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Rhokdar
Denmark240 Posts
If you know some cool turn-based one let me know anyways  Edit: Just to clarify. I know there is no such thing as a turn-based RTS I meant either a RTS OR a turn-based. And i can play with 50 apm np. Just meant a game with more hard counters. So more thinking, less macro/micro. | ||
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
supreme commander 2 maybe, but nothing will be as fun/competetive as sc2 and theres not many other rts's with as big as a playerbase | ||
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Gozos
United States19 Posts
The community for it is much smaller then Starcraft however and the game was broken for periods of time due to extended periods between balance patches, I'm not sure on its current state. | ||
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mcht
Germany201 Posts
for a turn-based game i recommend chess also many years ago i played a lot of battle isle if anyone can remember that | ||
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Rhokdar
Denmark240 Posts
On November 21 2010 02:46 mcht wrote: a turn-based rts ? i think u got something wrong there ^^ for a turn-based game i recommend chess also many years ago i played a lot of battle isle if anyone can remember thatDidnt write turn-based RTS Just wrote that if you knew some turn-based game, you should let me know aswell. I do know that you cant have a turn-based RTS. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
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Effect010
Germany89 Posts
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Metalwing
Turkey1038 Posts
On November 21 2010 02:39 Rhokdar wrote: Just wondering if anyone knew a RTS with more focus on overall strategy and tactics with a low APM req? If you know some cool turn-based one let me know anyways SC2 (but you need to play Terran and take the risk of being in the silver league). And yeah, Chess is a good suggestion for a turn based RTS. And also Risk (if you like luck as a factor with a weight of %95). | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
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seRapH
United States9799 Posts
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Almeisan
50 Posts
Most of the older games have less automation than SC2 has. SC2 is hard because you need to play against each build several times so you can learn how to play against it and small details decide the game. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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mcht
Germany201 Posts
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gravethrasher
Norway89 Posts
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eNbee
Belgium487 Posts
OP : Total war is pretty low APM requirement, and a ton of fun! | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
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IcyPringle
Canada210 Posts
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
nice RTS with lowest APM requirement at the moment. and it makes you feel like a general hahahah | ||
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Babaganoush
United States626 Posts
There's another genre called TBS or "turn based strategy." Games under this category include titles such as Civilization, Chess, Final Fantasy Tactics, and pretty much any other game that has "Tactics" at the end of their name. Two games I know of that have a pretty small APM requirement. First being Total War. There's no unit building within the battles (you do that in that campaign map) and what makes you win the battle is the positioning of your troops and when to attack. Fun game, but I personally dont like the AI imo. Second game I really enjoyed was Company of Heroes. There's only a handful of people left that play the game but it's pretty fun. This is less of an economy game and focuses more on composition of units and positioning. | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
As far as cool turn based ones there are of course one that comes in mind ,Heroes of might and magic 3 :D | ||
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yeti
United States259 Posts
On November 21 2010 02:45 valug wrote: I played Company of Heroes before Starcraft 2, it has a much smaller emphasis on micro/macro, but with a much bigger emphasis on positioning and strategy. The community for it is much smaller then Starcraft however and the game was broken for periods of time due to extended periods between balance patches, I'm not sure on its current state. I also played Company of Heroes (CoH) in between SC:BW and SC2. IMO, not as fun as SC, but it is still one of the better ones out there. 50 amp is all you need to be good, and I lose a lot to my 35 amp friends. Balance... is as valug says. The wervmacht vs american battle is the closest thing to SC:BW ZvT that I have come across, however the patches often mess up the balance, and the other races just suck. Worth a try. You can probably get the complete CoH pack with both expansions for around $25 (depending on the Steam sale price of course.) | ||
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Metalwing
Turkey1038 Posts
On November 21 2010 03:22 IcyPringle wrote: SC2? I have 50 apm average and I'm 1800+ diamond ez, I mean how much apm are we talking here? I think single digit. Because 50 sounds huge to this guy.. And what race do you play? | ||
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Wheats
United States68 Posts
Though I think in Civ and a few others like Sword of the Stars there is the option for timered turns so having some speed can make you more successful than other players. I'll just suggest SotS I guess, it has a grand overview mode and then tactical combat during fleet engagements. Or you could play AI Wars, but I think that is co-op only in multiplayer. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On November 21 2010 03:28 Meatloaf wrote: RUSE nice RTS with lowest APM requirement at the moment. and it makes you feel like a general hahahah I found that game deeply, horribly confusing. I literally had no idea what was going on at any point. @OP Heroes of Might and Magic 3 is turn based! It's awesome AND nostalgia inducing. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Almeisan
50 Posts
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Almeisan
50 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On November 21 2010 04:27 Almeisan wrote: Total War isn't RTS. CoH arguably isn't RTS either. I could see you make an argument for Total war not being an RTS, but there is no way you could convince anyone not dumb as fuck that CoH isn't an RTS.... | ||
