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On April 14 2013 04:18 Audemed wrote: Is cavern of souls used outside of standard? I really want to pick up a set but iits hard to do so when they rotate so soon... Goblins in Legacy and sideboards of some creature decks in Modern.
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So itll crash after rotation then huh? Lame.
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On April 13 2013 22:56 Judicator wrote: Dont think this works on a budget level. That deck's concept is built entirely on incremental advantage to basically nickel and dime your way to victory, not sure this version does that well enough. Basically in these sum of the parts greater than the whole decks I dont think you can just swap like that. I would rather have removal than Faithmender for aggro in these decks since you dont have cards like tusks and healers etc.
Surprise, 5-2 placing 12th out of 74. Called the meta correctly, mainly RG, Naya, Some other aggro deck. Very few midrange and control. Deck thrived and should have gone 6-1 but I missed played vs RG dying to triple searing spear in grip, then Thundermaw off the top game 2.
I dont remember the order I played them but the Match-ups went as follows
1-1 vs UWR Flash 0-1 GR Aggro 1-0 Mono Red 1-0 BR aggro 1-0 Golgari aggro 1-0 Selesnya Midrange?(mana dorks, rancor, silverblades, sublimes, Smiters)
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So 1-2 against actual decks... 
Grats on the win regardless. Not sure how you misplay against triple Spear though, that just happens when you're playing with sack effects.
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On April 14 2013 10:18 Judicator wrote:So 1-2 against actual decks...  Grats on the win regardless. Not sure how you misplay against triple Spear though, that just happens when you're playing with sack effects.
When you block wrong earlier in the game which causes you to lose to triple searing spear at the end is how you misplay. I don't have blood artist so my sac effects are simply for skirsdag and pro colors.
Also not to make excuses but I drew so poorly against the one UWR match-up. Mull to 5 in game 2 and have 8 lands in play at the end of the game...was so frustrating.
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Only matches I've lost in the last 3 FNMs (1 a piece) were all to Naya/Boros blitz decks where I stumbled on mana. Last night, I had 7 lands, 2 Farseeks, and all 6 of my mana dorks in play or in the graveyard, with only the Thragtusk and Smiter in my opening hand as non-mana sources. It happens, though.
At least I got to Aurelia's Fury a couple of people out, it felt great.
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On April 14 2013 10:26 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:18 Judicator wrote:So 1-2 against actual decks...  Grats on the win regardless. Not sure how you misplay against triple Spear though, that just happens when you're playing with sack effects. When you block wrong earlier in the game which causes you to lose to triple searing spear at the end is how you misplay. I don't have blood artist so my sac effects are simply for skirsdag and pro colors. Also not to make excuses but I drew so poorly against the one UWR match-up. Mull to 5 in game 2 and have 8 lands in play at the end of the game...was so frustrating.
I played against that deck a few times tonight while watching SCG Milwaukee. Didn't think much of it in the Esper match-up, they need to resolve a Obzedat or an FalkA to actually win, but I felt like the pilots were pretty incompetent.
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On April 14 2013 11:50 deth2munkies wrote: Only matches I've lost in the last 3 FNMs (1 a piece) were all to Naya/Boros blitz decks where I stumbled on mana. Last night, I had 7 lands, 2 Farseeks, and all 6 of my mana dorks in play or in the graveyard, with only the Thragtusk and Smiter in my opening hand as non-mana sources. It happens, though.
At least I got to Aurelia's Fury a couple of people out, it felt great.
Yea it happens. It's nothing to get mad about. I find Magic is sort of this Zen thing with me. I tend to make better plays and my deck seems to reward my more laid back approach. i know the deck doesn't literally reward me, but the ability to just accept it and move on instead of get frustrated and go on tilt like i used to do has really shown in my recent magic adventures.
Also it's a lot more fun when you an candidly talk with an opponent after a game instead of them being super pissed they got mana flooded.
