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On May 19 2013 02:20 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 01:58 rd wrote:On May 18 2013 03:22 Duka08 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:16 rd wrote:On May 16 2013 06:37 m4inbrain wrote:On May 16 2013 06:00 rd wrote:On May 16 2013 02:43 m4inbrain wrote:On May 16 2013 02:04 Duka08 wrote:On May 16 2013 01:19 m4inbrain wrote:On May 16 2013 00:59 Duka08 wrote:
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So I should probably be playing much more turtle-y than I am. Definitely would explain a lot. Not that I'm being too aggressive, just more like I flounder around without much clue on how to contribute. I should work a lot on my hull down. Too bad the M3 Lee is so wacky, just picked it up last night. Gonna be even more difficult to work on that stuff on. There's nothing to work out for the M3 Lee. It's just enduance. The last gun is kinda nice, but the tank is just utter crap. I actually would think it's the most "jumped" tank ingame next to the T1 heavy. I'd dump all my free XP on it if I was playing alone, but I have no reason to rush too far ahead when my friends are still playing T3 atm anyway. It's just going to be the only thing I play for a while. M4 grind... I'm just saying, there is no secret to the M3 Lee. It's just baseline bad, so.. My condolences.  It's dpm is better than a lot of tier 6 tanks. It has one of the best guns of it's entire tier range. If you can somehow get to a spot you can't be spotted and play it like a TD it's pretty much better than most TD's. The monumental downside is that it just can't hide in a bush without being spotted 1000m away, and obviously the lack of a turret/giant silhouette. I'll quote myself briefly: The last gun is kinda nice I know that the gun is kinda nice, but it doesn't change the fact that it's mounted on a huge pile of poo. Most of the times you can't get the gun to work because you're spotted as soon as you spawn, and you can't miss it with the old KV1s 152mm. At 600m. That gun is extra-ordinarily nice, and the tank is not nearly as bad when you play to it's strengths, which is the great accuracy and dpm. Get a camo net/binocs, find a bush where targets won't get any closer than 200m, play it exactly like a TD. It's not -that- easy to spot, rather there are maps which the m3 can't really do much on other than hope. I've actually been doing this, and it works pretty nicely (don't have the equipment, but yeah). It's a solid hitter. Probably developing tons of bad habits for all future mediums I play though lololol Not really, there are a lot of mediums that play similarly. They're too squishy to plunge headlong onto the front line, so they stay back and support. Once all of the big tanks are engaged is when meds can utilize their speed to swoop in and overtake advantageous flanking positions. M3 obviously can't do this. If you're committing to meds, you should pick up a camo net/binoculars at some point, especially since they can be transferred to other tanks for free. Imho, when you reach T6, it's time for Rammer/Vert Stab or Gunlaying Drive, depending on the med. T6 is the first tank on which you will stay for quite a while. Obviously, before that, a bino/camo net is decent enough, especially since you could use them on a "twink"-TD to great effect.
T6-7 isn't very long at all compared to T8-9 and T9-10. Buying equipment for tanks you might never play again is very expensive, unless you're willing to pay the gold for it. If you aren't going to play it again, chances are after dumping 1.2-1.5mil into each tank you upgrade to, you won't be able to afford the next in line. Camo net/Binocs/Repair kit are the best alternative for grinding tanks, and there are definitely meds who still benefit immensely from this -- particularly the sniper meds with high camo values such as the german/soviet med lines.
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On May 15 2013 07:03 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +E-75 is mediocre. It often loses a duel against an opposing M103. It's not as mobile and does not have the M103's fire-power and that tank is mediocre in its tier. Yet, it performs better. Guess it's just that german-line players are better then, right, smartass? Check your facts. User was warned for this post
http://noobmeter.com/tankStats/eu
There's barely any difference in M103 and E-75 public statistics. The M103 on average also has a better win ratio. Let's not talk about biases, because, let's be honest: the game is deliberately constructed to cover them up.
In a melee fight, I see the M103 winning more often against an E-75. The tier X top gun is awesome, has higher penetration, a faster RoF and better and faster aiming. It reliably penetrates the lower plate on the E-75 on an angle below 40°. Its win ratio gets dragged down because of the weak side and back armour. Any 1vs(x>1) fight ends deadly for the M103 very fast in a match and they occur often in publics, while the E-75 has still decent armour there and can't die to a T-34 out-flanking you.
