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NBA Playoffs 2010 - Page 84
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x2fst
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
goddamn, that was the greatest laugh i've had all day | ||
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Spiffeh
United States830 Posts
poor Ray Allen though, bails them out so many times at the end of the game and gets jack squat | ||
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Dknight
United States5225 Posts
On May 25 2010 12:55 Ace wrote: He was the only guy open. Rondo is not even a terrible shooter, come on you guys have been riding this myth for 3 years now let it go. Seriously? I'm as diehard as you are for Boston but seriously...it isn't a myth. Rondo is a horrible shooter outside of pretty much five feet. They should've called a timeout with 10 seconds to go and set a play for Allen. On May 25 2010 13:32 Spiffeh wrote: lol Davis looks like a baby turtle there ^^ poor Ray Allen though, bails them out so many times at the end of the game and gets jack squat I don't consider 18.3 mil jack squat. He may not be as recognized as Pierce or KG but to say jack squat is just foolish. | ||
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Dknight
United States5225 Posts
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
On May 25 2010 12:20 InfeSteD wrote: i fuckin love watchin the celtcis <3 I wanna suck Pierces, Rondos, and Allens dick fo reals That's great. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also explain how he scores so much even though he isn't always attacking the basket. Or do you believe Rondo is dropping 20 on Orlando with Dwight Howard patrolling the paint? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On May 25 2010 13:46 Ace wrote: If Rondo is such a bad shooter explain how he's been called the top PG/top 4 PG in the NBA so many times, and has been in the conversation since 2008. Also explain how he scores so much even though he isn't always attacking the basket. Or do you believe Rondo is dropping 20 on Orlando with Dwight Howard patrolling the paint? he shoots occasional jumpers but its definately not his strength. His defense, rebounding, passing/running the offense are the reason hes so highly regarded. If he had Steve Nash's jumper hed be unstoppable. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On May 25 2010 14:11 Ace wrote: But it's also not his weakness. There's a difference between being a bad shooter and being decent. Clearly some people have this idea that omg Rondo can't shoot! going on even though it's been wrong for the past 2 years. well i think it is pretty clear that shooting the ball from 10 ft out is rondo's greatest weakness. He is really strong in almost any other area of the game: Defense, rebounding, passing, speed, agility, and good decision making all the while have with the opposing team's defense designed around the fact he can't shoot and playing off of him by like 3-5 ft. If the weakest facet of his game is shooting, then that is what you would call his weakness. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 25 2010 14:11 Ace wrote: But it's also not his weakness. There's a difference between being a bad shooter and being decent. Clearly some people have this idea that omg Rondo can't shoot! going on even though it's been wrong for the past 2 years. Shooting is Rondo's weakness. Who are some other point guards that have as low of a FT percentage as Rondo? Sure, he has definitely improved his shooting since 2008, but that doesn't mean you can no longer say it's his weakness. I mean two years ago, defenders didn't even bother guarding him when he was outside of the elbow range. He's a bad (decent is being generous) shooter, as simple as that. This doesn't mean he can't be a great point guard - he's great at other facets of the game: defense, passing, leadership, controlling pace, etc. Therefore, him being a top point guard doesn't mean he's not bad at shooting. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On May 25 2010 12:56 hasuprotoss wrote: The Celtics deserve to get reverse-swept. KG needs to take accidental elbows like a man, Pierce needs to learn how to shave, and Rondo needs to learn how to manage the clock. "LOL look at me dribble around down 2 possessions with 20 seconds left." Reverse bandwagoners coming out of the woodwork, oh my. I doubt the Celtics are losing too much sleep over this one. | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