Another thing Judicator, I would love to play the aristocrats deck, but with Dragon's Maze coming soon and funds being an issue I just play budget fun decks that are similar to standard decks that fit my store format. Like honestly I would probably be playing BW zombies if I wasn't playing this. I love this game and even if I don't win all the time I would rather play and lose than not play at all you know? MTG and LoL are like my new BW. Something I can go to when I'm depressed or mad and just relax and play or deck build or something. I think I get more out of the quirks of deck building than I do the game itself. I honestly think I play just to see if crazy stuff can win games. Like my RWB tokens list when lingering souls and hellrider were first printed, or the Awakening Zone/Furnace Celebration "combo" in scars/Zendikar. Maybe I'm writing a bit too much and getting too gushy about this, but in my first two events with this deck after not playing Standard since ravnica was released, it feels good to play with people like Musser, Kovacs, and the Gearharts and still compete even with my budget deck. Like this guy was in top 16 with this crazy BG Slitherhead, Lotleth troll, Predator ooze deck and that's the kind of stuff I love to see. People who give zero shits about the meta, play what they think is fun and win anyways. Now I'm rambling and just talking about stuff I've probably already said but whatever I guess.
Now back to Actual card discussion. My friends and I were thinking of post-Innistrad Standard without this smooth mana and do you guys think Guildgates or keyrunes will see play when 2014 comes out? Especially if they don't reprint the tap lands, or do something crazy like reprint Onslaught/Zendikar fetches in a core set.
Edit: as I say I would play BW zombies, a list top 16s at Starcity.
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On April 14 2013 12:14 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:50 deth2munkies wrote: Only matches I've lost in the last 3 FNMs (1 a piece) were all to Naya/Boros blitz decks where I stumbled on mana. Last night, I had 7 lands, 2 Farseeks, and all 6 of my mana dorks in play or in the graveyard, with only the Thragtusk and Smiter in my opening hand as non-mana sources. It happens, though.
At least I got to Aurelia's Fury a couple of people out, it felt great. Yea it happens. It's nothing to get mad about. I find Magic is sort of this Zen thing with me. I tend to make better plays and my deck seems to reward my more laid back approach. i know the deck doesn't literally reward me, but the ability to just accept it and move on instead of get frustrated and go on tilt like i used to do has really shown in my recent magic adventures. Also it's a lot more fun when you an candidly talk with an opponent after a game instead of them being super pissed they got mana flooded. Another thing Judicator, I would love to play the aristocrats deck, but with Dragon's Maze coming soon and funds being an issue I just play budget fun decks that are similar to standard decks that fit my store format. Like honestly I would probably be playing BW zombies if I wasn't playing this. I love this game and even if I don't win all the time I would rather play and lose than not play at all you know? MTG and LoL are like my new BW. Something I can go to when I'm depressed or mad and just relax and play or deck build or something. I think I get more out of the quirks of deck building than I do the game itself. I honestly think I play just to see if crazy stuff can win games. Like my RWB tokens list when lingering souls and hellrider were first printed, or the Awakening Zone/Furnace Celebration "combo" in scars/Zendikar. Maybe I'm writing a bit too much and getting too gushy about this, but in my first two events with this deck after not playing Standard since ravnica was released, it feels good to play with people like Musser, Kovacs, and the Gearharts and still compete even with my budget deck. Like this guy was in top 16 with this crazy BG Slitherhead, Lotleth troll, Predator ooze deck and that's the kind of stuff I love to see. People who give zero shits about the meta, play what they think is fun and win anyways. Now I'm rambling and just talking about stuff I've probably already said but whatever I guess. Now back to Actual card discussion. My friends and I were thinking of post-Innistrad Standard without this smooth mana and do you guys think Guildgates or keyrunes will see play when 2014 comes out? Especially if they don't reprint the tap lands, or do something crazy like reprint Onslaught/Zendikar fetches in a core set. Edit: as I say I would play BW zombies, a list top 16s at Starcity.
I can tell you that I don't spend more than the average drafter. Like never bought cards for a standard deck and borrowed when I needed to. Budget is more manageable than people think. I don't stick closely to cards, but I do pay attention to what is being played which is one of the reason I can fund an Esper deck just from 1 box of ISD and weekly drafts (my store doesn't do standard at FMN).
My advice for those looking to play standard after rotation. Pick up shocklands after DGM releases, they're going to be as low as they possibly can. There's nothing wrong with what you said or anything, but really guys, it's not like trading on the floor of the NYSE. It really is just pay attention to certain cards that you see in standard tourneys.
Guildgates won't, Keyrunes maybe.
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On April 14 2013 12:44 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 12:14 Shotcoder wrote:On April 14 2013 11:50 deth2munkies wrote: Only matches I've lost in the last 3 FNMs (1 a piece) were all to Naya/Boros blitz decks where I stumbled on mana. Last night, I had 7 lands, 2 Farseeks, and all 6 of my mana dorks in play or in the graveyard, with only the Thragtusk and Smiter in my opening hand as non-mana sources. It happens, though.
