EPTStrikeforce: Fedor vs Rogers - November 7th - Page 4
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Dr.Lettuce
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ColdLava
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Just yelled at Fedor that I liked his sweater. He didn't understand until I grabbed it and gave the thumbs up. 12:10 PM Nov 4th from Twittelator - Jason Miller | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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And what is the best way to watch it spoiler free ? I probably cant watch it live but i want to watch it without knowing anything at all if possible | ||
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ColdLava
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unknown.sam
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On November 07 2009 17:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote: when is this fight CET ? And what is the best way to watch it spoiler free ? I probably cant watch it live but i want to watch it without knowing anything at all if possible Eeh best way to watch it spoiler free? What do you mean with this? Do you mean if you go to mma-core you are afraid related vids will be like "Fedor win speech" then yes you got a point. However this OP will be updated on the first page with video links so no worries. Also you can torrent this and not even be ashamed since it aired on free tv. | ||
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Powerpill
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"Chael Sonnen: Two fatties swinging like bums. Yawn, stretch, back to sleep." lol.. | ||
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niteReloaded
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Magic84
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On November 07 2009 20:24 niteReloaded wrote: Ok so for us CETers, it's actually November 8th 3AM, yes? If it helps, it's going to begin exactly in 13 hours 30 minutes, the source is the countdown on the streaming site. It's 3am CET. | ||
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
On November 07 2009 18:27 Powerpill wrote: Was reading pro picks at sherdog "Chael Sonnen: Two fatties swinging like bums. Yawn, stretch, back to sleep." lol.. lol.. i read that too. Made me want to see Fedor break his arm. What an idiot. | ||
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ColdLava
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oneill
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
Apparently Cung Le is back on december 19th. Hmmm, Cung Le vs Hendo? | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On November 07 2009 23:38 Dr.Lettuce wrote: lol of course Chael was joking. Apparently Cung Le is back on december 19th. Hmmm, Cung Le vs Hendo? wow SF's card is pretty damn good it'll be a miracle if Mousasi vs Sokoudjou passes the first round though. don't think Fedor vs Rogers will pass R1 also. also, Cung Le vs Hendo would be sick. would finally get to see how Cung Le stacks up against top 5 MW material | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On November 07 2009 21:29 Magic84 wrote: If it helps, it's going to begin exactly in 13 hours 30 minutes, the source is the countdown on the streaming site. It's 3am CET. could u give a link plz ? =) | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
In return i'm posting some hype pictures (I apologize if already posted) ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y55ILMm6kSI/RiK5h11JWHI/AAAAAAAAAoE/wGQFGHL4wIs/s400/fedor+dominance.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/21/633496531468790872-mother-nature.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4477/fedormotivationalox2.jpg) | ||
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BlackJack
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SK.Testie
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On November 07 2009 23:38 Dr.Lettuce wrote: lol of course Chael was joking. Apparently Cung Le is back on december 19th. Hmmm, Cung Le vs Hendo? Goddamn I can't wait for Cung Le. I love watching his fights, but they are so rare these days. I wish he would drop all his other shit and focus on MMA. | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
Risk and reward We are on the eve of a major night in the history of the Strikeforce promotion. On Saturday evening they will present arguably the biggest free card in the history of the sport live to millions of people via CBS in the United States. It sounds like a dream scenario, but at the same time it should not be forgotten that there are risks as well as rewards for the promotion on a night like this. The first concern is regarding the ratings. If Strikeforce wishes for their appearance on CBS to be more than a one off then they have to draw the kind of numbers that will satisfy the network bosses. It is not known what the ‘magic number’ is, but it is safe to assume that anything less than the average of 2.5 million viewers who tuned in for the lowest rated