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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 29 2010 17:51 GMT
#20921
the damage really isn't negligible IMO. again, it's true damage and true damage is gaytacular.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 17:52:28
September 29 2010 17:52 GMT
#20922
Yeah Kog's passive is dumb but he can steal first blood if he finishes his killer off with it. Which is also dumb but for different reasons.
it's my first day
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 29 2010 17:55 GMT
#20923
On September 30 2010 00:05 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'm currently building recursive bow into tank items...


int recursiveBow(){

shoot();
if(oppLife <= 0){
gold = gold + 250;
kills = kills + 1
printf("You just pwnt %s!\n", oppName);
return 9001;
}else return recursiveBow();
}


SUNSFANNED
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 29 2010 17:59 GMT
#20924
On September 30 2010 02:55 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 00:05 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'm currently building recursive bow into tank items...


int recursiveBow(){

shoot();
if(oppLife <= 0){
gold = gold + 250;
kills = kills + 1
printf("You just pwnt %s!\n", oppName);
return 9001;
}else return recursiveBow();
}



your stack's gonna overflow bro.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
September 29 2010 18:03 GMT
#20925
[image loading]
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
September 29 2010 18:03 GMT
#20926
100+ 25xlevel

level 6 it does 250 damage
level 18 it does 550 damage

and I have to die and not be juked/flashed/ghosted to use it. and it increases my death timer by 4 seconds.

Olaf does 340ish true damage every 4 seconds (as long as he has HP)
Cho does 800+.2AP true damage every 60 seconds

I don't know any others... but just saying it's true damage and therefore useful doesn't make much sense to me. Comparatively it's the worst true damage "spell" in the game.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 18:09:43
September 29 2010 18:09 GMT
#20927
On September 30 2010 02:49 ghen wrote:
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On September 30 2010 02:44 spinesheath wrote:
On September 30 2010 02:32 ghen wrote:
On September 30 2010 01:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I hate "brave" meme. gawd.

On a side note, jungle Panth is pretty fun. Ganks like a boss. Even if you don't get a kill ganking mid, dropping that MF down to half life at level 2 (I do small golems first) and making her blow Flash brings a smile to my face.

Just need to work on landing those ultis, huk.



BRAVE IS A MEME! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Creating meme's is extremely brave after all.


Back to business,

Everyone's complaining about the rumor change to kog's W, but it's his passive I'm worried about. That thing does no damage, but at least I can hit people that don't juke at the last second.. if I'm feared during the passive it doesn't matter how much damage you give it, it won't hit ANYONE EVER.

Passive relies on dying in the game or else you never get any benefit of it, so the better you are at him, the weaker his original skillset will become by the small amount that the passive was giving.

Worst passive in the game right now and they want to make it even worse.

His passive is not really useful in either case. I don't see why you would care about a change to it.
Yeah ok it does some damage, but you're dead after you used it. You'd better focus on not dieing because you deal more damage for every second you live than your passive could ever do.


That's my point exactly. If you don't die the entire game then your passive essentially doesn't exist and is truly the worst in the game. If you die to karthus, ashe, ez, etc. ults same thing.

I'd rather have alistar's +damage to turrets (even +1% screw it) than an explosion that does negligible damage (if it hits) and increases my death timer!


Then why do you complain about a change to it?
A champ is more than just his passive. Even if his passive is bad, he has plenty of other things to make up for it. Another champ might have a great passive, but lacks in other areas.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 29 2010 18:10 GMT
#20928
it's a passive. they're not supposed to be as strong as real spells for the most part, let alone ults.

just because better sources of true damage exist doesn't mean it's not annoying when Kass snares half your team after they kill Kog and then you all eat 500 damage that you can't mitigate at all.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
patochaos
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina160 Posts
September 29 2010 18:13 GMT
#20929
Sry for the noob queestion guys, but is there really only 2 rune pages?
I find it stupid to have to decide which runes am I going to use before character selection, since it means i won't be able to pick a hero that compliments my team well.

Thankx
viva peron
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 29 2010 18:14 GMT
#20930
On September 30 2010 03:13 patochaos wrote:
Sry for the noob queestion guys, but is there really only 2 rune pages?
I find it stupid to have to decide which runes am I going to use before character selection, since it means i won't be able to pick a hero that compliments my team well.

Thankx

It's possible to buy up to 7 more rune pages.

Annoyingly expensive, though.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 29 2010 18:15 GMT
#20931
you can purchase extra rune pages in the store. I have 9 rune pages, most people get by with 3 or 4 in ranked games.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
September 29 2010 18:15 GMT
#20932
Well maybe that's because I'm not familiar with jungling Pantheon yet, I've played him a lot pre-nerf, now I'm trying to taste how is it like after those crazy nerfs and I think it's still pretty beastly <3
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 29 2010 18:16 GMT
#20933
On September 30 2010 03:10 Mogwai wrote:
it's a passive. they're not supposed to be as strong as real spells for the most part, let alone ults.


takes 15% reduced damage from abilities
After casting 3 spells, Sona's next attack deals extra 24 (+12 per level) magic damage.

Damn OP heroes!
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 18:25:58
September 29 2010 18:23 GMT
#20934
[image loading]


BTW, Heimer still good, maxing out rockets first <3
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 29 2010 18:24 GMT
#20935
After 4 attacks/spell casts, Pantheon gets a shield charge that absorbs the next attack that would deal 40 or more damage to him.

I really wish that shit would function like a dodge and not apply crap like red buff even when I block .
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 18:33:45
September 29 2010 18:25 GMT
#20936
On September 30 2010 03:16 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 03:10 Mogwai wrote:
it's a passive. they're not supposed to be as strong as real spells for the most part, let alone ults.


takes 15% reduced damage from abilities
After casting 3 spells, Sona's next attack deals extra 24 (+12 per level) magic damage.

Damn OP heroes!


or warwick's 15% lifesteal
or annie's passive.. which is the only reason to play annie
or vladimir/galio/et.al.

yes, sometimes they are more powerful than QWER and sometimes the most important part of a champion. I'm not saying Kog's should be equal to his spells though, just not the worst in the game

So my original claim is
Kog"Maw's passive is the worst in the game and they are making it even worse with this (rumored and beta) change.

Let's continue to work on that. (or not if you don't care... I really just get peeved about it though )

edit: ok, here's my idea. when Kog explodes he shoots out a puddle of goo that slows people just like his E. Either in just one direction, or in 2/4/8 directions as he levels up. slow would be a constant 15% and not scale with items.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
September 29 2010 18:28 GMT
#20937
Friggin' Pantheons passive blew my mind when he first came out. I was like my god, just get some attack speed and you're INVINCIBLE. This coming from a gangplank.

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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 18:34:34
September 29 2010 18:31 GMT
#20938
Pantheon's passive is pretty good. I just hate barely getting caught by Ashe/Red Buff and not having my first block block the fucking perma-slow.

EDIT: I still just maintain that Kog's passive isn't as bad as Alistar's and if you wanna use the stupid "but it only does anything when you die!" defense then I'll argue that it was still better than Karthus's until they changed Karthus's passive to "die at the right time to become 100% invicible" which IMO was a bit too big of a buff and I hope they don't do something similar to Kog's passive.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
September 29 2010 18:32 GMT
#20939
lol what kogmaws passive is so win. u can literally commit to anyone mid, they kill you , you blow up on them and YOU get first blood.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 29 2010 18:32 GMT
#20940
LOL
When pantheon came out I was playing Shaco so it was like
DECEIVE
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BLOCK


!@#()*$#@*$)&@#$
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