At least I got to Aurelia's Fury a couple of people out, it felt great. Yea it happens. It's nothing to get mad about. I find Magic is sort of this Zen thing with me. I tend to make better plays and my deck seems to reward my more laid back approach. i know the deck doesn't literally reward me, but the ability to just accept it and move on instead of get frustrated and go on tilt like i used to do has really shown in my recent magic adventures. Also it's a lot more fun when you an candidly talk with an opponent after a game instead of them being super pissed they got mana flooded. Another thing Judicator, I would love to play the aristocrats deck, but with Dragon's Maze coming soon and funds being an issue I just play budget fun decks that are similar to standard decks that fit my store format. Like honestly I would probably be playing BW zombies if I wasn't playing this. I love this game and even if I don't win all the time I would rather play and lose than not play at all you know? MTG and LoL are like my new BW. Something I can go to when I'm depressed or mad and just relax and play or deck build or something. I think I get more out of the quirks of deck building than I do the game itself. I honestly think I play just to see if crazy stuff can win games. Like my RWB tokens list when lingering souls and hellrider were first printed, or the Awakening Zone/Furnace Celebration "combo" in scars/Zendikar. Maybe I'm writing a bit too much and getting too gushy about this, but in my first two events with this deck after not playing Standard since ravnica was released, it feels good to play with people like Musser, Kovacs, and the Gearharts and still compete even with my budget deck. Like this guy was in top 16 with this crazy BG Slitherhead, Lotleth troll, Predator ooze deck and that's the kind of stuff I love to see. People who give zero shits about the meta, play what they think is fun and win anyways. Now I'm rambling and just talking about stuff I've probably already said but whatever I guess. Now back to Actual card discussion. My friends and I were thinking of post-Innistrad Standard without this smooth mana and do you guys think Guildgates or keyrunes will see play when 2014 comes out? Especially if they don't reprint the tap lands, or do something crazy like reprint Onslaught/Zendikar fetches in a core set. Edit: as I say I would play BW zombies, a list top 16s at Starcity. I can tell you that I don't spend more than the average drafter. Like never bought cards for a standard deck and borrowed when I needed to. Budget is more manageable than people think. I don't stick closely to cards, but I do pay attention to what is being played which is one of the reason I can fund an Esper deck just from 1 box of ISD and weekly drafts (my store doesn't do standard at FMN). My advice for those looking to play standard after rotation. Pick up shocklands after DGM releases, they're going to be as low as they possibly can. There's nothing wrong with what you said or anything, but really guys, it's not like trading on the floor of the NYSE. It really is just pay attention to certain cards that you see in standard tourneys. Guildgates won't, Keyrunes maybe.
If I had a job, this wouldnt be an issue. I would totally have all 40 shocks and be drafting and trading for whatever else I needed. But I've also had to pitch a $700 modern deck and same-ish legacy deck to pay rent. It doesn't feel good at all. I play for fun until I get out of my parent's house that i recently moved back into and find a job that can sustain me. I played Zendikar/Scars standard off $50 into two event decks and whatever packs I won, and Scars/Innistrad of trades from that. I know how that goes, somethings in my past just didn't go the way I thought they would.
This is the same advice I gave my friend who is currently trying to get into magic.
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On April 14 2013 12:54 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 12:44 Judicator wrote:On April 14 2013 12:14 Shotcoder wrote:On April 14 2013 11:50 deth2munkies wrote: Only matches I've lost in the last 3 FNMs (1 a piece) were all to Naya/Boros blitz decks where I stumbled on mana. Last night, I had 7 lands, 2 Farseeks, and all 6 of my mana dorks in play or in the graveyard, with only the Thragtusk and Smiter in my opening hand as non-mana sources. It happens, though.
