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On April 30 2012 06:18 Judicator wrote:
Depends, what are your money cards?
I'd say the heart of my collection = Duals (67 duals, mostly blue), fetches (36 fetches), some of the most played legacy foils (foils fetches, BS, SDT, Goyfs etc etc). (they were back in my days!). I was able to play a fully 'pimped' Treshold/Landstill deck back during my tournament era. The heart of my collection, I would expect them to be worth over 10k. The rest of my collection, are the smallers rares (Elspeth, Wasteland, Force of will, meddling mage, vindicate, sinkhole...)
I would post my list, but not sure if its useful, as i dont want to advertise or brag. Just looking for a number %. I'm fairly confident my list is highly sellable.
the 15k$ price is what I got when I added MOTL price together. I did not use SCG because I'm sure they are 'overpriced'. That said, the persons interested in buying are probably working for shop, so I wouldn't be surprised if they would sell at SCG prices after to make profit (but that's to be expected ; why buy a collection if not for profit)
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If you are going to ask them to take the whole thing off you're hands, I would think about 45%-55% of your valuation. If you let them pick and choose the cards that they can turn around quickly on a solid markup, I could see up to 75% each cards value.
This would be a store, by the way. A collector or individual trader could be different.
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I would value a bit more, the foils especially. 70% is very easily done. The primary concern for buyers (individuals who would even consider buying this kind of collection) is selling it. They can't afford (financially) to have their inventory sitting around. That isn't an issue with your collection given that duals, fetches, legacy foils move very easily.
Plus I am sure you have some EDH staples that are probably easier to move than the Legacy staples.
Pretty sure you can get 10k for it. Have you taken it to stores near you to see how much they would give?
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On April 30 2012 06:29 XenOmega wrote:I'd say the heart of my collection = Duals (67 duals, mostly blue), fetches (36 fetches), some of the most played legacy foils (foils fetches, BS, SDT, Goyfs etc etc). (they were back in my days!). I was able to play a fully 'pimped' Treshold/Landstill deck back during my tournament era. The heart of my collection, I would expect them to be worth over 10k. The rest of my collection, are the smallers rares (Elspeth, Wasteland, Force of will, meddling mage, vindicate, sinkhole...) I would post my list, but not sure if its useful, as i dont want to advertise or brag. Just looking for a number %. I'm fairly confident my list is highly sellable. the 15k$ price is what I got when I added MOTL price together. I did not use SCG because I'm sure they are 'overpriced'. That said, the persons interested in buying are probably working for shop, so I wouldn't be surprised if they would sell at SCG prices after to make profit (but that's to be expected ; why buy a collection if not for profit)
Use SCG buylist prices
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On April 30 2012 07:36 Judicator wrote:
I would value a bit more, the foils especially. 70% is very easily done. The primary concern for buyers (individuals who would even consider buying this kind of collection) is selling it. They can't afford (financially) to have their inventory sitting around. That isn't an issue with your collection given that duals, fetches, legacy foils move very easily.
Plus I am sure you have some EDH staples that are probably easier to move than the Legacy staples.
Pretty sure you can get 10k for it. Have you taken it to stores near you to see how much they would give?
That's if he's willing to let the store pick out the premium pieces of his collection. I'd pay 65% for all his Tundras and Tropical Islands. But if he makes me pay 65% of his valuation for Meddling Mage and Elspeth, I'm not doing that. Whose prepared to front cash and sit on those cards?
I mean, there's no harm in asking and negotiating. But there's the best part of your collection and then there's the rest. I imagine they're going to ask you to devalue your prime cut for them to swallow the other stuff.
Or just sell the best stuff.
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On April 30 2012 07:36 Judicator wrote:
I would value a bit more, the foils especially. 70% is very easily done. The primary concern for buyers (individuals who would even consider buying this kind of collection) is selling it. They can't afford (financially) to have their inventory sitting around. That isn't an issue with your collection given that duals, fetches, legacy foils move very easily.
Plus I am sure you have some EDH staples that are probably easier to move than the Legacy staples.
Pretty sure you can get 10k for it. Have you taken it to stores near you to see how much they would give?
No, I guess that's something I could do. Just need to find out when I have the time to do that! I thought, maybe I am wrong, that individuals would offer more than local stores.