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TributeBoxer
United States163 Posts
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TributeBoxer
United States163 Posts
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Beamer
United States242 Posts
Of course, I agree with the concept that more APM will generally lead to better play (if your APM is constructive APM). I also believe that Starcraft 2 has one of the largest playerbases of any RTS. Putting these two ideas together, you're going to get a game that requires a higher APM in order to make it to the top. If you want an RTS with a lower APM requirement, you're going to want a game with a smaller playerbase, which leads to less competition, and therefore, less skill to be considered "good." Spring excels on this point, so I think you should give it a try, especially since it's free. Here it is if you're interested. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
http://www.tempestchess.com/ Unless you play at max speed, then you have a pretty high apm requirement | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On November 21 2010 03:28 Meatloaf wrote: RUSE nice RTS with lowest APM requirement at the moment. and it makes you feel like a general hahahah I would say anything from Paradox Interactive has lowest APM requirements. It is very unlike common RTSes though. | ||
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mcbrite
Germany229 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
- Heroes of Might&Magic(recommend 3) - Disciples 1/2/3 -Etherlords King's bounty has fancy new graphics and is basically HOMM. There's also some game named "Sins of Solar Empire" it's more about resource management, isn't that apm intense and it's quite fun. Give it a try, it's similiar to civilizations/master of orion, oh and yea it has awesome space battles! | ||
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TymerA
Netherlands759 Posts
I used to play chess and it really is just like Starcraft, minus the apm (Unless you do it clocked). Bonus: The pro community consists out of gentlemen ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/8cZaK.jpg) | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
This wasn't meant to post, sorry  | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
You were asking for Turn based Strategy games as well, right? | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
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TacTican
United States26 Posts
Surprisingly fun game. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
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Akzever
Canada94 Posts
That game is awesome, low apm, really intense (3d) strategy. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1769 Posts
Im serious. Ive seen top diamond ladder players with 50 apm | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On November 21 2010 05:05 TymerA wrote: Chess online is really nice. Really. A lot of strategy/''build-orders''. Posibilities are endless I used to play chess and it really is just like Starcraft, minus the apm (Unless you do it clocked). Bonus: The pro community consists out of gentlemen I actually considered Kasparov as my ID, just because holy fuck is that a cool name or what? Always loved chess as a kid, no one to play with though so I never got good =( | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
On November 21 2010 04:39 Jakalo wrote: I would say anything from Paradox Interactive has lowest APM requirements. It is very unlike common RTSes though. Paradox doesnt make RTS that i know , they make turn based strategy , and are all great , Hearts of Iron 2 was just Awesome. RUSE is a RTS but the pace is so slow and the map is so big that makes APM almost unnecesary , you act like a general sending your troops to positions in a "board" that is the battlefield. the game is pretty nice , I was in the beta and liked it a lot because is all about the big strategy gameplan that you have , a single unit is worthless if its not well positioned.(i.e. infantry in the forest) when I have the money ill definetely get it. this series of videos show it quite OK. | ||
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mumming
Faroe Islands256 Posts
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Almeisan
50 Posts
On November 21 2010 04:32 nttea wrote: I could see you make an argument for Total war not being an RTS, but there is no way you could convince anyone not dumb as fuck that CoH isn't an RTS.... I was able to reach a consensus on wikipedia. It was listed as an RTS before because that's how the developer marketed the game. Now it's changed. It was really easy to reach consensus on changing as it is obviously not an RTS genre as it lacks all the genre-defining features. | ||
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Wheats
United States68 Posts
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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spaceinvader
Germany7 Posts
I played it over a long peroid of time because of always new fan made stuff. Edit: http://www.wesnoth.org/ | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.microsoft.com/games/impossiblecreatures/img/screens/ss23.jpg) | ||
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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
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Fallacy
United States227 Posts
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
Also it has gorgeous graphics and a good single player campaign. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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DeegDip
Portugal10 Posts
Recommended turn-based strategy: Heroes of Might and Magic (2 and 3 are the best ones) | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
You didn't specify platform. At the same time, you do everything in one fucking turn. HOW LESS APM REQUIREMENT DO YOU NEED? | ||
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Coriolis
United States1152 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
For Galactic Civilizations, you should be warned that it has a MASSIVE learning curve, whilst Sins isn't so hard to pick up on. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On November 21 2010 09:49 DeegDip wrote: Recommended turn-based strategy: Heroes of Might and Magic (2 and 3 are the best ones) Nostalgia Alert. I probably played this more than anything else around 01-02. Absolutely awesome game (The third one) | ||
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Coriolis
United States1152 Posts
