EPTIf you know what you're doing running through the game is not challenging at all, even on hardcore.
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Blitzkrieg0
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If you know what you're doing running through the game is not challenging at all, even on hardcore. | ||
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xarthaz
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On June 03 2011 05:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: How do you think those answers are untruthful? Beating diablo 2 is merely a time commitment. You can run back to a boss an endless number of times with town portal scrolls if you're having any problems with them at all. You cannot lose in Diablo 2 (unless you're playing hardcore). If you know what you're doing running through the game is not challenging at all, even on hardcore. Challenge assumes attributing it to some kind of behavior of an interface. There are many possibilities for creating such attributions in the game. Speed runs, public game exploitation runs(ie fastest way to get gear and rushed without knowing anyone), etc On June 03 2011 01:02 Barrin wrote: As a result of discussions in the D3 thread, I decided to make some polls to possibly shed some light on people's general opinions. The results of these polls are by no means truly reflective of the entire Diablo 2 community and/or potential Diablo 3 community due to bias. It's only seven questions, so please answer them all if you've EVER played Diablo 2 (classic or expansion doesn't matter). And please ONLY answer if you've played Diablo 2. Concerning botting/hacking/cheating/d2jsp: + Show Spoiler + Poll: Is using bots/hacks/cheats acceptable? I hate botters/hackers/cheaters with a passion. (32) I am against bots/hacks/cheats. (8) I don't really care. (4) I use bots/hacks/cheats for real life profit. (1) I use bots/hacks/cheats because PvE is boring and I only want to PvP. (1) 46 total votes Your vote: Is using bots/hacks/cheats acceptable? (Vote): I hate botters/hackers/cheaters with a passion. + Show Spoiler + Poll: Are websites like d2jsp.com a good thing? I am utterly against websites like d2jsp (ruins ladder/facilitates botting&cheating) (24) I don't really care. (8) I like d2jsp (I like to switch between games) (5) I do not like websites like d2jsp (4) I like d2jsp (I'm already rich) (0) 41 total votes Your vote: Are websites like d2jsp.com a good thing? (Vote): I am utterly against websites like d2jsp (ruins ladder/facilitates botting&cheating) + Show Spoiler + Poll: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3? I would be very against d2jsp (or any website like it). (44) I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant. (10) I don't really care. (10) I would love to see d2jsp in D3 (I'm already rich) (3) 67 total votes Your vote: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3? (Vote): I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant. <removed for obviously untruthful answers> BTW nice poll bias. Some people have such a thick political agenda that it becomes beyond comprehension that the trading systems benefit everyone involved, even the poor looking to build themselves from ground up. Trade = mutually beneficial action by definition, period. On June 02 2011 12:47 iCanada wrote: Corpse explosion and bone armor are good. Have atleast a point in each regardless your spec. If you are going for a summoner, grab the iron maiden curse and lol as everything kills itself on your skeletons. That, and pump the shit out of vitality. Gear isn't nearly as important if you have 2.5k HP without BO. its not 2002 any more, that stuff doesnt work. | ||
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innocence
New Zealand48 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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innocence
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 03 2011 01:02 Barrin wrote: As a result of discussions in the D3 thread, I decided to make some polls to possibly shed some light on people's general opinions. The results of these polls are by no means truly reflective of the entire Diablo 2 community and/or potential Diablo 3 community due to bias. It's only seven questions, so please answer them all if you've EVER played Diablo 2 (classic or expansion doesn't matter). And please ONLY answer if you've played Diablo 2. Concerning botting/hacking/cheating/d2jsp: + Show Spoiler + Poll: Is using bots/hacks/cheats acceptable? I hate botters/hackers/cheaters with a passion. (32) I am against bots/hacks/cheats. (8) I don't really care. (4) I use bots/hacks/cheats for real life profit. (1) I use bots/hacks/cheats because PvE is boring and I only want to PvP. (1) 46 total votes Your vote: Is using bots/hacks/cheats acceptable? (Vote): I hate botters/hackers/cheaters with a passion. + Show Spoiler + Poll: Are websites like d2jsp.com a good thing? I am utterly against websites like d2jsp (ruins ladder/facilitates