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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
The one with the ghost and killer bees might have been your best chance-- maybe summon a bunch of imps and take the stairs, the dance go up. The ghost won't follow you, and crimson imps have rpois.
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On January 05 2013 07:12 crate wrote:
The biggest potential problem your character has is a very limited supply of haste. You're pretty strong but doing extended without at least a wand is something I don't like doing (you could manage it if you play well but things would get hairy at some places probably).
I suggest 16 evocations for nemelex, since I think at realistic piety levels that guarantees power 2 effects from legendary decks (and I think 15 doesn't). Also 16 evo gets your rod of inacc down to 5 hunger cost (the minimum) instead of 10 so it's a reasonable place to get to for that too.
Anyway you can certainly do slime--you can just inacc all the dudes (the only thing in slime with any reasonable EV is azure jellies). You can do tomb if you know how to do tomb (if you don't you will probably die). Hellpan is where things can go badly.
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You don't keep getting summoning decks in extended. You will get fewer deck gifts in general since there aren't as many items around (though some hellpan levels have a lot of weapons).
Trowel card was recently changed to only give you one of each portal type that it can give at most, instead of giving you infinite bazaars.
I would acquire staff (for rod) in your case, but this is because I like rods. Otherwise acquire wand and hope for hasting.
Just wanted to add, don't forget that the Helix card can cure bad mutations. It's not *too* reliable, but I usually end up with some ornate/legendary decks of wonder sitting around by endgame that I stack with Helix on the bottom. 2-3 Helixes will usually solve your problems. I recommend not using plain Helix at all.
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On January 05 2013 15:51 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:12 crate wrote:
The biggest potential problem your character has is a very limited supply of haste. You're pretty strong but doing extended without at least a wand is something I don't like doing (you could manage it if you play well but things would get hairy at some places probably).
I suggest 16 evocations for nemelex, since I think at realistic piety levels that guarantees power 2 effects from legendary decks (and I think 15 doesn't). Also 16 evo gets your rod of inacc down to 5 hunger cost (the minimum) instead of 10 so it's a reasonable place to get to for that too.
Anyway you can certainly do slime--you can just inacc all the dudes (the only thing in slime with any reasonable EV is azure jellies). You can do tomb if you know how to do tomb (if you don't you will probably die). Hellpan is where things can go badly.
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You don't keep getting summoning decks in extended. You will get fewer deck gifts in general since there aren't as many items around (though some hellpan levels have a lot of weapons).
Trowel card was recently changed to only give you one of each portal type that it can give at most, instead of giving you infinite bazaars.
I would acquire staff (for rod) in your case, but this is because I like rods. Otherwise acquire wand and hope for hasting. Just wanted to add, don't forget that the Helix card can cure bad mutations. It's not *too* reliable, but I usually end up with some ornate/legendary decks of wonder sitting around by endgame that I stack with Helix on the bottom. 2-3 Helixes will usually solve your problems. I recommend not using plain Helix at all.
had no wonders anymore at the end.
well did slime which was way easier then i expected (outside of catching some bad mutations most of which were avoidable by playing better). last time i fought the jellyking in the open since he stormed at me quite fast when i was still trying to clear the lvl. this time i fought him in the middle which together with lvl 3 demon aid was really easy.
took a quick tour into tomb but decided its not worth the risk after i pulled way too much in the first room. zot went fine mostly. till a stupid orb gave me teleportititis which soon threw me into the uncleared lung which resulted in a sticky situations and more mutations. managed to get tele out ,grab orb and fight my way up.some panlords on the way but nothing major.
so here it is, my 3rd win (and 3rd win in a month) :
http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/BMPenner/morgue-BMPenner-20130105-231901.txt
+ Show Spoiler +2323115 BMPenner the Swordmaster (level 27, 221/221 HPs)
Began as a Demonspawn Fighter on Jan 2, 2013.
Was the Champion of Nemelex Xobeh.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 5 runes on Jan 5, 2013!
The game lasted 14:12:15 (121205 turns).
