:
Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo.
Leveling in D2 if you are solo is hard and takes time, but it's interesting rewarding and enjoyable. Imo it is a lot more interesting than D3 in almost every aspect but if you don't like leveling and play solo.. can't tell if you'll like it. However compared to something like Wow D2 has much better solo leveling gameplay i'd say. Wow gets amazing whenever there's unpredictable player encounters nearby + the trading etc but if you compare the action gameplay and stuff solo in D2 is a lot more dynamic.
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On October 18 2021 01:29 ffswowsucks wrote:
Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo.
I played through the story mode as SSF and finished at around level 82 with no exp grinding. Leveling fast is easy, too, if you know the right games to join/join a community which offers exp leeching - I went from level 20 to 70 in about 2 hours on my second character.
The fact that it is the same 5 acts 3 times is a bit of a chore but I find the difficulty progresses in tandem with your ability if you just walk and kill everything on the way to your objective and if you follow a somewhat sensible build.
TLDR I don't think you should even consider buying a leveled account and there are multiple ways to approach leveling in general, either slow and relatively enjoyably or fast and dirty.
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On October 18 2021 01:29 ffswowsucks wrote:
Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo.
d2 is way more difficult than d3. there are more "mechanics" to learn, build paths (skill trees) are pretty fixed and unforgiving if you make wrong choices at the beginning, and imo the actual combat is more difficult in d2 because its easier to die. less buttons to press than d3 though.
leveling isnt as important in d2; its just something you accumulate as a consequence of you playing the actual game. many rpgs now require you to hit max level before you get to start the "real game", including d3. in d2 you will have played thousands of hours before you ever hit max level, so max level in d2 is nothing more than a milestone. if you actually bought a blank max level character you wouldnt even be able to play the game properly because your character has absolutely nothing and therefore cannot fight anything in hell (the main difficulty).
think of 80% of d2 gameplay to be what d3 was when it first came out. most of the experience is trying to beat the campaign in all the difficulties available, and the last 20% is repeated runs to farm items, which is what d3 is now with grifts.
leveling isnt insignificant to your character but not important to overall gameplay, as the real experience doesnt start from max level like it does in d3, it starts from when youre level 1.
if you enjoy grinding boss/dungeon runs on end for good gear, you will enjoy d2 probably. if you get tired of the repetition quick and you dont like not being able to kill everything (some people really hate the fact that you have to run away from monsters in hell), then you wont like d2.
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On October 18 2021 09:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2021 01:29 ffswowsucks wrote:
Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo. d2 is way more difficult than d3. there are more "mechanics" to learn, build paths (skill trees) are pretty fixed and unforgiving if you make wrong choices at the beginning, and imo the actual combat is more difficult in d2 because its easier to die. less buttons to press than d3 though. leveling isnt as important in d2; its just something you accumulate as a consequence of you playing the actual game. many rpgs now require you to hit max level before you get to start the "real game", including d3. in d2 you will have played thousands of hours before you ever hit max level, so max level in d2 is nothing more than a milestone. if you actually bought a blank max level character you wouldnt even be able to play the game properly because your character has absolutely nothing and therefore cannot fight anything in hell (the main difficulty). think of 80% of d2 gameplay to be what d3 was when it first came out. most of the experience is trying to beat the campaign in all the difficulties available, and the last 20% is repeated runs to farm items, which is what d3 is now with grifts. leveling isnt insignificant to your character but not important to overall gameplay, as the real experience doesnt start from max level like it does in d3, it starts from when youre level 1. if you enjoy grinding boss/dungeon runs on end for good gear, you will enjoy d2 probably. if you get tired of the repetition quick and you dont like not being able to kill everything (some people really hate the fact that you have to run away from monsters in hell), then you wont like d2.
To be fair, every class has a method for killing every monster in the game, which is further bolstered by mercenaries. The problem is more that it can be too difficult or time-consuming to do so.
For example, physical immunes are annoying for summon necros, but that's why you have amp damage to break immunity. Cold immunes are annoying for cold sorceresses, but that's why your merc can kill them with pure physical damage, and/or you should have a secondary elemental ability like fireball. Etc. People min max their builds a lot in order to clear key areas and then are forced to avoid certain confrontations, but that's not the only way to play. When my dad played back in the early 00s, I checked his characters and he had a lightning paladin and a cold sorceress, purely SSF and homebrew inefficient "builds", and he would switch between the characters by rejoining the same game on Battle.net to clear content that one character struggled with lol.
All of this is to say that the grinder/veteran approach is just one way to play and enjoy the game, and that newcomers who don't care about clear speed in chaos runs or whatever likely enjoy it in a completely different way.
EDIT: Oh, and the first quest of the game in every difficulty gives you a free reset for your entire skill/stat tree, so if you fuck up too hard you can always load up the previous difficulty and change your stats/skills in order to deal with issues in the next difficulty. Should be made clear that you're no longer permalocked in a shitty situation as you were in the early patches.
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yeah it is possible to dual spec or find other ways to get around immunities, theyre just more inefficient and could potentially be just as difficult. you can kill more stuff but youre also not killing monsters as fast so youre just as susceptible to dying to a group with extra fast and extra strong for example.
also even with the respecs my point about d2 was that skill choices are way more impactful and your characters power is heavily determined by it, compared to d3 where you can literally use any skill as you level and your power is drawn more from items than skills.
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On October 15 2021 23:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2021 19:33 Erasme wrote:On October 13 2021 00:33 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah im getting sick of their shit. vicarious visions does fine but the moment actual blizzard has to take care of something shit hits the fan. fucks sake ? the game is a giant pile of garbage that cannot run above 30fps on anything but the best machines i literally had to switch to old graphics to go through the lava river meanwhile i can run diablo3 and go through hundreds of mobs without the slightest fps issue the worst part is that d2r graphics arent even that good xd its not optimised like other games are, but i dont think its anywhere near as bad as youre making it out to be. you probably just have a really potato comp. for a remaster i think theres not much they could have done better.