of the three Elite XC shows from last year would be a disastrous result and could well ensure that future events will only feature on Showtime, which has a far smaller overall audience. Is that likely to happen? On paper it shouldn’t. The second EliteXC featured neither of it’s two top ’stars’ at that stage (Kimbo Slice & Gina Carano), instead relying on a headline bout between Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith. Strikeforce clearly have a superior card lined up, particularly for the main event where they will showcase the man many claim to be the worlds best mixed martial artist – Fedor Emelianenko. Other respected fighters will face solid match-ups in the main card including Jake Shields, Jason Mayhem Miller, Gegard Mousasi and Fabricio Werdum. A stumbling block may be Fedor himself, despite his impressive credentials. As Kimbo Slice has proved, both in EliteXC, and more recently in The Ultimate Fighter reality show, you don’t always have to be a great fighter to gain the attention of the casual viewer. It will be interesting to see if the mainstream U.S audience finds Fedor’s quiet, unassuming demeanor and humble lifestyle (which was clearly displayed in the ‘Fight Camp 360‘ documentary which aired on CBS this week) compelling, or a turn-off. The second major risk for the promotion is that Fedor could lose. TV Ads Have Focused Heavily On Fedor & Rogers As was seen with the collapse of EliteXC after Kimbo Slice lost live on CBS, it is not wise to build a successful promotion based on one fighter. Strikeforce do have a number of quality fighters on their books, though there is still significant work still to be done to deepen their talent pool. For now they have put together a main card for the event that is certainly credible and compelling, if a little lopsided in terms of the competitiveness of some bouts Much of the burden of responsibility then falls on CBS’s shoulders to promote the fight correctly. Have they learned their lessons from their past experiences of broadcasting MMA? On the evidence of the promotional push ahead of this fight, perhaps not entirely. It is clear that both Strikeforce and CBS have invested a lot in Fedor however, both literally and figuratively. On the positive side, Fedor’s opponent Brett Rogers has received a significant amount of exposure in the ad campaign that has led up to tomorrow nights event. His ‘rags to riches’ back story is engaging and does give the promotion something to build on should he pull off an unexpected win. That being said it would unquestionably be a blow if Fedor, who has been built up to almost mythical proportions as the ‘baddest man on the planet,’ is defeated by Brett Rogers, who has been painted as ‘the guy who used to work at Sams Club’. Without the mystique that surrounds Fedor thanks to his long unbeaten run, it may prove challenging to create a compelling narrative for the fighter that will continue to hold the average viewers interest for future events that he features in. Perhaps the most noticeable flaw in CBS’s promotion of the event however has been the lack of hype surrounding the other fighters who are featuring on the card. Despite having a middleweight title match-up between Jason ‘Mayhem’ Miller, who undoubtedly has a significant fan-base due to his role on MTV’s ‘Bully Beatdown’, and former EliteXC champion Jake Shields serving as the co-main event, they have been almost completely overlooked in the promotional campaign. Gegard Mousasi is another fighter who has the potential to be a major draw for the promotion with his impressive 13 fight winning streak and impressive K.O in his last outing, but yet he too will appear on the show with little or no fanfare. If CBS wishes to successfully promote Strikeforce in the longer term then this strategy of putting all their eggs in the one basket could prove to be a risky strategy. Of course on the flip-side, Strikeforce have reason to be excited by the potential rewards that this event could bring. Telling people that he is the best MMA fighter is one thing, but actually seeing it for yourself is another. If Fedor wins, as he is widely expected to do, then they will have established their marquee fighter as a force to be reckoned with in front of millions of viewers. With the recent news that Alistair Overeem is ready to defend his title against Fedor, Strikeforce will also have a highly anticipated blockbuster fight ready and waiting for the early months of next year. Thanks to a solid main card featuring a number of talented MMA fighters, there is also the hope that we will see an entertaining night of fights that will promote the sport in a positive way. Despite the lack of publicity surrounding the other fighters, a stand-out performance in any of the other main card fights would be beneficial. If Mousasi for example pulls of a performance similar to his one minute destruction of Renato Sobral in his Strikeforce debut, then that will give them another potential star to develop for future events. Also, despite the earlier