BMPenner the Swordmaster (Demonspawn Fighter) Turns: 121205, Time: 14:12:15
HP 221/221 AC 44 Str 26 XL: 27
MP 40/40 EV 17 Int 10 (11) God: Nemelex Xobeh [******]
Gold 4522 SH 0 Dex 18 Spells: 0 memorised, 37 levels left
Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + A - +7,+8 triple sword (flame)
Res.Cold : + + . Warding : . p - +3 gold dragon armour
Life Prot.: + + . Conserve : + (no shield)
Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : + c - +2 helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . d - +0 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . O - +1 pair of gloves "Hetoeg" {+Rage rPois Da
Res.Mut. : . Rnd.Telep. : + (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : + Ctrl.Telep.: x a - amulet of Buanug {rCorr rN+ SInv Stlth+}
Saprovore : + . . Levitation : . P - ring of Bretaz {rN+ Acc+6 SInv Stlth--}
Ctrl.Flight: . t - ring of Shaolin {EV+8}
@: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: hooves 3, cold resistance 1, conserve potions, demonic guardian 3, fast
metabolism 1, -10% hp, foul stench 2, passive freeze, saprovore 1, teleportitis
1, AC +8, Int +1, Dex -1
a: Draw One, Peek at Two, Triple Draw, Deal Four, Stack Five, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Berserk Rage
}: 5/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver, abyssal
You escaped.
You worshipped Nemelex Xobeh.
Nemelex Xobeh was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.
You visited 13 branches of the dungeon, and saw 79 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You visited 1 bazaars.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Wizlab.
You collected 7520 gold pieces.
You spent 2630 gold pieces at shops.
5runes in the end, bit sad that i couldnt/didnt go further. really liked my mutation set and my weapon.
btw i blew all scrolls in the game on that triple sword, still couldnt get it higher <.<
again learned more and esp learned nemelex which i now loohoove.
next ill try to finally win a pure caster + castergod. defe,muwz,vpsu or something.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it extremely satisfying to butcher and eat the corpse of a tough unique after you kill it?
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On January 31 2013 04:31 Dienosore wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it extremely satisfying to butcher and eat the corpse of a tough unique after you kill it?
not just you. the "yo you wanted to best me? now i eat your face brah!" feeling is quite cool ~
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Making skeletons of those corpses is also fun. One of my favorite things to do is polymorph enemies so you get like "sigmund the yellow wasp" or similarly hilarious foes
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I've decided to try my hand at extended with my old standby, the Minotaur Berserker. That said, I have no idea how to go about it. I've won twice with the combination, so I'm confident in my ability to 3-rune a game, but 15-rune's gonna be a lot tougher. So: How does the strategy differ? Important questions:
What order should I do branches in? I assume I should follow the 3-rune order up until Zot, but I'm not sure about after that.
When should I switch from Trog to TSO?
What should I spend all the extra xp on?
What other relevant stuff do I need to know?
As for strategy on the specific extended areas, that would be appreciated too, but isn't fully necessary. I can get advice on that as I go. It's the strategic stuff I need to know from the start.
Thanks in advance 
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dont burn books you want
switch gods when you dont want trog any more and can survive trog wrath and you want your new god
learn spells (or just stick with trog if you dont want spells, this is fine if you have a haste wand and enough recharging)
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Wow, thanks for the fast reply! Based on what I've read, I'm guessing I want TSO just before Pandemonium and Hell, and should use Crypt to get piety, so I don't need to switch to TSO until I'm ready to make that attempt. And I want to wait as long as possible before abandoning Trog, because his wrath is incredibly nasty.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Trog wrath is pretty rough, yeah, but once you're high enough leveled it's manageable. Switching to TSO then doing crypt is a great way to gain piety. Your main skill goal is to get Haste castable if you switch to TSO. You'll also want enough invocations to use TSO's powers.
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also try not to be a ddbe with 0 maxmp and no spells, i hear that helps you survive a switch to tso
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I think I had 2 maxmp that game.
I've also definitely ascended with this stat block:
Blazinghand the Invulnerable
HP 151/285 (297) AC 52 Str 28 XL: 27
MP 4/4 EV 7 Int 12 (14) God: the Shining One [******]
Gold 5353 SH 0 Dex 12 Spells: 0 memorised, 28 levels left
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Is it even possible to get Haste castable in Plate armor with an Intellect in the single digits? Or do I need to solve one or both of those obstacles?