On November 21 2010 11:02 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote: If you like 4x strategy games I would suggest Sins of a Solar Empire and Galactic Civilizations 2: Dread Lords. For Galactic Civilizations, you should be warned that it has a MASSIVE learning curve, whilst Sins isn't so hard to pick up on. Twilight of the Arnor is better if you ask me, but since you need dread lords to play it anyways it doesn't matter. | ||
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SonicTitan
United States249 Posts
Basically, the idea that RTS requires high APM is built into the design of the genre itself, and Fleet Command changes the design of the game enough that it remains INSANELY deep (and difficult) but requires zero micromanagement, if you choose. Seriously. I can't understate how brilliant the game is. It's like Sins of a Solar Empire, but better. Play it. | ||
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
I always liked Disciples II for a turn based game. | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
I think the OP's request is a little silly, the amount of APM a game requires isn't really a strict definable value, even if it is it probably isn't that significant to your enjoyment of the game. Just try out some games and see what you like. Tryout Mechcommander 1&2 for some old school Mechwarrior strategy. | ||
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TrueIsAwesome
Finland160 Posts
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On November 21 2010 11:10 SonicTitan wrote: Try AI War: Fleet Command. I cannot stress this enough. I did a small write-up about it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166733. The game seems to be absolutely IMPERVIOUS to the praise it deserves, and the thread didn't get a single reply. Basically, the idea that RTS requires high APM is built into the design of the genre itself, and Fleet Command changes the design of the game enough that it remains INSANELY deep (and difficult) but requires zero micromanagement, if you choose. Seriously. I can't understate how brilliant the game is. It's like Sins of a Solar Empire, but better. Play it. I second this. AI War is a very epic game. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On November 21 2010 11:47 TrueIsAwesome wrote: Santiago dominated Dawn of War and the expansions with 60 apm I thought Select dominated Dawn of War?? At least that's what people in the SCII community always bring up. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17708 Posts
On November 21 2010 09:42 dcberkeley wrote: Company of Heroes Actually, when you start getting higher levels there and playing against better people, in order to keep up you really need pretty sick multi-tasking. It's not a very micro-intensive game, but APM requirement to be any good in it is pretty high. This should give you an idea: | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On November 21 2010 02:48 Mikilatov wrote: Yeah there's no such thing as a turn based RTS, haha... SC2's demands really aren't that much though unless you want to play at the very highest levels. You can be diamond in SC2 with like 30 APM. Sad, but true... | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On November 21 2010 11:09 Fargoth wrote: Twilight of the Arnor is better if you ask me, but since you need dread lords to play it anyways it doesn't matter. Yeah I never got Twilight of the Arnor >.< I Actually just found gal civ for ten bucks at target one day (at the time I had not Idea what the game was about), and I was like YEAH CHEAP GAME!!!! | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:53 Manit0u wrote: Actually, when you start getting higher levels there and playing against better people, in order to keep up you really need pretty sick multi-tasking. It's not a very micro-intensive game, but APM requirement to be any good in it is pretty high. 0 Uh, no. Right after Opposing fronts was released, I was a top 5 player (reached lvl 15-lvl 18) in all 4 races with an amazing average apm of 40. COH is all about decision making and strategy. There is almost zero macro but a bit of micro. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On November 21 2010 05:57 Meatloaf wrote: Paradox doesnt make RTS that i know , they make turn based strategy , and are all great , Hearts of Iron 2 was just Awesome. RUSE is a RTS but the pace is so slow and the map is so big that makes APM almost unnecesary , you act like a general sending your troops to positions in a "board" that is the battlefield. the game is pretty nice , I was in the beta and liked it a lot because is all about the big strategy gameplan that you have , a single unit is worthless if its not well positioned.(i.e. infantry in the forest) when I have the money ill definetely get it. this series of videos show it quite OK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X46FNvOVQLo&feature=related They are all real time strategies. Or grand strategy if you prefer. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
It's extremely polished for an open-source game, has a decent multiplayer community and is quite competitive. Can't say much about balance as I haven't played it in a while, but a year or so ago it was quite decent. One thing that could put you off though is that it's heavily randomized and thus luck based. | ||
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Beefwipe
United Kingdom56 Posts
+ In terms of other games, Company of Heroes is pretty decent, and Civilisation V is nice as well. I also used to love Age of Empires, but I stopped playing at AoE2. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
To be honest you can play sc2 with a minimum of 60-90 and be 2k+ (e.g. trump, although for zerg i'd say you need at least 80-90 (idealy 120-130) to get there), but i guess watching pro's from bw play for the last decade heavily influenced my opinion on what 'low' apm is... | ||
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Danjoh
Sweden405 Posts
Avoid the 4th one at all costs tho, just pretend that game never happened. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:53 Manit0u wrote: Actually, when you start getting higher levels there and playing against better people, in order to keep up you really need pretty sick multi-tasking. It's not a very micro-intensive game, but APM requirement to be any good in it is pretty high. This should give you an idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvyi-2fw_v0 Doesn't look too frantic really. I don't know how much stuff he could've done in addition to what he did though, but I never got the feel that he's limited by his multitasking ability. Not much simultaneous battles, not much base management needed. | ||
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SlaverR
Germany87 Posts
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