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Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
July 15 2010 16:26 GMT
#6301
hey heavonearth grat you're rank 5th atm. and Utahime rank 22. LOL at the guy saying tl had no player in the top500 elo.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 15 2010 16:31 GMT
#6302
On July 16 2010 01:26 jaw wrote:
hey heavonearth grat you're rank 5th atm. and Utahime rank 22. LOL at the guy saying tl had no player in the top500 elo.


haha ironically it may have been utahime. but im pretty sure he meant most of the TL people(not all)
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 15 2010 16:55 GMT
#6303
I have to agree with Orpheos. In a larger context its wrong to believe that belonging to TL automatically makes you better/worse. Also in a lot of cases Summoner Level doesn't reflect skill-level.

Side note: I'm not sure it's fair to draw conclusions about elo at this time. Not enough games have been played.
FADC
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 15 2010 16:56 GMT
#6304
On July 16 2010 01:26 jaw wrote:
hey heavonearth grat you're rank 5th atm. and Utahime rank 22. LOL at the guy saying tl had no player in the top500 elo.

Playing alot of games early on doesn't mean that that's your actual rank.

Though quite a few TLers were in top 500 yes
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
July 15 2010 16:58 GMT
#6305
On July 16 2010 01:26 jaw wrote:
hey heavonearth grat you're rank 5th atm. and Utahime rank 22. LOL at the guy saying tl had no player in the top500 elo.


Yea Desirous, you care to argue the point some more? :D
Maybe you should get some Euro server players to come back so they'll show us whats really up.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 17:15:44
July 15 2010 17:11 GMT
#6306
On July 16 2010 01:26 jaw wrote:
hey heavonearth grat you're rank 5th atm. and Utahime rank 22. LOL at the guy saying tl had no player in the top500 elo.


If ladder were to refresh now if it stays status quo I think I'd end up #2

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7396/1337r.jpg

nomnomnom 1337 rating.

Edit:
Also nomnomnom 11 game winning streak. People complaining about luck pshh.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 15 2010 17:18 GMT
#6307
Lol @ intentionally not banning heimerdinger to secure soraka first pick

God we ran so sick that game
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 15 2010 17:25 GMT
#6308
Pantheon been banned in half my ranked games thus far. "Pantheon is fuckin op"
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 15 2010 17:29 GMT
#6309
So after playing kayle in all but 2 of my ranked games I'm pretty sure shes the

a) easiest carry to get farmed with
b) strongest mid game carry by far
c) has the most utility of any carry.

Every game i have won i've been far ahead in kills and had less deaths in all of the games i won combined than i did with the 1 game i lost lol.

There doesnt seem to be a logical reason why anyone would pick another ranged carry because they just dont have the DPS and Utility of kayle.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 15 2010 17:31 GMT
#6310
Kayle strongest mid carry? You gotta be kidding me :3
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 15 2010 17:36 GMT
#6311
On July 16 2010 02:29 Phrost wrote:
So after playing kayle in all but 2 of my ranked games I'm pretty sure shes the

a) easiest carry to get farmed with
b) strongest mid game carry by far
c) has the most utility of any carry.

Every game i have won i've been far ahead in kills and had less deaths in all of the games i won combined than i did with the 1 game i lost lol.

There doesnt seem to be a logical reason why anyone would pick another ranged carry because they just dont have the DPS and Utility of kayle.


utility of kayle maybe, but dps? i definitely feel like there are champs with higher dps than kayle late game.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 15 2010 17:44 GMT
#6312
On July 16 2010 02:36 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 02:29 Phrost wrote:
So after playing kayle in all but 2 of my ranked games I'm pretty sure shes the

a) easiest carry to get farmed with
b) strongest mid game carry by far
c) has the most utility of any carry.

Every game i have won i've been far ahead in kills and had less deaths in all of the games i won combined than i did with the 1 game i lost lol.

There doesnt seem to be a logical reason why anyone would pick another ranged carry because they just dont have the DPS and Utility of kayle.


utility of kayle maybe, but dps? i definitely feel like there are champs with higher dps than kayle late game.



The problem is that her early/mid game dps is so huge you don't get to the late game. With 3 relatively easily built items you can just steamroll pretty much anyone.

I mean even at level 2 I was soloing middle against a katarina and was pushing her back with QE auto attack spam. Q + E + 1 auto attack took away almost 1/4 of her hp =/

The thing thats probably OP about kayle is she reaches her critical mass for dps so quickly that everything else is just icing on the cake. Im sure a Yi or tryndamere can out dps her but because she does half magic half physical damage she can pretty much kill any ranged carry (ashe, tristana, etc) without breaking a sweat. Most melee champions are food for her because with her Q slowing, ranged attack, and W to increase her move speed AND heal you can kite all day and never die. If you do somehow manage to get caught just ult and fly away safely.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 17:58:48
July 15 2010 17:57 GMT
#6313
[image loading]
Sometimes solo queue doesn't fail O_o