On May 15 2013 07:17 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:17 Perscienter wrote:On May 15 2013 04:38 rd wrote:On May 14 2013 13:40 Quesa wrote:On May 11 2013 22:23 tyr wrote:On May 11 2013 14:59 Quesa wrote:
The Tiger II is a little less widely loved but is still very effective (the IS-3 is the best tier VIII) That's subjective. I would say that the KT is the best t8, though I love the is3 as well. You don't play them the same way. The is3 is a brawler while the KT is a sniper. You usually would try to stay further from your enemies with the KT and use the deadly accuracy of the L68 to shoot where you need to. Not to forget that the KT has a smooth frontplate, which makes artificial angling much easier and practical than the is3. If that is your preferred playstyle, I would advise getting the KT instead of the is3 if you're aiming for a t8 heavy. Calling the consensus top heavy tank for its tier the best heavy tank in its tier is not terribly subjective. The Tiger II is less beloved because of how competitive tier VIII is, even though it's a massive upgrade. Going from the Tiger P that can reliably bounce all of its peers with no significant knowledge of the game to the KT that requires a good deal of finesse is jarring for many. 68% in German tanks, haven't played a Russian tank since the closed beta (save those two in the T-46), and have to run a 13 90 in Champion TCs because you don't have a HT anyone wants. And telling people to play a KT like a Löwe. Subjective? Sigh. Except the consensus has actually voted quite often for the KT as one of the top tier 8 tanks. It's only major downside, if it has one, is that it's ultimate tier 10 upgrade, the e-100, is not ideal. I don't know, what you are writing about. In publics, the KT is nowhere near as good as you describe it. http://noobmeter.com/tankStats/euIn CWs / tournaments, IS-3, AMX and T32 are often seen. IS-6 might be good after the buff, too. The new 110, I don't know, but it's performing well so far. Before you complain, the T32 has the best turret in WoT and is a highly tactical vehicle. I don't know what conversation you're butting into, but within the correct context of the post I was replying to, the word 'consensus' is key, and the KT is often rated as one of the top tier 8 tanks -- contrary to the comment that it was not as beloved. As for the statistics, IS-3 is heavily inflated with the best players. IS-6 can't pen an angled KT frontally without gold or a good RNG roll. AMX is underrated and is probably -the- best t8 in support of an IS3. T32 is also inflated considering the single best T7, the t29 is a tier below it, and the single most overplayed T10, the E5, is it's ultimate upgrade. The T32 has an amazing turret and thats about it, it's gun is fairly subpar compared to the is3/kt/amx. Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:41 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 04:38 rd wrote:On May 14 2013 13:40 Quesa wrote:On May 11 2013 22:23 tyr wrote:On May 11 2013 14:59 Quesa wrote:
The Tiger II is a little less widely loved but is still very effective (the IS-3 is the best tier VIII) That's subjective. I would say that the KT is the best t8, though I love the is3 as well. You don't play them the same way. The is3 is a brawler while the KT is a sniper. You usually would try to stay further from your enemies with the KT and use the deadly accuracy of the L68 to shoot where you need to. Not to forget that the KT has a smooth frontplate, which makes artificial angling much easier and practical than the is3. If that is your preferred playstyle, I would advise getting the KT instead of the is3 if you're aiming for a t8 heavy. Calling the consensus top heavy tank for its tier the best heavy tank in its tier is not terribly subjective. The Tiger II is less beloved because of how competitive tier VIII is, even though it's a massive upgrade. Going from the Tiger P that can reliably bounce all of its peers with no significant knowledge of the game to the KT that requires a good deal of finesse is jarring for many. 68% in German tanks, haven't played a Russian tank since the closed beta (save those two in the T-46), and have to run a 13 90 in Champion TCs because you don't have a HT anyone wants. And telling people to play a KT like a Löwe. Subjective? Sigh. Except the consensus has actually voted quite often for the KT as one of the top tier 8 tanks. It's only major downside, if it has one, is that it's ultimate tier 10 upgrade, the e-100, is not ideal. Screw the E-100, for pubstomping the E-75 >>> E-100. It has almost the same armor (considered T10 armor), drives almost like the kingtiger (not fast, but good acceleration/deceleration, decent turning speed), the 12,8 which is awesome, and.. yeah. To me hands down the best T9 tank ingame. The only "drawback" is the slow 2nd turret, which can be countered with turning the whole tank for aiming or playing in a way that prevents you from having the issue in the first place. I would suggest the E-75 without second guessing myself to anyone who likes heavy tanks. E-75 is an amazing tank. I have nothing against it. But the e-100 is subpar. It still doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty dead tree to climb up if you wanted a good tier x for clan wars.
