EPTAlready started playing. The 9x9 challenges are pretty common, which is a nice start for me:
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Already started playing. The 9x9 challenges are pretty common, which is a nice start for me: I am White (: | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
Also, only played one human so far and got wrecked pretty hard, but they were really friendly and played another match with me and talked me through the game step-by-step telling me the basics. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 22 2014 21:33 jtype wrote: Hey thanks for the shout on online-go.com. I've been meaning to learn this game for a while now and that site has some pretty good resources. Also, only played one human so far and got wrecked pretty hard, but they were really friendly and played another match with me and talked me through the game step-by-step telling me the basics. yay! Which board did you play? 9x9 or something larger? I've been playing a bunch recently and I win about 50% of the matches! I used to play 19x19 boards when I first started, but 9x9 is actually a bit more comfortable as you learn to see scenarios (which you catch on after 20-30 games I would say). There's tons of good TL Go players here, they're very nice and mature; it's awesome! Just played a match! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hGWWueQ.png) I felt Black was rude by not passing and trying to minimize the difference of territory even though I would have clearly captured his black stones (around ~J6), but maybe it's not rude; just part of the game. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
But having said that, I say 'playing', when really I've played one real game vs a human opponent and the rest of the time I've been reading and doing the puzzle challenges. Hehe, one of the things that stood out to me during reading some of the strategy resources was that it is considered rude (or dishonourable) to extend a game out when you've clearly lost.  | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 22 2014 21:39 jtype wrote: Yea I've only been playing on 9x9 boards. But having said that, I say 'playing', when really I've played one real game vs a human opponent and the rest of the time I've been reading and doing the puzzle challenges. Hehe, one of the things that stood out to me during reading some of the strategy resources was that it is considered rude (or dishonourable) to extend a game out when you've clearly lost. 9x9 is definitely a nice start, but others may disagree as it's maybe playing with a bitch of crutch (shorter games too )The puzzle challenges are great, The Eye concept is my favourite thing to try and pull off. But I'm very new as well. What I found in playing is that it is better to play straight-forward and focus on capturing territories/sectioning off parts of the board over capturing stones or trying to reduce his ability. Also knowing when stones are lost helps a lot! edit: OH ALSO, the game auto-scores your points, so that's nice, but be sure to properly section off all areas that are yours but you never finished because it only takes one move to clean up a territory (the calculations don't know that, so do it before you end the game so it auto-scores that area clearly yours. You can see it in the screenshot above that there's a section he forgot to claim at the top-left that could have helped him). Yeah, I just spoke to some mods and they told me it was pretty rude to keep playing in a territory very clearly captured. But we're all a bit new, so maybe he thought he could (though to be honest, there is almost nothing to do there). Nonetheless, still won and I told him he was rude! I created a group called Tortellini (lol), but maybe we should start a Team Liquid group! | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
Also, it can be helpful to continue playing the game to the end to practice endgame or whatever, so some people don't resign even though they know they've lost. That's perfectly fine in my opinion, as long as it's not a 60 point lead and they keep playing honest moves. Remember, it's supposed to be an honorable game. You thank your opponent for the game regardless of the outcome and you don't get mad at people for playing moves that appear weak to you. http://senseis.xmp.net/?Etiquette [...] you should not wait to resign until the game is about to end. But one should not resign too early either. When suffering a big loss, it is wise not to resign immediately. Continue for several moves until your anger or disappointment has cooled down, and you are able to make a positional judgment. Only if this judgment shows that the game is really lost, is resignation appropriate. Apparently, professional players apply the latter issue with utmost sincerity. We should not be so hard on each other as demanding our opponent to master the professional's art of resigning. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 23 2014 02:28 nimbim wrote: Continuing to play when you have clearly lost is not really rude at lower ranks. Many players simply won't know what exactly is going on, so they keep on playing but mean no harm. I understand how it can be annoying, but I know I've continued plenty of games that were lost because I didn't know it's over. Also, it can be helpful to continue playing the game to the end to practice endgame or whatever, so some people don't resign even though they know they've lost. That's perfectly fine in my opinion, as long as it's not a 60 point lead and they keep playing honest moves. Remember, it's supposed to be an honorable game. You thank your opponent for the game regardless of the outcome and you don't get mad at people for playing moves that appear weak to you. http://senseis.xmp.net/?Etiquette The biggest appeal about Go to me is the feeling of honor and etiquette. Something about it really makes me attracted to the game. I also was a bit annoyed by him continuing to play because I felt he could have actually captured my entire territory when I passed seeing as I had no longer any moves. So essentially, I was done because putting stones in my territory would have netted me less points; so I passed. He didn't and took advantage of my passed turn to create an initiative that was weak and could not be won. | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