You must have missed the part where my computer can render hundreds of differents mobs at once in other games (days gone), but apparently 20 is too much for d2. Even though it has worse graphics. But hey, maybe im just too used to my 140fps on dota2, goddamn potato pc 
On October 18 2021 01:29 ffswowsucks wrote:
Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo.
If you don't have the nostalgia factor, don't buy it. Most of the mechanics are a clear setback from d3.
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On October 18 2021 17:02 Erasme wrote:
If you don't have the nostalgia factor, don't buy it. Most of the mechanics are a clear setback from d3.
What? It's like comparing apples and oranges. D3 doesn't really have any interesting mechanics and is all about flashy abilities that one-shot everything on the screen. It's much harder to get your character to the point where you can speed clear in D2 (and even then it's usually just specific areas and not everything). D2 is also much harder in terms of survivability and gearing in general.
In D3 you don't have to worry about resistances or immunities, just raw power. There are also curses, mana drains and other stuff on the mobs (anyone who played melee and got obliterated by Iron Maiden in Chaos Sanctuary knows what I'm talking about).
There's a reason why I'm still playing D2 and in D3 I created 1 character, got to rift 70 or something and lost all interest in the game after that. Seeing your damage numbers to be in the hundreds of billions doesn't really seem like progress to me. Also, getting the same gear over and over again but now it's primal or whatever was boring af.
On October 18 2021 11:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah it is possible to dual spec or find other ways to get around immunities, theyre just more inefficient and could potentially be just as difficult. you can kill more stuff but youre also not killing monsters as fast so youre just as susceptible to dying to a group with extra fast and extra strong for example.
also even with the respecs my point about d2 was that skill choices are way more impactful and your characters power is heavily determined by it, compared to d3 where you can literally use any skill as you level and your power is drawn more from items than skills.
You can beat the game just fine even with suboptimal build and hybrid specs. People tend to min-max purely for gear hunting so they can clear specific areas extremely quickly. You'll have your pitzerker, smiter, javazon and cold sorc farming different zones in the game. Then you have characters like hammerdin, trapsin, necros, blizzballers etc. that can clear pretty much any content in the game but simply don't do it as quickly and effectively as specialized builds.
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The question you have to ask yourself is "What do I want to do in this game?"
If you just want to clear the game on hell and goof around then you can do it with pretty much any character. If you want to focus on farming ubers you want to make a smiter etc. Unfortunately for the specialized min-maxed builds you will most likely need a lot of gear that's very hard to find so I guess for starters best thing is something that can clear everything and is decent at magic finding (blizzballer sorc for example) so you can find initial gear to jumpstart your other characters.
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On October 18 2021 17:02 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2021 23:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 15 2021 19:33 Erasme wrote:On October 13 2021 00:33 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah im getting sick of their shit. vicarious visions does fine but the moment actual blizzard has to take care of something shit hits the fan. fucks sake ? the game is a giant pile of garbage that cannot run above 30fps on anything but the best machines i literally had to switch to old graphics to go through the lava river meanwhile i can run diablo3 and go through hundreds of mobs without the slightest fps issue the worst part is that d2r graphics arent even that good xd its not optimised like other games are, but i dont think its anywhere near as bad as youre making it out to be. you probably just have a really potato comp. for a remaster i think theres not much they could have done better. You must have missed the part where my computer can render hundreds of differents mobs at once in other games (days gone), but apparently 20 is too much for d2. Even though it has worse graphics. But hey, maybe im just too used to my 140fps on dota2, goddamn potato pc Show nested quote +On October 18 2021 01:29 ffswowsucks wrote:
Hey guys, random question here. please dont flame me. for a guy that hasnt really played much of diablo 2 but alot of diablo 3. If I buy d2 will I enjoy it? How hard is the game? I hate leveling in general, main reason in MMOs if I like a game i usually end up just buying a fully leveled account. How is the leveling in d2 if ur playing solo. If you don't have the nostalgia factor, don't buy it. Most of the mechanics are a clear setback from d3.
That still seems like a problem specific to your computer and not something I've seen voiced elsewhere. My computer isn't the greatest, it runs some other AAA titles on low/medium settings, but it runs D2R on high settings without issues. If it's a computer with two graphics cards, as some gaming laptops tend to be for example, it is possible that it is using an integrated graphics card by default, for example? Either way, seems like PEBCAK issue.
As for the latter point, I have to disagree wholeheartedly. There's a reason the game was popular in the first place. Beyond that, we are on a forum which largely centers around a game that was released over 20 years ago with an update a few years ago, and a game that was released 10 years ago. I'm sure you would agree that those games are worth playing despite their age and outside of any nostalgia factor. Of course, my perspective is biased, but I think that yours is too, due to your personal issues with the game's performance on your particular machine.
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Shitty inventory system, potions are the most brainless thing in the game. Congrats on spamming them i guess? Very good skill toi have.
Characters are pretty much locked into w.e build you started, unless you want to risk wasting 2 skills rerolls experimenting. And as Manitou pointed out, you will be forced to farm w.e zone your character can for the rest of its life. Great gameplay! The UI is goddamn awful and they didn't bother adding a multiplayer looting system. Like can't you just look at the differents must have mods and just add them to the base game ?
If you don't mind wasting 40e on a (laggy) reskin of an outdated game, go for it.
I have very fond memories playing with my brother on d2 during summers, which is the only reason i bought d2r. I liked d2. It's just not worth 40e.
I think you guys are liking it because they didn't change a thing from d2, while i'm hating on it because they didn't improve anything from d2.
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