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/220507-tier-8-10-non-premium-heavy-tanks-update-84/
Where do they vote for KT as the best? In tournaments, I've never seen one KT. I think it's too high. Yes, penetration and armour are good, but it's a huge target n comparison to IS-3 or T32. T32 has not only a tier VII gun, but a weaker frontal hull than an IS-3. It still holds up well. Hull-down and hugging are its advantages.
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On May 18 2013 22:58 3Form wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:42 Yorke wrote:
Should I bother training up crews in the lower tiers? Just about to get the T28 and still have no idea what to do with their skills etc. At around Tier 5/6 it starts making sense to transfer your crew to your new tank so as to keep training them. Thing is, when you retrain with credits for 20k per crew member you lose a certain percentage of their ability. So say you used a 50% crew on the T-28 and by the time you got through the T-28 your crew was on 70%. Now if you retrained them for credits they'd drop down to mid 50s. However you could just buy a brand new crew at 75% for the same cost. If you're using gold then it's even more pointless, since gold nets you a 100% crew anyway. So as a quick rule of thumb, when you get to the point where retraining your crew leaves them with a higher skill than buying a brand new crew would, then it's worth it. Of course it goes without saying that once you reach 100% and start training the abilities, then you definitely want to keep them. Final exception to the rule is that if you enjoy a tank so much that you think you'll keep playing it, then you may want to keep your crew on that tank a continue training them. Usually what I do however is keep my primary crew with the tank I'm "grinding" until I reach my target for that line, and then just buy a new crew for tanks that I want to keep. So for instance, I am currently aiming for the Centurion Mk7/1. I really enjoyed the Comet, so when I unlocked the Cent Mk1 I retrained the Comet crew to the Cent, and bought a new crew for the Comet. I hope that answers your question, if you were instead asking what skills & perks to get I can unleash another torrent of ruminations 
Awesome, just what I was looking for thanks! Might have to hold off on the rest lest it overwhelm me.
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It feels like I'm playing good but I lose so many games in my T-80 
Also recommend http://www.vbaddict.net/ for logging your games. Nice to have some statistics after you've played a few games.
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I am still butthurt knowing that i lost damage per minute when switching my T-34 for a T34-85. And knowing that afterwards i won't even get an upgrade for that gun with my T-43. That said, somehow the T-34-85 has started to be a lot of fun. The grind at the start was horrible. Now, i know my limits, and i can hit decently well and suddenly the game is fun again. Yay.
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On May 19 2013 03:10 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 02:20 m4inbrain wrote:On May 19 2013 01:58 rd wrote:On May 18 2013 03:22 Duka08 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:16 rd wrote:On May 16 2013 06:37 m4inbrain wrote:On May 16 2013 06:00 rd wrote:On May 16 2013 02:43 m4inbrain wrote:On May 16 2013 02:04 Duka08 wrote:On May 16 2013 01:19 m4inbrain wrote:
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There's nothing to work out for the M3 Lee. It's just enduance. The last gun is kinda nice, but the tank is just utter crap. I actually would think it's the most "jumped" tank ingame next to the T1 heavy. I'd dump all my free XP on it if I was playing alone, but I have no reason to rush too far ahead when my friends are still playing T3 atm anyway. It's just going to be the only thing I play for a while. M4 grind... I'm just saying, there is no secret to the M3 Lee. It's just baseline bad, so.. My condolences. It's dpm is better than a lot of tier 6 tanks. It has one of the best guns of it's entire tier range. If you can somehow get to a spot you can't be spotted and play it like a TD it's pretty much better than most TD's. The monumental downside is that it just can't hide in a bush without being spotted 1000m away, and obviously the lack of a turret/giant silhouette. I'll quote myself briefly: The last gun is kinda nice I know that the gun is kinda nice, but it doesn't change the fact that it's mounted on a huge pile of poo. Most of the times you can't get the gun to work because you're spotted as soon as you spawn, and you can't miss it with the old KV1s 152mm. At 600m. That gun is extra-ordinarily nice, and the tank is not nearly as bad when you play to it's strengths, which is the great accuracy and dpm. Get a camo net/binocs, find a bush where targets won't get any closer than 200m, play it exactly like a TD. It's not -that- easy to spot, rather there are maps which the m3 can't really do much on other than hope. I've actually been doing this, and it works pretty nicely (don't have the equipment, but yeah). It's a solid hitter. Probably developing tons of bad habits for all future mediums I play though lololol Not really, there are a lot of mediums that play similarly. They're too squishy to plunge headlong onto the front line, so they stay back and support. Once all of the big tanks are engaged is when meds can utilize their speed to swoop in and overtake advantageous flanking positions. M3 obviously can't do this. If you're committing to meds, you should pick up a camo net/binoculars at some point, especially since they can be transferred to other tanks for free. Imho, when you reach T6, it's time for Rammer/Vert Stab or Gunlaying Drive, depending on the med. T6 is the first tank on which you will stay for quite a while. Obviously, before that, a bino/camo net is decent enough, especially since you could use them on a "twink"-TD to great effect. particularly the sniper meds with high camo values such as the german/soviet med lines.