At least I got to Aurelia's Fury a couple of people out, it felt great. Yea it happens. It's nothing to get mad about. I find Magic is sort of this Zen thing with me. I tend to make better plays and my deck seems to reward my more laid back approach. i know the deck doesn't literally reward me, but the ability to just accept it and move on instead of get frustrated and go on tilt like i used to do has really shown in my recent magic adventures. Also it's a lot more fun when you an candidly talk with an opponent after a game instead of them being super pissed they got mana flooded. Another thing Judicator, I would love to play the aristocrats deck, but with Dragon's Maze coming soon and funds being an issue I just play budget fun decks that are similar to standard decks that fit my store format. Like honestly I would probably be playing BW zombies if I wasn't playing this. I love this game and even if I don't win all the time I would rather play and lose than not play at all you know? MTG and LoL are like my new BW. Something I can go to when I'm depressed or mad and just relax and play or deck build or something. I think I get more out of the quirks of deck building than I do the game itself. I honestly think I play just to see if crazy stuff can win games. Like my RWB tokens list when lingering souls and hellrider were first printed, or the Awakening Zone/Furnace Celebration "combo" in scars/Zendikar. Maybe I'm writing a bit too much and getting too gushy about this, but in my first two events with this deck after not playing Standard since ravnica was released, it feels good to play with people like Musser, Kovacs, and the Gearharts and still compete even with my budget deck. Like this guy was in top 16 with this crazy BG Slitherhead, Lotleth troll, Predator ooze deck and that's the kind of stuff I love to see. People who give zero shits about the meta, play what they think is fun and win anyways. Now I'm rambling and just talking about stuff I've probably already said but whatever I guess. Now back to Actual card discussion. My friends and I were thinking of post-Innistrad Standard without this smooth mana and do you guys think Guildgates or keyrunes will see play when 2014 comes out? Especially if they don't reprint the tap lands, or do something crazy like reprint Onslaught/Zendikar fetches in a core set. Edit: as I say I would play BW zombies, a list top 16s at Starcity. I can tell you that I don't spend more than the average drafter. Like never bought cards for a standard deck and borrowed when I needed to. Budget is more manageable than people think. I don't stick closely to cards, but I do pay attention to what is being played which is one of the reason I can fund an Esper deck just from 1 box of ISD and weekly drafts (my store doesn't do standard at FMN). My advice for those looking to play standard after rotation. Pick up shocklands after DGM releases, they're going to be as low as they possibly can. There's nothing wrong with what you said or anything, but really guys, it's not like trading on the floor of the NYSE. It really is just pay attention to certain cards that you see in standard tourneys. Guildgates won't, Keyrunes maybe. If I had a job, this wouldnt be an issue. I would totally have all 40 shocks and be drafting and trading for whatever else I needed. But I've also had to pitch a $700 modern deck and same-ish legacy deck to pay rent. It doesn't feel good at all. I play for fun until I get out of my parent's house that i recently moved back into and find a job that can sustain me. I played Zendikar/Scars standard off $50 into two event decks and whatever packs I won, and Scars/Innistrad of trades from that. I know how that goes, somethings in my past just didn't go the way I thought they would. This is the same advice I gave my friend who is currently trying to get into magic.
Whelp, that's more of you shouldn't be playing magic right now more than anything. Play on MWS when you get the urge. Focus on other things. You shouldn't ever feel like you need to play Magic, that's not healthy, it's a game and it certainly shouldn't be causing stress once the game ends.
My friend had to pitch his powered cube to buy a house, stuff happens. No biggie.
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On April 14 2013 13:06 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 12:54 Shotcoder wrote:On April 14 2013 12:44 Judicator wrote:On April 14 2013 12:14 Shotcoder wrote:On April 14 2013 11:50 deth2munkies wrote: Only matches I've lost in the last 3 FNMs (1 a piece) were all to Naya/Boros blitz decks where I stumbled on mana. Last night, I had 7 lands, 2 Farseeks, and all 6 of my mana dorks in play or in the graveyard, with only the Thragtusk and Smiter in my opening hand as non-mana sources. It happens, though.