On October 23 2014 02:37 Torte de Lini wrote: The biggest appeal about Go to me is the feeling of honor and etiquette. Something about it really makes me attracted to the game. I also was a bit annoyed by him continuing to play because I felt he could have actually captured my entire territory when I passed seeing as I had no longer any moves. So essentially, I was done because putting stones in my territory would have netted me less points; so I passed. He didn't and took advantage of my passed turn to create an initiative that was weak and could not be won. There is still something you could have played. If White plays D9 first, the area on top will be worth 3 points for Black, but if Black goes first it's 4 points. In the end both players neglected to play there, so it's at least 3 points lost for Black. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 23 2014 02:50 nimbim wrote: There is still something you could have played. If White plays D9 first, the area on top will be worth 3 points for Black, but if Black goes first it's 4 points. In the end both players neglected to play there, so it's at least 3 points lost for Black. So if I'm ahead and I clearly don't have any more purpose to play, what do I do if I know he won't pass? If I initiate a pass even though I'm winning he may use it to his advantage and I'm stuck losing points by his own short-sightedness. | ||
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Antipathy
United States222 Posts
On October 23 2014 03:08 Torte de Lini wrote: So if I'm ahead and I clearly don't have any more purpose to play, what do I do if I know he won't pass? If I initiate a pass even though I'm winning he may use it to his advantage and I'm stuck losing points by his own short-sightedness. It sounds like your describing an endgame situation where some of your shapes are not technically alive (though probably de facto alive). In such situations, some opponents may try to expose weaknesses in your shapes, hoping that you won't protect them. If your opponent makes such a move - they are throwing away 1 point to do so. This allows you to respond to the threat without a net loss in points. If somehow you end up losing points in the exchange, then your shape was missing a move to begin with. | ||
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
I don't understand what you're saying about being stuck losing points. If he invades, that is giving you 1 point. If you answer, you lose 1 point. Thats a net 0 difference so the score does not change if you just answer every invasion stone. If he passes, usually that means he is admitting the invasion was unsuccessful, so you pass too. If he passes but then tries to claim some clearly doomed stones are alive, then you have to convince him (verbally/chat) that they're dead. If you can't reach an agreement, call an admin. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 23 2014 03:33 Antipathy wrote: It sounds like your describing an endgame situation where some of your shapes are not technically alive (though probably de facto alive). In such situations, some opponents may try to expose weaknesses in your shapes, hoping that you won't protect them. If your opponent makes such a move - they are throwing away 1 point to do so. This allows you to respond to the threat without a net loss in points. If somehow you end up losing points in the exchange, then your shape was missing a move to begin with. How does he throw away a point? I feel like I'm forgetting a basic rule that states it but please remind me! | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
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Germany38463 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/297HsK7.png) Example. He contested it a bit at the bottom left but I mostly got that huge chunk to me. But after that, I tried to play around the H-8 area and it fell apart and I lost because I can't materialize much defense (I was trying to create an eye) to deteriorate his % of territory. | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
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Torte de Lini
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On October 23 2014 04:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Example. He contested it a bit at the bottom left but I mostly got that huge chunk to me. But after that, I tried to play around the H-8 area and it fell apart and I lost because I can't materialize much defense (I was trying to create an eye) to deteriorate his % of territory. Do remember that a group with only one eye is still dead, unless you can somehow connect it to the rest of your stones (in which case it's fine even if that group doesn't have an eye. It's either 2 eyes or a connection to a live group of stones. In a 9x9 board it's really easy to avoid an invasion, since it's so f***ing hard to create two eyes in such a small place by invading. He just has to reduce you and confine you, and he's fine if he doesn't screw up big time. That's why I don't like 9x9, it feels too cramped  | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 23 2014 04:41 Nouar wrote: Do remember that a group with only one eye is still dead, unless you can somehow connect it to the rest of your stones (in which case it's fine even if that group doesn't have an eye. It's either 2 eyes or a connection to a live group of stones. In a 9x9 board it's really easy to avoid an invasion, since it's so f***ing hard to create two eyes in such a small place by invading. He just has to reduce you and confine you, and he's fine if he doesn't screw up big time. That's why I don't like 9x9, it feels too cramped Sometimes it feels cramped but I prefer right now as I am not very good at some basic key moves that I keep missing (KillerDucky just did some reviews with me, thank you so much!) I felt like I had achieved something pretty good but in reality, I gave the board to him without him knowin g maybe. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9053 Posts
Probably the most "active" Go forum. Join them if you want!. | ||
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