the nba actually publishes shot location data clearly showing that he's straight up bad, he shot like 30% from beyond 15ft this year even though he's often wide open see for yourself | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 25 2010 12:55 Ace wrote:He was the only guy open. Rondo is not even a terrible shooter, come on you guys have been riding this myth for 3 years now let it go. You need to check out the NBA Hotspots page for Rondo. He is a terrible perimeter shooter. Edit: Didn't the see the post just before this one. It really isn't debatable at this point. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 25 2010 17:14 XaI)CyRiC wrote: You need to check out the NBA Hotspots page for Rondo. He is a terrible perimeter shooter. Edit: Didn't the see the post just before this one. It really isn't debatable at this point. Rondo- 2010 Playoffs: 3s - 40%. 40% shooting from 3 point land means you're terrible now? For comparison reasons Ray Allen is shooting 42.5% from 3s. Of course Ray Allen took 6 times as many 3s as Rondo but I'm going off of the basic argument here: Rondo is a terrible shooter. And yes this is looking at the hotspots chart from NBA.com. Once again I'm going to ask if you guys are sure you're not being biased from what you hear on TV or read in print. I'm not saying he is a great shooter - what I'm saying is you guys are exaggerating this "Rondo is a bad shooter" rhetoric when that's not the case. He's decent, not terrible. If anyone wants to say that Rondo hasn't taken enough 3 pointers for this to be conclusive then realize this works both ways. On May 25 2010 20:58 unknown.sam wrote: gaaah, the celts can't close it out. i want the finals already. but who knows maybe for the first time in nba history a team will win the series after being down 0-3. ok maybe not. I doubt they are worried. The game was really close and only like 1 bad call can be argued for the Celtics loss. And it wasn't even that bad of a call (honest ref mistake on the Davis foul on Nelson). Paul Pierce was just worn out at the end. They also stopped going to Ray Allen until the end of the game which imo was a weird decision. And in a surprise to no one John Hollinger has an exaggerated piece on ESPN.com talking about how Boston isn't ready for the next round. Seriously why do they pay him? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/381943-john-hollinger-is-to-the-stats-revolution-as-micheal-bay-is-to-movies In Moneyball, there's a quote from Bill James about how keeping stats from the fans is the equivalent of locking the doors to the game. John Hollinger means nothing to the basketball stats revolution because he's expanded no more than Micheal Bay has expanded the discussion on film as an art form. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On May 25 2010 21:29 Ace wrote: Rondo- 2010 Playoffs: 3s - 40%. 40% shooting from 3 point land means you're terrible now? For comparison reasons Ray Allen is shooting 42.5% from 3s. Of course Ray Allen took 6 times as many 3s as Rondo but I'm going off of the basic argument here: Rondo is a terrible shooter. And yes this is looking at the hotspots chart from NBA.com. Once again I'm going to ask if you guys are sure you're not being biased from what you hear on TV or read in print. I'm not saying he is a great shooter - what I'm saying is you guys are exaggerating this "Rondo is a bad shooter" rhetoric when that's not the case. He's decent, not terrible. If anyone wants to say that Rondo hasn't taken enough 3 pointers for this to be conclusive then realize this works both ways. I doubt they are worried. The game was really close and only like 1 bad call can be argued for the Celtics loss. And it wasn't even that bad of a call (honest ref mistake on the Davis foul on Nelson). Paul Pierce was just worn out at the end. They also stopped going to Ray Allen until the end of the game which imo was a weird decision. And in a surprise to no one John Hollinger has an exaggerated piece on ESPN.com talking about how Boston isn't ready for the next round. Seriously why do they pay him? ...pretty sure you aren't, it doesn't matter what the TV analysts say, it matters how the teams play him and how he plays against the set defense, none of the teams played Rondo close at the perimeter at all. In fact last night when Carter was on Rondo up close at the the 3 point line, SVG got up and screamed at him to get back. It's not bias, it's the simple fact that Rondo can't shoot jump shots period, sure he gets the occasional shot, but he doesn't put up that many shots at all (not FGs but mid range jumpers). He takes at most three 3-pointers per game so that 40% is pretty misleading considering he hasn't even attempted one this series. If you want to look at it another way, for all of the pick and roll and screens they set for Rondo, how many times has he pulled up for an open jumper? How many times have you see the person guarding Rondo get burned by a jump shot because he was playing too far back from him? You don't give good shooters space period, but the Magic defenders have consistently given him that space. The fact that Rondo himself isn't pulling up with that kind of space says a lot about his own confidence in his shot. | ||
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