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Ugg, I guess it was too good to be true. A guy claimed he would offer me 60% of SCG selling price. So using SCG numbers, I'm over 20k in value (which would net me 12k+, which is quite close to my calculations of 15k should I sell on MOTL)
However, the downsides :
He wants me to travel out my city to go sell. Uh, guess its not that big of a deal, but I don't feel like going somewhere I don't know with such a collection.
He decides what cards count in the 60%
Man, I feel like I will never be able to sell -.-
I'll try to make a trip to one or two local stores. If it doesn't work, I'll just start selling singles.
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Went RG in Sealed, and came out 4-2.
Ran into Cathar's Crusade which is just ridiculous. My god, so hard to stop especially if they have flikker mechanics on their side.
I got Moonsilver Spear, which works pretty well with Champion with Lambholt.
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On April 30 2012 08:53 XenOmega wrote:
Ugg, I guess it was too good to be true. A guy claimed he would offer me 60% of SCG selling price. So using SCG numbers, I'm over 20k in value (which would net me 12k+, which is quite close to my calculations of 15k should I sell on MOTL)
However, the downsides :
He wants me to travel out my city to go sell. Uh, guess its not that big of a deal, but I don't feel like going somewhere I don't know with such a collection.
He decides what cards count in the 60%
Man, I feel like I will never be able to sell -.-
I'll try to make a trip to one or two local stores. If it doesn't work, I'll just start selling singles.
Can I ask you how valuable you think your time is? And how badly you need money? Because if both answers are "not very," then I think you can take the time to sell them as singles. But remember, you're giving whoever buys your bulk collection a discount because they are assuming all of your liability and all of the work involved in monetizing these things.
That being said, any individual offering just 60% on a pick-and-choose deal of your inventory is trying to rip you off. You should tell him to take the whole thing at 65% or he can pick up the pieces he wants at 80%-90%
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I have plently of time. Its just I have been doing for many years (yep, I've wanted to sell all my Magic for some time now)
Every time, I've failed. The amount of emails I get is very high, and I guess I lack the motivation!
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On April 30 2012 10:45 XenOmega wrote:I have plently of time. Its just I have been doing for many years (yep, I've wanted to sell all my Magic for some time now) Every time, I've failed. The amount of emails I get is very high, and I guess I lack the motivation!
That's actually not the worst thing for you. The quality of your collection is so high that it's, probably, an investment at this point. I'd still sell them though, the idea of the thing I'm investing in suddenly becoming worthless at the whims of Hasbro is too frightening to me.
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On April 30 2012 11:14 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 10:45 XenOmega wrote:I have plently of time. Its just I have been doing for many years (yep, I've wanted to sell all my Magic for some time now) Every time, I've failed. The amount of emails I get is very high, and I guess I lack the motivation! That's actually not the worst thing for you. The quality of your collection is so high that it's, probably, an investment at this point. I'd still sell them though, the idea of the thing I'm investing in suddenly becoming worthless at the whims of Hasbro is too frightening to me.
Eh most of his stuff are things that Wizards won't ever re-print.
Edit: Will probably not ban for a good time either, unless they want to kill the Legacy scene entirely which doesn't seem too likely either.
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But what if they make something like: "MEGAgoyf!!!" Or "Hot Grassy Field" that's a Mountain-Forest-Plain!! I mean, I put the odds of anything catastrophic like that happening at pretty freaking low. But you never know - it's not an inconceivability.
Still, it's an investment. Magic is, ostensibly, more popular than ever and the value of XenOmega's best cards should only ever go up.
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Yeah, Wizards won't do that again. They're not retarded. To their credit a lot of their mistakes comes from the community breaking them (which isn't hard given the internet), but you have the basis of some of those cards already. Like when you saw Snapcaster, people were thinking Bob already. Any green 2 drop is compared to the ones out of Odyssey block and Goyf.
Like Legacy has the benefit of any new cards rarely driving the price of legacy cards/staples down (except Misstep which coincidentally banned pretty quickly).
Edit: I should clarify that I mean I don't think Wizards is gonna make the same mistake twice with card printing like that. Any of the new "broken" interactions will be from new mechanics or from exploring previously unexplored card types more thoroughly.