Did they change the camo values for german meds? Since i played them when Panther II was the highest one, and after that the E-50, although i missed out on the E-50Mand Leo. And up to that point, camo on german meds was nonexistent. And obviously you stay on T-7/8/9 longer than on 6, that's not rocket science - but without premium, you already have a nice grind on T6, Also i don't know where you get your prices, in my WoT a med rammer is 300k, a vert stab should be around 500k, no idea how you get up to 1,5 mils.
I stand by it, at least a rammer is a must have.
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In a melee fight, I see the M103 winning more often against an E-75. The tier X top gun is awesome, has higher penetration, a faster RoF and better and faster aiming. It reliably penetrates the lower plate on the E-75 on an angle below 40°. Its win ratio gets dragged down because of the weak side and back armour. Any 1vs(x>1) fight ends deadly for the M103 very fast in a match and they occur often in publics, while the E-75 has still decent armour there and can't die to a T-34 out-flanking you.
So basically what you're saying is, that the M103 is inferior when both tanks get played by good players? Which i would be fine with. The RoF is pointless except in head on hugging battles (in which you can't hit the lower glacis btw), since you can only shoot if the E-75 is reloaded and comes out of cover (you might be able to shoot at another tank, yes, but that would hurt the M103 even more), see T30 clanbattles of old, in which T30 with a RoF of 1,5 or smth still owned everything. Also the M103 is even worse under artyfire than the E-75 (which is known for problems in that regard), at least from my experience. A direct hit in the side kills them in 50% of the cases, and with that i mean onehit (don't know about ger/rus arty, but the T92).
I'm not saying it's a bad tank. But in capable hands (and especially on pubs) the E-75 is in a league of its own. Btw, the E-75 is widely known as superior, i just saw in the 2nd link you posted.
edit2: Brötchenholer, the T43 is (at least, was) worse than the T-34-85. Both lost the D10T (100mm gun, was taken away from them), and the T-43 is/was slower than the T-34-85, without major improvements. I really hated it. But after that, the sun comes out. The T44 (with wet ammorack) was a breeze. Decent gun (the D10T, lacked a bit of pen but was workable), decent speed - i'd say the first "real" medium in the russian tree and an appetizer of what is still to come.
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Are people seriously arguing that the M103 is better then the E75? The M103 with the top gun is great but the E75 is just straight beastmode for a tier 9. It has by far the best heavy tank armor for the tier, when angled even the lower plate can be hard to pen for most guns and if you cover that up with a rock then you are left with trying to snipe the cupola. The alpha on the E75 is great and the ROF is workable and is fairly arty resistant.
The main issue that I have with the M103 is the armor. The lower plate can be easily penned as well as the cheeks of the turret frontally. Also if the M103 gets hit from arty in the side it can be penned which means either instant death or severe damage. I am not saying that it is a bad tank but saying that it is superior to the E75 I think is a false statement.
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I'm saying both tanks are mediocre and it depends on the situation, if the M103 or E-75 is more valuable. The M103 can dish out more damage, while the E-75 is generally more comfortable to play in most situations in a public match. m4inbrain proposes, the E-75 would be the best Tier IX. In my opinion it might be in the top 10 of Tier IX tanks. The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better.
