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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 19:41:52
October 15 2010 19:36 GMT
#24421
My usual jungle build for most tanky champs is cloth amor +5 pots -> boots before red -> 2x HOG -> 2x negatrons. Then i upgrade 1 hog to randuin if they have scarier AD champs or i upgrade negatron to either FON or Banshee's (recently i've started loving FON way more)

And i think my build actually gives you the best stats for the money you invest, however at the cost of "utility" (so you have very late CDR and slow from randu, ms/regen from fon, etc etc)
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
October 15 2010 19:37 GMT
#24422
Razor is such a waste on olaf. He farms well enough with his spammable axe.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 15 2010 19:38 GMT
#24423
On October 16 2010 04:37 Repok wrote:
Razor is such a waste on olaf. He farms well enough with his spammable axe.

Yeah indeed. Though razor speeds up dragon so much that it's painful soloing dragon on most champs w/o it (even though most of the time you have to fight for dragon anyway)
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 15 2010 19:40 GMT
#24424
Amumu and Fiddle don't care about razors for doing dragon.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 15 2010 19:41 GMT
#24425
On October 16 2010 04:40 Mogwai wrote:
Amumu and Fiddle don't care about razors for doing dragon.


fiddle stands around doing the Y for YMCA while doing dragon, and gets all sad when noone else does the rest of the letters
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 19:42:37
October 15 2010 19:42 GMT
#24426
lantern is great on olaf tho because it synergizes so well with his W

speaking as the bravest olaf (i once built 6 HoG and nothing else, truth)

best build is

cloth+5
madred
HoG
HoG+boots
lantern
swiftness
randuin/banshee depending on team, usually banshee though
FoN
atmas
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 15 2010 19:42 GMT
#24427
On October 16 2010 04:40 Mogwai wrote:
Amumu and Fiddle don't care about razors for doing dragon.

Yeah, they are "special"

Now imagine Shen soloing a dragon...
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
October 15 2010 19:44 GMT
#24428
Olaf is as much of a tank now as Garen. However as Mog said the criteria for tanks have changed. Back then you could split melee heroes into "things that soak up damage and output a mediocre amount of damage, mostly affecting battles with their CC or none at all" and "things that do a ridiculous amount of damage at the cost of actually staying in battle" like Yi. Most people figured Olaf would be the latter, given that he has an OP amount of CC.

Nowadays Garen, full-tank Xin, etc are considered "tanks" and are effective. This puts Olaf squarely in the bracket of them Udyr etc. which are tanks that do some decent damage and mostly just outlast the shit out of opponents. What happened to make this viable? Tough to say. Think back to when Olaf was released and everyone ran mass CC + ranged DPS teams.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 15 2010 19:50 GMT
#24429
On October 16 2010 03:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
R>E>Q>W after QEWEERE
Anyway rupture does more damage so get it over scream unless they've got a champ you 100% can't kill without silence and probably can kill with.

Rupture scales better in a way that it gives 10 more dmg at lvl 3 and 5 more dmg at lvl 5. From my experience scream is better at harassing, zoning, farming (AoE can hit more minions), and can hit more, also costs tiny bit less mana. While silence doesn't scale well, at least it actually scales. I can't see a situation where I would want rupture lvled instead of scream with exception being 1v2 lane.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 20:01:41
October 15 2010 19:58 GMT
#24430
On October 16 2010 04:50 Scipaeus121212 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 03:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
R>E>Q>W after QEWEERE
Anyway rupture does more damage so get it over scream unless they've got a champ you 100% can't kill without silence and probably can kill with.

Rupture scales better in a way that it gives 10 more dmg at lvl 3 and 5 more dmg at lvl 5. From my experience scream is better at harassing, zoning, farming (AoE can hit more minions), and can hit more, also costs tiny bit less mana. While silence doesn't scale well, at least it actually scales. I can't see a situation where I would want rupture lvled instead of scream with exception being 1v2 lane.

edit: Okay, I thought about this, and the main reason I take rupture is because W takes too much time to start moving again after you hit them and you don't use it to chase ever. It's 100x easier to hit rupture on someone running away from you than it is to hit scream.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 15 2010 19:59 GMT
#24431
I mean, purely theory crafting... I don't see the reason to level rupture up... Unless the champions section on the LoL website is out of date on Cho, all that scales up is the damage, which while great, just doesn't seem as important as getting your silence duration up. I mean, doesn't it have the same effect at level 1 as level 5 in the situations you're talking about 5hit? I don't see the reason you need like 10 more points of burst over another quarter second of silence.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 15 2010 20:04 GMT
#24432
I dunno, I find that rupture farms better than scream and it has a shorter cooldown by a ton. I can't explain exactly why but I'm 100% sure rupture is the better option because you're bursting with cc in a short amount of time and scream's range is pathetic, it's only a bit larger than feast.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
October 15 2010 20:07 GMT
#24433
On October 16 2010 04:32 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 04:21 oberon wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:13 Mogwai wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:02 Kaniol wrote:
TANK OLAF BE DA BEST OLAF.

Discuss.

Srsly though whenever i see DPS Olafs they either play like yi or drop like flies. Maybe i haven't seen good DPS Olaf?

tank olaf does almost as much damage anyway. lessee... lemme check my criteria for figuring out how to build this character.

1. Is Olaf a character in League of Legends? yep

OK, so with that criteria filled, I will suggest the following, highly theorycrafted build suited to your character's characteristics:
omen, veil, atma's, GOGOGOGOGO.


I remember when Olaf came out and I said "could be the next great tank" and everyone in the thread said "WTF you noob he's DPS".

I'll just go ahead and say that what "tank" meant back then and what "tank" means now has changed considerably.

Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 04:30 arb wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:29 oberon wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:25 BraveGhost wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:21 oberon wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:13 Mogwai wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:02 Kaniol wrote:
TANK OLAF BE DA BEST OLAF.

Discuss.

Srsly though whenever i see DPS Olafs they either play like yi or drop like flies. Maybe i haven't seen good DPS Olaf?

tank olaf does almost as much damage anyway. lessee... lemme check my criteria for figuring out how to build this character.

1. Is Olaf a character in League of Legends? yep

OK, so with that criteria filled, I will suggest the following, highly theorycrafted build suited to your character's characteristics:
omen, veil, atma's, GOGOGOGOGO.


I remember when Olaf came out and I said "could be the next great tank" and everyone in the thread said "WTF you noob he's DPS".


he is DPS :D... he just tanks some damage while doing it... noob :D


This was when people were saying "OMG you have to rush mallet on him".

Which, by the way, still makes no sense to me. Why would a slow, when he already has a low CD one, be so exciting on him?

I think its good health
my build on j ungle laf usually goes

cloth + 5 pots
razors
boots 1
wriggles
berseker/merc
mallet
sunfire
atmas
sunfire

always have a red elixir up
you just ghost in and fuck some poor carrys day up

I'll just go ahead and say that all the best Olafs I've seen get HoG off their cloth armor start and build essentially 100% tank.


Yeaaaaah... I'm gonna have to ask you to, uh, go ahead and play LoL on Saturday. Sooo...if you could be on at 9am, that'd be greeeeat.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 15 2010 20:08 GMT
#24434
Seriously I've mained cho for like 500+ wins, rupture's the way to go on SR and TT. Cho's role is also much different on TT than SR and having 1 point in w to interrupt channels and turn teamfights into run away fights is all you need. You'll be level 18 when everyone else is 14 anyway because you farm so hard. If you're close enough to scream at them why not just feast them? This might all change next patch when Rylais becomes useful on Cho. Slow on Vorpal is gonna be strong.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 15 2010 20:09 GMT
#24435
On October 16 2010 04:32 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 04:21 oberon wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:13 Mogwai wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:02 Kaniol wrote:
TANK OLAF BE DA BEST OLAF.

Discuss.

Srsly though whenever i see DPS Olafs they either play like yi or drop like flies. Maybe i haven't seen good DPS Olaf?

tank olaf does almost as much damage anyway. lessee... lemme check my criteria for figuring out how to build this character.

1. Is Olaf a character in League of Legends? yep

OK, so with that criteria filled, I will suggest the following, highly theorycrafted build suited to your character's characteristics:
omen, veil, atma's, GOGOGOGOGO.


I remember when Olaf came out and I said "could be the next great tank" and everyone in the thread said "WTF you noob he's DPS".

I'll just go ahead and say that what "tank" meant back then and what "tank" means now has changed considerably.

Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 04:30 arb wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:29 oberon wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:25 BraveGhost wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:21 oberon wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:13 Mogwai wrote:
On October 16 2010 04:02 Kaniol wrote:
TANK OLAF BE DA BEST OLAF.

Discuss.

Srsly though whenever i see DPS Olafs they either play like yi or drop like flies. Maybe i haven't seen good DPS Olaf?

tank olaf does almost as much damage anyway. lessee... lemme check my criteria for figuring out how to build this character.

1. Is Olaf a character in League of Legends? yep

OK, so with that criteria filled, I will suggest the following, highly theorycrafted build suited to your character's characteristics:
omen, veil, atma's, GOGOGOGOGO.


I remember when Olaf came out and I said "could be the next great tank" and everyone in the thread said "WTF you noob he's DPS".


he is DPS :D... he just tanks some damage while doing it... noob :D


This was when people were saying "OMG you have to rush mallet on him".

Which, by the way, still makes no sense to me. Why would a slow, when he already has a low CD one, be so exciting on him?

I think its good health
my build on j ungle laf usually goes

cloth + 5 pots
razors
boots 1
wriggles
berseker/merc
mallet
sunfire
atmas
sunfire

always have a red elixir up
you just ghost in and fuck some poor carrys day up

I'll just go ahead and say that all the best Olafs I've seen get HoG off their cloth armor start and build essentially 100% tank.

I get it cause it speeds up jungling quite a bit even without blue/lets you do dragon ALOT easier,turning it into wriggles for the free ward has helped me alot.

I mostly just play him as a run in and shit on some poor carries face then sit there spamming E on anything not tank
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 15 2010 20:25 GMT
#24436
My win-loss record is inching closer and closer to 50-50, and I'm still utterly convinced Malph is the right champion for me. The survivability coupled with the ability to chase people FOREVER coupled with the the epic amounts of AoE damage he's capable of is just awesome ^^

Or maybe it's just that I hate Kat, and Malph is a great counter to her once he starts stacking armor.

Either way. Also, Tier 3 runes are EXPENSIVE
SUNSFANNED
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 20:35:08
October 15 2010 20:30 GMT
#24437
how is malph a counter to kat, she does almost 100% magic dmg

edit: the only way i could see him being a counter is strictly due to his passive fucking up her pokey pokey shit early game, but you specifically said later on when you start stacking armor. this is where is i lose track of where you're going

edit2: even then, who the fuck solo mids malph? besides me that is

i suppose i should note that every bloody time i play malph, its like we have a jungler, a solo, and two duo lane heroes, so i kinda get stuck going mid >.<
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 15 2010 20:30 GMT
#24438
Kat does magic damage, LOL.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 20:32:06
October 15 2010 20:31 GMT
#24439
malph is one of the worst counters to kat i can think of with like a 937575 cd stun ultimate
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 15 2010 20:34 GMT
#24440
speaking of solo mid Malphite... solo mid alistar is beastly.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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