At least I got to Aurelia's Fury a couple of people out, it felt great. Yea it happens. It's nothing to get mad about. I find Magic is sort of this Zen thing with me. I tend to make better plays and my deck seems to reward my more laid back approach. i know the deck doesn't literally reward me, but the ability to just accept it and move on instead of get frustrated and go on tilt like i used to do has really shown in my recent magic adventures. Also it's a lot more fun when you an candidly talk with an opponent after a game instead of them being super pissed they got mana flooded. Another thing Judicator, I would love to play the aristocrats deck, but with Dragon's Maze coming soon and funds being an issue I just play budget fun decks that are similar to standard decks that fit my store format. Like honestly I would probably be playing BW zombies if I wasn't playing this. I love this game and even if I don't win all the time I would rather play and lose than not play at all you know? MTG and LoL are like my new BW. Something I can go to when I'm depressed or mad and just relax and play or deck build or something. I think I get more out of the quirks of deck building than I do the game itself. I honestly think I play just to see if crazy stuff can win games. Like my RWB tokens list when lingering souls and hellrider were first printed, or the Awakening Zone/Furnace Celebration "combo" in scars/Zendikar. Maybe I'm writing a bit too much and getting too gushy about this, but in my first two events with this deck after not playing Standard since ravnica was released, it feels good to play with people like Musser, Kovacs, and the Gearharts and still compete even with my budget deck. Like this guy was in top 16 with this crazy BG Slitherhead, Lotleth troll, Predator ooze deck and that's the kind of stuff I love to see. People who give zero shits about the meta, play what they think is fun and win anyways. Now I'm rambling and just talking about stuff I've probably already said but whatever I guess. Now back to Actual card discussion. My friends and I were thinking of post-Innistrad Standard without this smooth mana and do you guys think Guildgates or keyrunes will see play when 2014 comes out? Especially if they don't reprint the tap lands, or do something crazy like reprint Onslaught/Zendikar fetches in a core set. Edit: as I say I would play BW zombies, a list top 16s at Starcity. I can tell you that I don't spend more than the average drafter. Like never bought cards for a standard deck and borrowed when I needed to. Budget is more manageable than people think. I don't stick closely to cards, but I do pay attention to what is being played which is one of the reason I can fund an Esper deck just from 1 box of ISD and weekly drafts (my store doesn't do standard at FMN). My advice for those looking to play standard after rotation. Pick up shocklands after DGM releases, they're going to be as low as they possibly can. There's nothing wrong with what you said or anything, but really guys, it's not like trading on the floor of the NYSE. It really is just pay attention to certain cards that you see in standard tourneys. Guildgates won't, Keyrunes maybe. If I had a job, this wouldnt be an issue. I would totally have all 40 shocks and be drafting and trading for whatever else I needed. But I've also had to pitch a $700 modern deck and same-ish legacy deck to pay rent. It doesn't feel good at all. I play for fun until I get out of my parent's house that i recently moved back into and find a job that can sustain me. I played Zendikar/Scars standard off $50 into two event decks and whatever packs I won, and Scars/Innistrad of trades from that. I know how that goes, somethings in my past just didn't go the way I thought they would. This is the same advice I gave my friend who is currently trying to get into magic. Whelp, that's more of you shouldn't be playing magic right now more than anything. Play on MWS when you get the urge. Focus on other things. You shouldn't ever feel like you need to play Magic, that's not healthy, it's a game and it certainly shouldn't be causing stress once the game ends. My friend had to pitch his powered cube to buy a house, stuff happens. No biggie.
Nah it's not that I shouldn't it was just an eye opener that I wasn't responsible. Being a full time student and trying to fend for yourself and play magic wasn't a thing. And yes, it is something I need. That or something else like bowling or football was to me in high school. I get depressed really easily and the more often I do something like MTG or LoL or BW back in that day, the easier my life was all around.
I moved back home not because I personally couldn't afford it, I moved home because I couldnt afford to live at by myself and got to school full time. But like I said, I was irresponsible managing money and I got shit on for it, I learned and this is me trying to get back to where i was a year ago.
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Is Reid Duke the Keanu Reeves of Magic? I swear if I didn't have the video of SCG up, I would think Reeves would be the one doing some kind of promo for them.
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Two more rares: Possibility Storm and Tajic, Blade of the Legion.
P-Storm means if you play a creature, you exile cards from your deck till you hit a creature, same with artifact, instant, sorcery, and enchantment, right?
Tajic looks pretty good. Shame he's a 4-drop, but understandable considering he's indestructible. I feel like that's exactly what Boros needs; after running my Boros deck a few times, the problem I had with it wasn't necessarily getting creatures out there, but retaining them on the board for more than a couple turns, lol. (something tells me he might make a decent candidate for an aggro Commander deck...)
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On April 15 2013 22:47 cLAN.Anax wrote: P-Storm means if you play a creature, you exile cards from your deck till you hit a creature, same with artifact, instant, sorcery, and enchantment, right? That seems to be the correct interpretation yes.
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Possibility Storm Pillow Fort sounds fun. Now with Blind Obedience as a win condition.
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Pillow Fort with a symmetric effect seems bad. This card is arguably worse than Knowledge Pool, since that card can actually lock the opponent out.
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As stated in Cranial Insertion article, if you have Teferi in play you lock your opponent out of playing spells forever. But then it's not really a Standard-legal Pillow Fort any more. Cute interaction though.
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