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On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
I'm saying both tanks are mediocre and it depends on the situation, if the M103 or E-75 is more valuable. The M103 can dish out more damage, while the E-75 is generally more comfortable to play in most situations in a public match. m4inbrain proposes, the E-75 would be the best Tier IX. In my opinion it might be in the top 10 of Tier IX tanks. The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better.
Are you trolling now? I'm serious.
Edit: the E-75 is hands down the strongest heavy tank on it's tier, and can even compete with some T10 heavies. Then someone butts in, doesn't bother to read what he's butting in and trying to go smart on everyone, even though just one posting before you butted in i said:
I would suggest the E-75 without second guessing myself to anyone who likes heavy tanks.
Guess what. We are discussing heavy tanks. Might be surprising if i recommed a heavy tank for, you know, someone who wants to play a heavy tank, but yeah, that's how it is. Now you get stomped with your opinion backed up by data that doesn't show anything (winrates/300ppl forumpoll, really?), and the moment someone uses exactly that data (remember, E-75 far superior to M103?), you're comparing it to ALL T9s now?
Just wow.
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On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better.
The only tank that might perform better then the E-75 at tier 9 is a skilled driver spamming HEAT rounds from a T-54. 704 is a good TD but it suffers from all the standard issues pretty much all TD's have to deal with, such as being trolled if a medium gets behind you.
E-75 and T-54 are a step above the rest of the tier 9's.
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On May 22 2013 04:24 Mrbustanut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better.
The only tank that might perform better then the E-75 at tier 9 is a skilled driver spamming HEAT rounds from a T-54. 704 is a good TD but it suffers from all the standard issues pretty much all TD's have to deal with, such as being trolled if a medium gets behind you. E-75 and T-54 are a step above the rest of the tier 9's.
The 704 is only dangerous if it's invisible. As soon as it lights up, it's pretty much done for. They're prime targets for arties since they're "known" to move less than a med or even a heavy (edit: TDs in general, not just the 704), they're easy to hit and penetrate (ask a T95 driver how he likes arty.. ^^), the only thing they have is the BL10. That's it. They can be penetrated easily, and if they get penetrated anywhere at the front, either a loader or the gunner dies (same issue for the Jagdtiger, which also loses it's engine). Both of which render it useless.
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I don't disagree with anything you said, mediums and heavys are much more versatile in general. A 704 is always dangerous if it is still alive with the BL10. 704 also has amazing camo value so spotting it can be difficult and with 6th sense a good TD driver will be ducking into cover asap.
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On May 22 2013 04:46 Mrbustanut wrote:
I don't disagree with anything you said, mediums and heavys are much more versatile in general. A 704 is always dangerous if it is still alive with the BL10. 704 also has amazing camo value so spotting it can be difficult and with 6th sense a good TD driver will be ducking into cover asap.
I didn't try to discuss something with you, i just gave my opinion on the 704. Sorry if it sounded that way.
The 6th sense is nice, you're right there - but it's still dead. A good arty player (from experience, although i'm just decent with arty) has his reticule already over the "common" spots. All you need is a tracer or the actual scouting, a shell travels ~2-3 seconds on most maps, that's not enough to get away. You will at least lose your tracks (if i splash with my T92, most likely both), which makes a following arty shot from another arty or heavy tankfire easy. Since you were already "aimed in" at a region, you can pretty much just point and shoot, no need to wait for the reticule to become smaller.
If he is behind a rock or a common heavy tank spot, he will lose alot of his advantages, and becomes alot less dangerous. I fear a good arty player over a good TD player anytime, with any tank (except my meds, a full broadside from a BL10 into my E50 hurts alot).
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On May 22 2013 04:08 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
I'm saying both tanks are mediocre and it depends on the situation, if the M103 or E-75 is more valuable. The M103 can dish out more damage, while the E-75 is generally more comfortable to play in most situations in a public match. m4inbrain proposes, the E-75 would be the best Tier IX. In my opinion it might be in the top 10 of Tier IX tanks. The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better. Are you trolling now? I'm serious. Edit: the E-75 is hands down the strongest heavy tank on it's tier, and can even compete with some T10 heavies. Then someone butts in, doesn't bother to read what he's butting in and trying to go smart on everyone, even though just one posting before you butted in i said: Show nested quote +I would suggest the E-75 without second guessing myself to anyone who likes heavy tanks. Guess what. We are discussing heavy tanks. Might be surprising if i recommed a heavy tank for, you know, someone who wants to play a heavy tank, but yeah, that's how it is. Now you get stomped with your opinion backed up by data that doesn't show anything (winrates/300ppl forumpoll, really?), and the moment someone uses exactly that data (remember, E-75 far superior to M103?), you're comparing it to ALL T9s now? Just wow.