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On April 30 2012 11:32 Judicator wrote:
To their credit a lot of their mistakes comes from the community breaking them (which isn't hard given the internet),
Wizards:
normal.. normal.. shit block (mirage), tries to push it up with tempest (overall ok), pushes it more with urza (lolbanhammers), 3 terrible blocks (masques, invasion, odyssey), tries to push envelope slowly (mirrodin), instantly repeats mistake (kamigawa), repeat.
tl;dr wizards repeat their mistakes, the community does very little in breaking the format full of broken cards in their own right.
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You know, in these years, many cards fluctuated. (I believe my collection has gained alot of value over time, with the increase popularity of legacy and EDH)
However, some cards are down to almost nothing : Meddling mage, Pithing needle (they used to be expensive around my time). That's what I'm most scared of. I don't follow the scene at all. Although it is very unlikely, but better cards, new format, new meta can break my collection, or can increase it. Granted, like I said, the core of my collection is centered around major power house. I doubt they will print stronger cards, but who knows?
I used to collect Pokemon, they are now worthless.
I think I'm going to make a run at 1 or 2 shop and see if I can hit over 10k. If not, I guess it will be MOTL
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On April 30 2012 11:47 hkf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 11:32 Judicator wrote:
To their credit a lot of their mistakes comes from the community breaking them (which isn't hard given the internet), Wizards: normal.. normal.. shit block (mirage), tries to push it up with tempest (overall ok), pushes it more with urza (lolbanhammers), 3 terrible blocks (masques, invasion, odyssey), tries to push envelope slowly (mirrodin), instantly repeats mistake (kamigawa), repeat. tl;dr wizards repeat their mistakes, the community does very little in breaking the format full of broken cards in their own right.
How long ago was that though?
How was Invasion block terrible? Wat? Same for Odyssey? How was Mirrodin block pushing the envelop slowly?
Think about it for a second. The really oppressive decks were a direct result of them using new card types or pushing the envelop with certain card types (underrepresented). Jace/Stoneforge was a result of PWs and Equipment being two underdeveloped card types. Hexproof being pushed on (seemingly) everything now is an issue, but if they had to check, they had to check and it's fairly balanced all things considered how inherently broken the mechanic is. Same goes for Undying.
Phyrexian mana was a big issue too, until people realized that 2 life isn't the same as free. Dismember is good but it's fallen off drastically since it's inception. Misstep again banned, but wasn't that terrible.
The recent sets haven't been that terrible honestly given Wizard's tendency to experiment.
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As for XO, that's gonna happen which is why I and others have highlighted your legacy stuff. Fluctuations are fluctuations but that's how it is.
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How was Invasion block terrible? Wat?
When a chase rare is purely to counter a land printed in the block before, there is something wrong with the sets power.
Anyways it's obvious you've had no competitive experience for too long so its irrevalant having this discussion about power creep
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On April 30 2012 12:05 hkf wrote:When a chase rare is purely to counter a land printed in the block before, there is something wrong with the sets power. Anyways it's obvious you've had no competitive experience for too long so its irrevalant having this discussion about power creep
? I played during those blocks, Invasion was perceived to be fairly balanced...Mirrodin block kicked down the door with Ravager in Darksteel. Then you still had options later on. Basically when only Darksteel was out, that was majorly problematic.
Power creep is obvious, they had to buff certain aspects to make the game more dynamic. I mean the game was getting to the point where it was fixated at 2 mana in Blue and 3 mana in Red.
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On April 30 2012 12:26 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 12:05 hkf wrote:How was Invasion block terrible? Wat? When a chase rare is purely to counter a land printed in the block before, there is something wrong with the sets power. Anyways it's obvious you've had no competitive experience for too long so its irrevalant having this discussion about power creep ? I played during those blocks, Invasion was perceived to be fairly balanced...Mirrodin block kicked down the door with Ravager in Darksteel. Then you still had options later on. Basically when only Darksteel was out, that was majorly problematic. Power creep is obvious, they had to buff certain aspects to make the game more dynamic. I mean the game was getting to the point where it was fixated at 2 mana in Blue and 3 mana in Red.
I'm not saying planeswalkers is the root cause of this but they are a massive contributor (looks at jace)
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