botting&cheating) (24) I don't really care. (8) I like d2jsp (I like to switch between games) (5) I do not like websites like d2jsp (4) I like d2jsp (I'm already rich) (0) 41 total votes Your vote: Are websites like d2jsp.com a good thing? (Vote): I am utterly against websites like d2jsp (ruins ladder/facilitates botting&cheating) + Show Spoiler + Poll: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3? I would be very against d2jsp (or any website like it). (44) I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant. (10) I don't really care. (10) I would love to see d2jsp in D3 (I'm already rich) (3) 67 total votes Your vote: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3? (Vote): I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant. <removed for obviously untruthful answers> Your polls are all so biased, I'd love to see the one you removed, reread your answers, why do you think the only way people could like having a website for trading is if they're already rich? You really take things far too seriously if you wouldn't play diablo if it's there, it is NOT hard to get rich on d2jsp if you're not: a) bad b) stupid c) extremely lazy | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 03 2011 05:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: How do you think those answers are untruthful? Beating diablo 2 is merely a time commitment. You can run back to a boss an endless number of times with town portal scrolls if you're having any problems with them at all. You cannot lose in Diablo 2 (unless you're playing hardcore). If you know what you're doing running through the game is not challenging at all, even on hardcore. I was bored and get back to play D2 LoD on Single player as Amazon. I think i was stuck at Act4 Hell iirc, I couldnt kill shiet in CS, my Valk and Decoy went down in 1-2secs eventhough i was lucky enough to found Buriza earlier in NM. Yes, time commitment is what its all about but isnt that just sound kinda stupid ? cuz everything is all about time commitment. saying running through the game is not challenging at all is totally absurd eventhough you know what you're doing. The gear u're using are crap and the exp is so slow.There are so many classes that will be struggling on certain places, like melee classes in CS. now tell me that is not challenging. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 03 2011 10:43 MrProb wrote: I was bored and get back to play D2 LoD on Single player as Amazon. I think i was stuck at Act4 Hell iirc, I couldnt kill shiet in CS, my Valk and Decoy went down in 1-2secs eventhough i was lucky enough to found Buriza earlier in NM. Yes, time commitment is what its all about but isnt that just sound kinda stupid ? cuz everything is all about time commitment. saying running through the game is not challenging at all is totally absurd eventhough you know what you're doing. The gear u're using are crap and the exp is so slow.There are so many classes that will be struggling on certain places, like melee classes in CS. now tell me that is not challenging. Diablo 2 is a game focused on online play, not single player. Yes putting restraints on yourself can make the game challenging, but playing through it online is NOT. Yeah an undergeared melee character will have trouble later on, but if you are playing online you will make a sorc or necro to start and transfer items off of them to your gear-dependant characters. The game is not a challenge. Even beating the game single player is not a challenge, I can beat it up to Act 5 hell as any class within 2 weeks. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 03 2011 10:49 d(O.o)a wrote: Diablo 2 is a game focused on online play, not single player. Yes putting restraints on yourself can make the game challenging, but playing through it online is NOT. Yeah an undergeared melee character will have trouble later on, but if you are playing online you will make a sorc or necro to start and transfer items off of them to your gear-dependant characters. The game is not a challenge. Even beating the game single player is not a challenge, I can beat it up to Act 5 hell as any class within 2 weeks. lol aight im done talking to you... | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 03 2011 10:43 MrProb wrote: I was bored and get back to play D2 LoD on Single player as Amazon. I think i was stuck at Act4 Hell iirc, I couldnt kill shiet in CS, my Valk and Decoy went down in 1-2secs eventhough i was lucky enough to found Buriza earlier in NM. Yes, time commitment is what its all about but isnt that just sound kinda stupid ? cuz everything is all about time commitment. saying running through the game is not challenging at all is totally absurd eventhough you know what you're doing. The gear u're using are crap and the exp is so slow.There are so many classes that will be struggling on certain places, like melee classes in CS. now tell me that is not challenging. Except if I played softcore I could TP back to baal times infinity and punch him to death. It'd probably take a couple years, but I could do it. There's absolutely no skill when there's really no penalty for dying. When you can TP to a boss as many times as you like the only reason you haven't won is because you haven't put in the time. Again, hardcore takes some oversight to not die, but with a proper stat/skill build (which you can google) you shouldn't have many problems if you have any idea what you're doing. It takes slightly more "skill" to beat hardcore, but there's nothing separating noob from pro besides knowledge and reflexes (if you even want to include such a thing), at least in PvE. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