On May 15 2013 04:41 m4inbrain wrote:
Screw the E-100, for pubstomping the E-75 >>> E-100. It has almost the same armor (considered T10 armor), drives almost like the kingtiger (not fast, but good acceleration/deceleration, decent turning speed), the 12,8 which is awesome, and.. yeah. To me hands down the best T9 tank ingame. The only "drawback" is the slow 2nd turret, which can be countered with turning the whole tank for aiming or playing in a way that prevents you from having the issue in the first place.
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So you actually missed the rest of the conversation, since your KT discussion was clearly just about heavy tanks, as you compared them (correctly) to the IS-3, T-32 etc?
Just stop it. I quoted myself earlier where the conversation about that started, next time just make sure you follow what people are talking about. I don't and won't repeat myself word for word in every post just because someone might not bother to read everything. If you don't, don't bother answering at all.
Edit: funny btw, how you accidentally forgot to quote the last sentence of that paragraph. Not to mention that i also mention the M103, the T32, T29, King Tiger and KV1S in that exact posting - somehow concluding that i'm talking about anything but heavy tanks when i'm talking about nothing but heavy tanks and recommending a heavy tank to anyone who likes heavy tanks is clearly my fault.
PS: strongest "tank" on T9 to me is M40/43, which i would've said if i would talk general T9. A good played arty can decide a match on its own, no other tank has that "power".
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On May 22 2013 04:08 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
I'm saying both tanks are mediocre and it depends on the situation, if the M103 or E-75 is more valuable. The M103 can dish out more damage, while the E-75 is generally more comfortable to play in most situations in a public match. m4inbrain proposes, the E-75 would be the best Tier IX. In my opinion it might be in the top 10 of Tier IX tanks. The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better. Are you trolling now? I'm serious. Edit: the E-75 is hands down the strongest heavy tank on it's tier, and can even compete with some T10 heavies. Then someone butts in, doesn't bother to read what he's butting in and trying to go smart on everyone, even though just one posting before you butted in i said: Show nested quote +I would suggest the E-75 without second guessing myself to anyone who likes heavy tanks. Guess what. We are discussing heavy tanks. Might be surprising if i recommed a heavy tank for, you know, someone who wants to play a heavy tank, but yeah, that's how it is. Now you get stomped with your opinion backed up by data that doesn't show anything (winrates/300ppl forumpoll, really?), and the moment someone uses exactly that data (remember, E-75 far superior to M103?), you're comparing it to ALL T9s now? Just wow.
How do you figure it is the strongest. Neither stat's nor anything else really speaks out to me as being that great. I played it (though a long time ago, and have just recently started to make and effort to get better), and I pretty much hated it. Back then it was going against the is-4 (t9) and compared to that it seemed like shit.
Might give it another go again, if people say it's good now. I'm also sick of having that sitting there at 48%. I don't know though. Gun seems sup par. Gold is gonna pen all day I guess. Gold Lowe certainly does.
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On May 22 2013 09:42 m4inbrain wrote:
PS: strongest "tank" on T9 to me is M40/43, which i would've said if i would talk general T9. A good played arty can decide a match on its own, no other tank has that "power".
Ligths are the match deciding tanks most of the time in any high tier game. Arty is useless unless anyone spot for them.
I have won games myself in a VK1601 Leopard, just staying on bushes unseen and lighting up targets for my team while the other guys just keep looking around who the hell was spotting them.
