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inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
other things you can do is come out of the woods and throw a wall between their team, splitting apart their team and netting yours 2 ez mode kills. if you aren't the carry(which you almost never will, i only did it once but dam was i fucking strong) you will most likely go something like 3-0-15 3-2-11 whatever. you dont get many kills. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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atombombforpeace
United States408 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I've been demolished several times now by teams sporting one ridiculous carry hero (Twitch/Trynd/Yi) and a crapton of support (once I ran against a team using Trynd/Taric/Soraka/Kayle) and I can't really figure out how you're supposed to play against that. I feel like Taric/Soraka are so strong early-game (and they keep up the ppl they're with alive pretty well) that it's almost impossible to stop <insert carry> from farming, and once farmed it becomes impossible to actually kill <insert carry> because of all the damn stuff around it. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:20 Southlight wrote: Well she's a support hero, support heroes (and tanks) are almost always helpless to the fate of the matchmaking system ;p Unless you classify all casters as support, this is pretty false.  Anivia is as close to a mage carry as LoL has. Two AoE spells that synergizes well with a double damage nuke.On December 08 2009 02:45 Southlight wrote: So I've a general match-up question. I've been demolished several times now by teams sporting one ridiculous carry hero (Twitch/Trynd/Yi) and a crapton of support (once I ran against a team using Trynd/Taric/Soraka/Kayle) and I can't really figure out how you're supposed to play against that. I feel like Taric/Soraka are so strong early-game (and they keep up the ppl they're with alive pretty well) that it's almost impossible to stop Taric Soraka combo has been popping a lot this patch thanks to the buff on Soraka's heal (instant heal instead of over time). Carries can be stop, but your statement is so generic, I don't know how to provide you with a counter. However, with Taric Soraka, someone on your team (preferably your DPS) should invest an Executioner's Calling. Reducing their healing potential will make them less effective in team fights. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
It *is* a generic question, I prefaced it as much ^^ Carries can be stopped; how do you stop them when their entire team is protecting them, though? For example with the Taric/Soraka/Kayle team what happened was that the Soraka lane destroyed our team's lane - it's nearly impossible to stop Soraka and a good offensive lane partner, I think? Or is there some sort of combination that works well against Soraka and thus merits a swap. Taric and, for instance, Kayle are annoying as balls because of double-heal. Usually you see the carry lane with Soraka, but you can swap things around - their solo mid is just cherry on top, unless the carry goes solo mid. What ends up happening is that you fight this carry that's being healed and supported whole game, making him ridiculously difficult to gank, especially if he's trynd (15second cd flash + undying ult) or Yi (anti-snare ult -> run), and in a team fight just when you think you've got them down, Kayle's ult pops up and you have to endure another few seconds of being bashed by the carry. It's the worst with Trynd because against a decently-coordinated team I see Trynd fight Trynd shielded Trynd ult Trynd healed Trynd ace. But I've seen it done with Twitch/Twisted Fate, among others. And I'm sitting there absolutely flabbergasted as to what I'm supposed to do against it. You can, of course, replace Taric with anything else, I just brought it up as a strong laning character (Janna, etc. are good examples of what I see instead). | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 08 2009 04:27 Southlight wrote: I dunno, unless she has a ridiculous start I tend to see her act more as a snare-bot/wall-bot with a potential stun (if aimed well) and a decent-damage nuke, but nothing like Annie/Veigar/Ryze. It *is* a generic question, I prefaced it as much ^^ Carries can be stopped; how do you stop them when their entire team is protecting them, though? For example with the Taric/Soraka/Kayle team what happened was that the Soraka lane destroyed our team's lane - it's nearly impossible to stop Soraka and a good offensive lane partner, I think? Or is there some sort of combination that works well against Soraka and thus merits a swap. Taric and, for instance, Kayle are annoying as balls because of double-heal. Usually you see the carry lane with Soraka, but you can swap things around - their solo mid is just cherry on top, unless the carry goes solo mid. What ends up happening is that you fight this carry that's being healed and supported whole game, making him ridiculously difficult to gank, especially if he's trynd (15second cd flash + undying ult) or Yi (anti-snare ult -> run), and in a team fight just when you think you've got them down, Kayle's ult pops up and you have to endure another few seconds of being bashed by the carry. It's the worst with Trynd because against a decently-coordinated team I see Trynd fight Trynd shielded Trynd ult Trynd healed Trynd ace. But I've seen it done with Twitch/Twisted Fate, among others. And I'm sitting there absolutely flabbergasted as to what I'm supposed to do against it. You can, of course, replace Taric with anything else, I just brought it up as a strong laning character (Janna, etc. are good examples of what I see instead). We've been having this problem too and basically it comes down to a well-timed ice blast or stun from someone so I can rupture-scream-feast him while he's silenced early on. If he gets too big it's ridiculous, and sometimes you'll see someone with a full rune book crit for like 400 at level 3 with trynd. But yeah, well-timed stun-silence-kill combos do it. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Anyone have any idea what could be causing this? T_T; | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
I hate teemo/ashe and gang/ashe lanes though..those are just so annoying. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
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geegee1
United States618 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Damage is how much extra damage the crit does. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
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Jawa~
United States291 Posts
Plus, her ult + walls are incredibly useful in team battles, even with the nerf. The most annoying lane for me is a good Blitz + anybody. | ||
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Jawa~
United States291 Posts
On December 08 2009 15:05 pokeyAA wrote: I think the most annoying lane has a Twisted Fate in it + whoever Fate is not hard to lane against IMO - just dodge cards and run away from gold-card fate. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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