Please explain how I'm wrong, it seems like all you do is post random irrelevant things that are incorrect, prove that I'm wrong or be gone. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Except if I played softcore I could TP back to baal times infinity and punch him to death. It'd probably take a couple years, but I could do it. There's absolutely no skill when there's really no penalty for dying. When you can TP to a boss as many times as you like the only reason you haven't won is because you haven't put in the time. Again, hardcore takes some oversight to not die, but with a proper stat/skill build (which you can google) you shouldn't have many problems if you have any idea what you're doing. It takes slightly more "skill" to beat hardcore, but there's nothing separating noob from pro besides knowledge and reflexes (if you even want to include such a thing), at least in PvE. Umm i've been play D2 classic in Asian and able to reach lv.80+ in HC with crappy connection then i was the first ever to reach Lv.99 in HC after LoD came out.Also the first Windforce in HC ever was mine (actually a friend of mine found it and i traded it off him) and that was about 10 years ago, so thanks for your advice but i know what im doing. No need to tell me about proper stat/skill build. I never play SC except for a year ago when i was bored and spent a month or 2 on Softcore since theres no point playing hardcore with bunch of bots and most likely no games up | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:12 MrProb wrote: Umm i've been play D2 classic in Asian and able to reach lv.80+ in HC with crappy connection then i was the first ever to reach Lv.99 in HC after LoD came out.Also the first Windforce in HC ever was mine (actually a friend of mine found it and i traded it off him) so i know what im doing. No need to tell me about proper stat/skill build. I never play SC except for a year ago when i was bored and spent a month or 2 on Softcore since theres no point playing hardcore with bunch of bots and most likely no games up Level 99 doesn't take skill, it takes Using no Anni: Level ---- Exp-break ---- Exp for next lvl -- Exp per run --- How many runs 90 ----- 1,618,470,619 ----- 146,072,446 ------ ca 5 mil ---------- 30 91 ----- 1,764,543,065 ----- 159,218,965 ------ ca 3.5 mil -------- 45 92 ----- 1,923,762,030 ----- 173,548,673 ------ ca 2 mil ---------- 87 93 ----- 2,097,310,703 ----- 189,168,053 ------ ca 1.3 mil -------- 145 94 ----- 2,286,478,756 ----- 206,193,177 ------ ca 800k ----------- 257 95 ----- 2,492,671,933 ----- 224,750,564 ------ ca 445k ----------- 503 96 ----- 2,717,422,497 ----- 244,978,115 ------ ca 320k ----------- 765 97 ----- 2,962,400,612 ----- 267,026,144 ------ ca 164k ----------- 1628 98 ----- 3,229,426,756 ----- 291,058,498 ------ ca 64k ------------ 4546 Using +10% experience gained Anni and killing baal&minions each run: Level -- Exp-break -- Exp for next lvl -- Exp per run -- How many runs 90 ---- 1,618,470,619 --- 146,072,446 ----- ca 5.5 mil ------- 27 91 ---- 1,764,543,065 --- 159,218,965 ----- ca 3.85 mil ------ 42 92 ---- 1,923,762,030 --- 173,548,673 ----- ca 2.2 mil ------- 79 93 ---- 2,097,310,703 --- 189,168,053 ----- ca 1.65 mil ------ 115 94 ---- 2,286,478,756 --- 206,193,177 ----- ca 880k ---------- 235 95 ---- 2,492,671,933 --- 224,750,564 ----- ca 490k ---------- 460 96 ---- 2,717,422,497 --- 244,978,115 ----- ca 352k ---------- 696 97 ---- 2,962,400,612 --- 267,026,144 ----- ca 180k ---------- 1484 98 ---- 3,229,426,756 --- 291,058,498 ----- ca 70k ----------- 4135 Using +10% experience gained Anni plus Ondal's and killing Baal + Minions each Run: Level ---- Exp-Break ---- Exp for Next Lvl -- Exp per Run -- How many Runs 90 ---- 1,618,470,619 ---- 146,072,446 ---- ca 5.75 mil ---- about 25-26 91 ---- 1,764,543,065 ---- 159,218,965 ---- ca 4.02 mil ---- about 40-41 92 ---- 1,923,762,030 ---- 173,548,673 ---- ca 2.3 mil ---- about 75 93 ---- 2,097,310,703 ---- 189,168,053 ---- ca 1.82 mil ---- about 100 94 ---- 2,286,478,756 ---- 206,193,177 ---- ca 920k ---- about 224 95 ---- 2,492,671,933 ---- 224,750,564 ---- ca 512k ---- about 438-439 96 ---- 2,717,422,497 ---- 244,978,115 ---- ca 368k ---- about 661-662 97 ---- 2,962,400,612 ---- 267,026,144 ---- ca 188k ---- about 1412 98 ---- 3,229,426,756 ---- 291,058,498 ---- ca 79k ---- about 3929-3930 | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:15 d(O.o)a wrote: Level 99 doesn't take skill, it takes Using no Anni: Level ---- Exp-break ---- Exp for next lvl -- Exp per run --- How many runs 90 ----- 1,618,470,619 ----- 146,072,446 ------ ca 5 mil ---------- 30 91 ----- 1,764,543,065 ----- 159,218,965 ------ ca 3.5 mil -------- 45 92 ----- 1,923,762,030 ----- 173,548,673 ------ ca 2 mil ---------- 87 93 ----- 2,097,310,703 ----- 189,168,053 ------ ca 1.3 mil -------- 145 94 ----- 2,286,478,756 ----- 206,193,177 ------ ca 800k ----------- 257 95 ----- 2,492,671,933 ----- 224,750,564 ------ ca 445k ----------- 503 96 ----- 2,717,422,497 ----- 244,978,115 ------ ca 320k ----------- 765 97 ----- 2,962,400,612 ----- 267,026,144 ------ ca 164k ----------- 1628 98 ----- 3,229,426,756 ----- 291,058,498 ------ ca 64k ------------ 4546 Using +10% experience gained Anni and killing baal&minions each run: Level -- Exp-break -- Exp for next lvl -- Exp per run -- How many runs 90 ---- 1,618,470,619 --- 146,072,446 ----- ca 5.5 mil ------- 27 91 ---- 1,764,543,065 --- 159,218,965 ----- ca 3.85 mil ------ 42 92 ---- 1,923,762,030 --- 173,548,673 ----- ca 2.2 mil ------- 79 93 ---- 2,097,310,703 --- 189,168,053 ----- ca 1.65 mil ------ 115 94 ---- 2,286,478,756 --- 206,193,177 ----- ca 880k ---------- 235 95 ---- 2,492,671,933 --- 224,750,564 ----- ca 490k ---------- 460 96 ---- 2,717,422,497 --- 244,978,115 ----- ca 352k ---------- 696 97 ---- 2,962,400,612 --- 267,026,144 ----- ca 180k ---------- 1484 98 ---- 3,229,426,756 --- 291,058,498 ----- ca 70k ----------- 4135 Using +10% experience gained Anni plus Ondal's and killing Baal + Minions each Run: Level ---- Exp-Break ---- Exp for Next Lvl -- Exp per Run -- How many Runs 90 ---- 1,618,470,619 ---- 146,072,446 ---- ca 5.75 mil ---- about 25-26 91 ---- 1,764,543,065 ---- 159,218,965 ---- ca 4.02 mil ---- about 40-41 92 ---- 1,923,762,030 ---- 173,548,673 ---- ca 2.3 mil ---- about 75 93 ---- 2,097,310,703 ---- 189,168,053 ---- ca 1.82 mil ---- about 100 94 ---- 2,286,478,756 ---- 206,193,177 ---- ca 920k ---- about 224 95 ---- 2,492,671,933 ---- 224,750,564 ---- ca 512k ---- about 438-439 96 ---- 2,717,422,497 ---- 244,978,115 ---- ca 368k ---- about 661-662 97 ---- 2,962,400,612 ---- 267,026,144 ---- ca 188k ---- about 1412 98 ---- 3,229,426,756 ---- 291,058,498 ---- ca 79k ---- about 3929-3930 Um... did i say anything about skill ? i was talking about my experiences of my D2 online. how old are u really ? am i talking to some kid zzzz | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:28 MrProb wrote: Um... did i say anything about skill ? i was talking about my experiences of my D2 online. how old are u really ? am i talking to some kid zzzz It doesn't grant experience either, 80-90, 90-94, 94-99 they're all exactly the same, it's the nature of the game. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Bosko
United States155 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:49 Bosko wrote: Blows my mind how many people mentioned playing d2 single player. I always wonder how game companies can fail at cloning d2 for 10 f'ing years, and now I see gamers that don't even know what makes d2 good. Ever heard of Torchlight or Fate (or any of his babies)? | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
Single player is the only thing that keeps it going for me (and Median XL). Don't agree? That's fine, now please everyone stop ruining the D2 thread with your crap. My favorite character is still the Hybrid Assassin. Death Sentries are so great, can clear hell with mediocre gear, which is a huge plus because I hate farming. Otherwise, I enjoy some builds for each class : Hybrid amazon or ice/multi bowzon Pretty much any whirlwind barb Fanaticism or Holy Freeze or Holy Shock paladins are all fun Elemental melee assassin Poison Necro with minimal summons (golems only pretty much) because I dislike having too many Pretty much every type of sorc, I've made like 50 of these over the years. Nova/FO is still my favorite though, even if it's much worse than it was before synergies. Well, druid is pretty much the only character I don't like. I've tried everything more than once on it, but the only thing I midly like is Werebear, and even then, not so much. I can only hope Diablo 3 will live up to the awesome variety of FUN skills to use. For me, it's the reason Diablo 2 never gets old. I love playing through the game just because the skills are fun to use. A lot of mods make super-skills and overall, even if they have pretty graphics, they almost never feel as good to use as the original ones. Median XL is probably the worse one in this regard, although I like the mod still as it has SOME nice skills and a lot of variety with a lot more features than any other mod I've found. Anyway, definitely recommend Median XL for those finding the original game getting a bit too bland. | ||
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