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On May 22 2013 17:59 manloveman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:08 m4inbrain wrote:On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
I'm saying both tanks are mediocre and it depends on the situation, if the M103 or E-75 is more valuable. The M103 can dish out more damage, while the E-75 is generally more comfortable to play in most situations in a public match. m4inbrain proposes, the E-75 would be the best Tier IX. In my opinion it might be in the top 10 of Tier IX tanks. The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better. Are you trolling now? I'm serious. Edit: the E-75 is hands down the strongest heavy tank on it's tier, and can even compete with some T10 heavies. Then someone butts in, doesn't bother to read what he's butting in and trying to go smart on everyone, even though just one posting before you butted in i said: I would suggest the E-75 without second guessing myself to anyone who likes heavy tanks. Guess what. We are discussing heavy tanks. Might be surprising if i recommed a heavy tank for, you know, someone who wants to play a heavy tank, but yeah, that's how it is. Now you get stomped with your opinion backed up by data that doesn't show anything (winrates/300ppl forumpoll, really?), and the moment someone uses exactly that data (remember, E-75 far superior to M103?), you're comparing it to ALL T9s now? Just wow. How do you figure it is the strongest. Neither stat's nor anything else really speaks out to me as being that great. I played it (though a long time ago, and have just recently started to make and effort to get better), and I pretty much hated it. Back then it was going against the is-4 (t9) and compared to that it seemed like shit. Might give it another go again, if people say it's good now. I'm also sick of having that sitting there at 48%. I don't know though. Gun seems sup par. Gold is gonna pen all day I guess. Gold Lowe certainly does.
The package overall is the best on its tier. It has tier10 armorvalues. The gun is decent (i actually think it's great). The tank is mobile. You eat every other T9 heavy (and pretty much everything else) alive, although i don't know about the new chinese heavy, since i never met it yet. You don't need goldammo to do anything with it. 60% winratio, 85% hitratio, never shot gold once on it. Never had a pen-issue either.
Ligths are the match deciding tanks most of the time in any high tier game. Arty is useless unless anyone spot for them.
Wrong. Most lights just suicide at the start (even up to today). They actually die sometimes before i have the first shell loaded in my T92. Spotter make it easier, true, but i don't need a scout to kill the shit out of an enemy team. I just don't really know what i'm shooting at until i kill it.
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On May 22 2013 19:03 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 17:59 manloveman wrote:On May 22 2013 04:08 m4inbrain wrote:On May 22 2013 03:36 Perscienter wrote:
I'm saying both tanks are mediocre and it depends on the situation, if the M103 or E-75 is more valuable. The M103 can dish out more damage, while the E-75 is generally more comfortable to play in most situations in a public match. m4inbrain proposes, the E-75 would be the best Tier IX. In my opinion it might be in the top 10 of Tier IX tanks. The E-75 simply can't compete with an Obj. 704 and most mediums also perform better. Are you trolling now? I'm serious. Edit: the E-75 is hands down the strongest heavy tank on it's tier, and can even compete with some T10 heavies. Then someone butts in, doesn't bother to read what he's butting in and trying to go smart on everyone, even though just one posting before you butted in i said: I would suggest the E-75 without second guessing myself to anyone who likes heavy tanks. Guess what. We are discussing heavy tanks. Might be surprising if i recommed a heavy tank for, you know, someone who wants to play a heavy tank, but yeah, that's how it is. Now you get stomped with your opinion backed up by data that doesn't show anything (winrates/300ppl forumpoll, really?), and the moment someone uses exactly that data (remember, E-75 far superior to M103?), you're comparing it to ALL T9s now? Just wow. How do you figure it is the strongest. Neither stat's nor anything else really speaks out to me as being that great. I played it (though a long time ago, and have just recently started to make and effort to get better), and I pretty much hated it. Back then it was going against the is-4 (t9) and compared to that it seemed like shit. Might give it another go again, if people say it's good now. I'm also sick of having that sitting there at 48%. I don't know though. Gun seems sup par. Gold is gonna pen all day I guess. Gold Lowe certainly does. The package overall is the best on its tier. It has tier10 armorvalues. The gun is decent (i actually think it's great). The tank is mobile. You eat every other T9 heavy (and pretty much everything else) alive, although i don't know about the new chinese heavy, since i never met it yet. You don't need goldammo to do anything with it. 60% winratio, 85% hitratio, never shot gold once on it. Never had a pen-issue either.
I guess I will revisit it. I need a "real" heavy brawler. Have the is-8, and I cannot make it fit in my playstyle. I feel like trying it out again. It's funny about the armor values, since I really don't have any problems facing it. Guess the normal pub dude, are playing it to full effect.
Your personal stats are not a great argument though, as good players can get 60% in anything.
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