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If you want to cast spells you probably want to raise int. With wizardry and ~15 int you get haste castable in plate at about 20 armour, 10 spellcasting, 14 charms.
(Or maybe this is the approximate number without wizardry, I forget. One of the two.)
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So, Str until I'm confident I'll reach 27, then Int after that? Or pure Int from the start?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I'd almost always put all stat gain into Int-- it's basically the best stat. Wearing something lighter isn't so terrible if it comes down to it. That being said if your goal is GDA it's your call.
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Haste is approximately 89742389 times more useful than GDA. FDA or plate is fine.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
In an alarming fit of stupidity I threw away an immensely powerful character on Tomb:3. I had been stair dancing for about 20 minutes and got bored and tried to tornado. 
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/blazinghand/morgue-blazinghand-20130207-090950.txt
+ Show Spoiler +
blazinghand the Anemomancer (HEAE) Turns: 117526, Time: 12:32:16
HP -1/196 (201) AC 36 Str 10 XL: 27
MP 32/50 EV 28 Int 39 God: Ashenzari [*****.]
Gold 4926 SH 13 Dex 19 Spells: 19 memorised, 4 levels left
Res.Fire : + + . See Invis. : + a - +9,+7 eudemon blade (holy)
Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . B - +8 fire dragon armour (curse)
Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . s - +1 buckler {rPois}
Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . C - +2 cap {Int+3} (curse)
Res.Elec. : + Clarity : + Z - +1 cloak of the Songs {rC+ rN+ Int+4 Acc+5
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . U - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Acc+5 Dam+5}
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . K - +2 pair of orc boots {rC+} (curse)
Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: x O - amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 R
Saprovore : . . . Flight : . J - cursed +4,+5 ring of slaying
o - cursed ring of wizardry
@: repel missiles, quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: Str +1, Dex +2
a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, silver
Skills:
* Level 20.2 Fighting
Level 10.3 Short Blades
- Level 12.0 Long Blades
- Level 15.0(18.5) Armour
- Level 17.2(20.5) Dodging
- Level 2.1 Stealth
- Level 5.2 Shields
- Level 5.2 Traps
- Level 26.0 Spellcasting
- Level 8.2(10.9) Conjurations
Level 2.0(4.0) Hexes
- Level 10.4(12.9) Charms
- Level 7.4(10.1) Summonings
- Level 4.5(7.0) Necromancy
- Level 5.1(7.7) Translocations
- Level 6.4(9.1) Transmutations
- Level 4.3(6.8) Ice Magic
- Level 26.1(27) Air Magic
- Level 4.7(7.3) Poison Magic
You had 4 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Airstrike Air #########. 0% 4 None
b - Deflect Missiles Chrm/Air #########. 1% 6 None
c - Swiftness Chrm/Air #########. 0% 2 None
d - Static Discharge Conj/Air ######### 0% 3 None
e - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ########.. 1% 3 None
f - Death Channel Necr ########.. 3% 6 None
g - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 1% 1 None
h - Animate Dead Necr N/A 1% 4 None
i - Sublimation of Blood Necr ########.. 1% 2 None
j - Alistair's Intoxicat Trmt/Pois ########. 1% 4 None
k - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #########. 0% 5 None
l - Haste Chrm ######### 1% 6 None
m - Tornado Air #########. 1% 9 None
n - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj ########. 1% 4 None
o - Shock Conj/Air ##### 0% 1 None
p - Summon Elemental Summ ########.. 1% 4 None
q - Apportation Tloc ########.. 1% 1 None
r - Freezing Cloud Conj/Ice/Air #########. 1% 6 None
s - Abjuration Summ ########.. 1% 3 None
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FINALLY !
My first win, totally unexpected, but there it is...
+ Show Spoiler + Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f (tiles) character file.
1586410 Cynry the Skullcrusher (level 27, 260/260 (277) HPs)
Began as a Minotaur Fighter on Feb 14, 2013.
Was the Champion of Ashenzari.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 3 runes!
The game lasted 05:40:11 (84966 turns).