About Kayle, she's definitely strong yes, but I think of her as more of a midgame carry a'la singed than a real lategame carry. And she can still be stopped when playing properly
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
July 15 2010 17:59 GMT
#6314
I think it has to do with the way her DPS grows relative to her items. Early/mid game her Q does a ridiculous amount of damage, which is further compounded by getting a Blasting Wand/Fiendish Codex as an early game item. By the time you do farm up enough gold to finish your Guinsoo's/Nashor's Tooth, you've also gotten to the point where E can become a huge source of your damage, which synergizes perfectly with the item you finished.
Writer
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 15 2010 18:04 GMT
#6315
So, what should Kayle aim for after the guinsoo nashor combination? Hextech feels like it's too costy, I've been thinking about something like The Black Cleaver but I really can't seem to figure out a good synergizing item for her. Zhonya feels kind of meh. I've also been thinking about Will of the Ancients or something but can't seem to find anything that'd really go along the same route that nashor and guinsoo do.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 15 2010 18:23 GMT
#6316
On July 16 2010 03:04 Shikyo wrote:
So, what should Kayle aim for after the guinsoo nashor combination? Hextech feels like it's too costy, I've been thinking about something like The Black Cleaver but I really can't seem to figure out a good synergizing item for her. Zhonya feels kind of meh. I've also been thinking about Will of the Ancients or something but can't seem to find anything that'd really go along the same route that nashor and guinsoo do.


yea i havent really figured out what to get at that point either. i dont think it should be something constant. i think if im having a hard time or getting FF early on, ill pick up a GA. if they are stacking armor or you just want to take down towers really fucking fast, LW is great. BTs are nice for win more since you farm pretty fast with maxed E. i would definitely go with an AD item thou since at that point dps is more important to you than your Q burst.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 18:40:27
July 15 2010 18:38 GMT
#6317
On July 16 2010 03:23 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 03:04 Shikyo wrote:
So, what should Kayle aim for after the guinsoo nashor combination? Hextech feels like it's too costy, I've been thinking about something like The Black Cleaver but I really can't seem to figure out a good synergizing item for her. Zhonya feels kind of meh. I've also been thinking about Will of the Ancients or something but can't seem to find anything that'd really go along the same route that nashor and guinsoo do.


yea i havent really figured out what to get at that point either. i dont think it should be something constant. i think if im having a hard time or getting FF early on, ill pick up a GA. if they are stacking armor or you just want to take down towers really fucking fast, LW is great. BTs are nice for win more since you farm pretty fast with maxed E. i would definitely go with an AD item thou since at that point dps is more important to you than your Q burst.

I've actually started to think about Deathfire Grasp. It'd reduce her cooldowns to nothingness for perma-E and Q, synergizes with Q to some degree, and gives her AP and mana regen as well. I think it's worth a try~

Youmu might be able to do both. If her E worked with Youmu's active I'd certainly pick it I think.

GA is of course an option if you can't do much
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
July 15 2010 18:43 GMT
#6318
On July 16 2010 03:38 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 03:23 Orpheos wrote:
On July 16 2010 03:04 Shikyo wrote:
So, what should Kayle aim for after the guinsoo nashor combination? Hextech feels like it's too costy, I've been thinking about something like The Black Cleaver but I really can't seem to figure out a good synergizing item for her. Zhonya feels kind of meh. I've also been thinking about Will of the Ancients or something but can't seem to find anything that'd really go along the same route that nashor and guinsoo do.


yea i havent really figured out what to get at that point either. i dont think it should be something constant. i think if im having a hard time or getting FF early on, ill pick up a GA. if they are stacking armor or you just want to take down towers really fucking fast, LW is great. BTs are nice for win more since you farm pretty fast with maxed E. i would definitely go with an AD item thou since at that point dps is more important to you than your Q burst.

I've actually started to think about Deathfire Grasp. It'd reduce her cooldowns to nothingness for perma-E and Q, synergizes with Q to some degree, and gives her AP and mana regen as well. I think it's worth a try~

GA is of course an option if you can't do much


i just get 9/0/21 and flat cdr blues which gets me really close to 40%(within 1% i think) cdr right when i get nashor because i dont feel like waiting/investing in another cdr item.

what are you guys taking for summoner spells on kayle? im taking flash/cleanse recently, but i wonder if i should take ignite instead of flash now that its gotten an inadvertant buff.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 15 2010 18:47 GMT
#6319
I take ghost and cleanse on like every champ so~


But yeah I don't even have flat cdr blues, I don't think my mres blues are amazing for kayle <_> Deathfire grasp still gets boosted by Q so it should result in some imba burst
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 15 2010 18:50 GMT
#6320
What summoner skills to get on Kat? Since Flash is getting removed soon, I'm considering the following:

Heal - Always nice to have more HP right?
Exhaust - To get in an additional hit of my DL before Rylai's hits
Cleanse - Always useful in escape
Clarity - I'm always out of mana on Kat
Ghost - Chase/escape
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