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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 11 2009 16:06 GMT
#161
5. Be3

dragon please
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jcu
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada93 Posts
December 11 2009 16:20 GMT
#162
5. c4

Maroczy bind is fine versus the accelerated dragon even though Nc3 is mainline.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 17:04:18
December 11 2009 16:35 GMT
#163
i would vote something like nc3 or h4 here, but it's irrelevant. c4 is probably the better move anyways
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
December 11 2009 16:52 GMT
#164
Bill Murray = lightman's agent infiltrated on our team :-)
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 11 2009 16:52 GMT
#165
no way
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 17:02:59
December 11 2009 16:55 GMT
#166
for those voting c4:
are you thinking c4-> then if he bg7 we be3.. if he nf6 we nc3

lets say he does bg7 and we be3,
he then does nf6 and we nc3 .. in that order
what are our goals? he will probably castle if he does this....
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 18:28:58
December 11 2009 18:12 GMT
#167
Maroczy bind eww


I thought we were better than that....

KXc6 KC3 Be3
English attack system FTW!!!!

Also, I'll do anything to prevent going into a maroczy bind system.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also from my experience the best way to deal with the dragon is to push out with the H pawn and screw up his pawn formation then swoop in for the kill.
Slikk
Profile Joined August 2008
Norway81 Posts
December 11 2009 18:19 GMT
#168
I vote for Nc3
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 18:27:41
December 11 2009 18:25 GMT
#169
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 20:32:19
December 11 2009 18:50 GMT
#170
On December 12 2009 03:25 stormtemplar wrote:
Bc1-e3 Guys, don't focus to much on how to "Fight the dragon" or stop this opening or whatever. I have no set opening moves past kings pawn but I win pretty often by just seeing the board and picking the move I think will confer an advantage. Mid and late game are more important.

This.

Nevertheless, I like

5. c4.
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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 18:51:23
December 11 2009 18:51 GMT
#171
c4

+ Show Spoiler +
Doesn't playing against the Accelerated Dragon like you would normally against the Dragon allow black to equalize comfortably with an early d5?
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
December 11 2009 18:56 GMT
#172
On December 12 2009 01:55 Bill Murray wrote:
for those voting c4:
are you thinking c4-> then if he bg7 we be3.. if he nf6 we nc3

lets say he does bg7 and we be3,
he then does nf6 and we nc3 .. in that order
what are our goals? he will probably castle if he does this....

+ Show Spoiler +
As I said im not that good so dont trust on me.
Here is a scene in my mind:
5c4 Bg7
6Be3 Nf6
7Nc3 0-0
8Be2 d6
9 0-0 Bd7
10 Qd2 Nxd4
11 Bxd4 Bc6
12f3 a5
13 b3 Nd7
14Be3 Nc5
15Rab1 Qb6
16Rfc1 Rfc8

After this its really complicated.
But we have the upperhand in this variation:
17Rc2 Qd8
18a3 b6
19b4 axb4
20 axb4 Na4
21 Nd5 Whats ur opinion?
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
December 11 2009 18:57 GMT
#173
On December 12 2009 03:25 stormtemplar wrote:
Bc1-e3 Guys, don't focus to much on how to "Fight the dragon" or stop this opening or whatever. I have no set opening moves past kings pawn but I win pretty often by just seeing the board and picking the move I think will confer an advantage. Mid and late game are more important.


I think we would all agree with the fact that we want "whatever move will confer an advantage" and that mid/late game is important. When we get there we will hopefully put up a good fight. In the meantime we have an opening to play.

Agreed with goldrush & his concern above.
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UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
December 11 2009 19:08 GMT
#174
WGM ? : O

There was a vid on youtube - about the O N L Y and FIRST ever woman to become Grand Master .

I ll look for it cuz I don`t know how old it is but if she`s rly WGM and happens to be on starcraft forum. Oh boy.
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 19:12:19
December 11 2009 19:11 GMT
#175
On December 12 2009 04:08 UFO wrote:
WGM ? : O

There was a vid on youtube - about the O N L Y and FIRST ever woman to become Grand Master .

I ll look for it cuz I don`t know how old it is but if she`s rly WGM and happens to be on starcraft forum. Oh boy.


WGM is a different title from GM (far lower requirements for WGM) but in any case, there are a few women who're full-fledged GM's right now.
jcu
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada93 Posts
December 11 2009 19:47 GMT
#176
The part about lightman being a WGM is a joke isn't it? That's what someone told me at least. Anyways d6 is a dragon. Right now we are in accelerated dragon which is quite alot different. The slow kingside build up with h4 that pwns in normal dragon sometimes is prone to counter strikes in the centre like d5 as goldrush said. The main point of the accelerated dragon is to play d5 immediately without d6. Of course the accelerated can sometimes transpose into the dragon. The general idea for any Maroczy bind is to keep black passive and use our spatial advantage. Yeh, it's pretty boring i guess but it's easier to play as white =/
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 11 2009 20:32 GMT
#177
I like boring games. Bring it on!
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CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
December 11 2009 22:13 GMT
#178
5. Be3
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 07:31:58
December 11 2009 23:22 GMT
#179
Yeah, the Yugoslav type formation will not work here. The accelerated dragon he is entering can actually come from a line in the english (1.c4 c5 2.e4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nc6 6. Be3).

My thoughts+ Show Spoiler +
I play a lot of games from this position (otherwise you end up in a king's indian, and why would you want to let them use their heavy home prep?). 5.c4 is THE move of choice in this position. Otherwise, black can equalise fairly comfortably after normal developing moves and a quick d5, even if it comes as a sacrifice (black's positions holds A LOT potential engergy).

The real question for us, is, do we want do meet Nc6 with Be3, or a knight retreat (c2 would be standard, to eventually come to e3 later in the game to attack the d5 square). This may seem slow, but it works, given the space advantage white has (and that we can play for b4 and f4 as well).
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
December 12 2009 01:52 GMT
#180
5. c4. Most fun move in my opinion against the accelerated Dragon.
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