Cynry the Skullcrusher (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 84966, Time: 05:40:11
HP 260/260 (277) AC 39 Str 29 XL: 27
MP 36/36 EV 35 Int 6 God: Ashenzari [******]
Gold 5755 SH 60 Dex 24 Spells: 0 memorised, 26 levels left
Res.Fire : + + + See Invis. : + P - +8 eveningstar (flame)
Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . Y - +2 pearl dragon armour (curse)
Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . v - +1 dwarf large shield (curse)
Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : + A - +2 cap of Rationality {rF+ Str+4 Int+1}
Res.Elec. : + Clarity : + J - +4 dragonskin cloak
Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . W - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
Res.Mut. : . Stasis : + q - -2 pair of elf boots (curse)
Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: x O - amulet of Mnaodac {Stasis rF+ Acc+6}
Saprovore : . . . Flight : . y - ring of regeneration
G - cursed ring "Hafyubiare" {rF+ rC+ AC+3 Str
@: slow, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, deterioration 2, screaming 2, slowness 1
a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer
You escaped.
You worshipped Ashenzari.
Ashenzari was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.
You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 64 of its levels.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You also visited: Labyrinth, Ice Cave and Volcano.
You collected 9887 gold pieces.
You spent 4152 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
P - a +8,+8 eveningstar of flaming (weapon)
T - a +3,+5 vampiric morningstar
Armour
j - a +2 orcish cloak of preservation
q - a cursed -2 pair of elven boots (worn)
v - a cursed +1 dwarven large shield (worn)
A - the cursed +2 cap of Rationality (worn) {rF+ Str+4 Int+1}
(You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)
It affects your strength (+4).
It affects your intelligence (+1).
It protects you from fire.
It has a curse placed upon it.
J - the +4 dragonskin cloak (worn)
(You took it off Tiamat on level 4 of the Realm of Zot)
W - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
Y - a cursed +2 pearl dragon armour (worn)
Magical devices
f - a wand of digging (8)
k - a wand of disintegration (16)
w - a wand of heal wounds (8)
I - a wand of frost (7)
S - a wand of teleportation (2)
Comestibles
b - 4 meat rations
d - 5 bread rations
g - 2 apples
B - 2 chokos
E - 2 pears
Scrolls
l - a scroll of magic mapping
s - a scroll of recharging
u - 6 scrolls of remove curse
z - 5 scrolls of identify
C - a scroll of blinking
H - a scroll of enchant weapon III
L - 4 scrolls of teleportation
Jewellery
n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
o - an uncursed ring of teleport control
p - an uncursed ring of flight
r - the ring of Entrepreneurial Spirit {rPois rF+ MR}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
[ring of protection from fire]
It protects you from poison.
It increases your resistance to enchantments.
y - a ring of regeneration (right hand)
G - the cursed ring "Hafyubiare" (left hand) {rF+ rC+ AC+3 Str+2 Dam+2 Stlth++}
(You found it on level 26 of the Dungeon)
[ring of protection]
It affects your AC (+3).
It affects your strength (+2).
It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+2).
It protects you from fire.
It protects you from cold.
It makes you much more stealthy.
It has a curse placed upon it.
O - the amulet of Mnaodac (around neck) {Stasis rF+ Acc+6}
(You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
[amulet of stasis]
It affects your accuracy (+6).
It protects you from fire.
Q - an uncursed ring of teleportation
Potions
a - 2 potions of berserk rage
c - a potion of might
h - 7 potions of curing
m - 2 potions of restore abilities
x - a potion of heal wounds
Orbs of Power
K - the Orb of Zot
Rods
e - a +3 rod of destruction [ice] (14/14)
(You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
F - a +3 rod of destruction [fire] (11/11)
(You found it on level 4 of the Realm of Zot)
Skills:
O Level 27 Fighting
Level 1,0 Axes
O Level 27 Maces & Flails
+ Level 26,4(27) Armour
- Level 22,5(24,5) Dodging
O Level 27 Shields
- Level 3,5 Traps
- Level 14,7 Evocations
You had 26 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (27/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (4/4) D:6
Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:13 Shoals (5/5) Lair:3
Spider (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Vaults (5/5) D:19
Blade (1/1) Vaults:3 Crypt (0/5) Vaults:2 Zot (5/5) D:27
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Makhleb
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Shops:
D:5: ( D:6: + D:17: ? D:23: * D:25: * D:26: +? D:27: [* Orc:4: [*=+(!
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