criticisms, there is still every chance that the event will perform well in the television ratings. Though it is unlikely that they will match those of Kimbo Slice’s debut fight for EliteXC on CBS which peaked at 6.5 million (averageing 4.85million throughout the show), anywhere close to that would be a major result for the promotion, and would all but guarantee more events being aired on the station in the future. The risks and rewards attached to the event undoubtedly make it even more compelling viewing. Regardless of the outcome, on Saturday night we will be witness to another significant moment in the young history of this sport. Source: http://www.fightofthenight.com/featured/the-risks-and-rewards-for-strikeforce-on-saturday-night/ Good article, if a little patronising. Highlights some points I hadn't thought of. If Fedor loses, there cash cow is gone. M-1 probably walks as well. Does Brett become the worlds No.1? Speculations please people. Pros Predictions: Fedor Emelianenko, the man most agree is the world’s best heavyweight, returns to action Saturday in Hoffman Estates, Ill., against the less experienced but still dangerous Brett Rogers. The duel is the main event of Strikeforce/M-1 Global’s debut on CBS. Fedor is a fierce striker and an even deadlier submission player. He’s a resounding favorite at the sportsbooks and he should be. While Rogers is not as big an underdog as James “Buster” Douglas was on Feb. 11, 1990, when he shocked the world with his dramatic 10th-round knockout of then-invincible Mike Tyson, a Rogers win would send similar shockwaves throughout the MMA world nevertheless. So who will win? Sherdog.com caught up with dozens of professional fighters and trainers from the MMA community to gauge their opinions. Jeff Monson: Fedor by submission early. Pete Sell: Fedor tries to set up Rogers for a big shot but then slips. Brett jumps on the opportunity and KO’s him with his golden luck (laughs). Dewey Cooper: Wow, this is an interesting fight for two reasons. A relatively unknown, untested, super aggressive big puncher that seems fearless and relentless for victories by knockout. Secondly, as close to perfection as a fighter can be in the unpredictable world of MMA, the incredible Fedor. Who, by the way, is another one-punch knockout artist. Will this be the fight (where) Fedor is overconfident and takes this new heavyweight threat lightly? We all know it will happen sooner or later if Fedor continues to fight; he will at some point be defeated. But I don't think it will be this fight. Though I would love to see Rogers shock the world, I don't think it will happen. Fedor has too many ways he can win this fight. He can win by striking, takedowns with ground-and-pound or his deadly submissions, chokes, etc. Rogers has only one way he can win this fight -- by striking, most likely punches. Also, Rogers seems to be too aggressive at times, which can make him an easy target to work Fedor's takedown skills. So Fedor by first- or second-round KO or submission. Not to mention the championship experience Fedor has. That is always an advantage in these high-profile fights. Kevin Burns: Fedor won’t be challenged by Rogers, and he’ll determine how long he wants the fight to last. He could probably finish him in under a minute if he chose to. Jaime Fletcher: I like Brett Rogers, but I think Fedor is too much all around. I pick Fedor early by KO or submission. He always takes the fight where he can win it. Rogers’ ground (game) is not on the world-class level yet. You need that when you fight the greatest MMA heavyweight of all time. Right now that’s what Fedor is. Mac Danzig: In the fights I’ve seen of Rogers, he’s seemed pretty sloppy, but that doesn’t mean he can’t win. Fedor isn’t invincible and if Rogers hits the chin, he has the power to finish. That being said, I think Fedor is more complete and has the experience to take the fight where he needs to. He also has a more resilient chin than anyone Rogers has faced thus far, so I’m going with Fedor unless he slips on a banana peel. I’d like to see the underdog win, but I don’t think many heavyweights at Brett Rogers’ level have the ability to beat Fedor. Ricardo Liborio: Fedor by submission (in the) second round. Chael Sonnen: Two fatties swinging like bums. Yawn, stretch, back to sleep. Ron Frazier: No real reason for this pick. Maybe it’s just time for a new king? I love Fedor’s game, but I am picking the young big gun Brett Rogers by KO. Scott Bieri: As much as I like parity in this sport, this one seems pretty straightforward. Rogers is a threat to any heavyweight but seems to be a one-trick pony at this point in his career. If Fedor can figure out a prime Cro Cop, Rogers’ heavy hands shouldn’t be a problem. Micah Miller: Fedor (wins). Rogers has size and a puncher’s chance, but he’s in over his head. Roland Sarria: Fedor will win by a Russian polar bear hammer punch to the ear in the first round. Travis Lutter: Got to go with Fedor. He is due to lose, but I am not betting against him. Gabe Ruediger: You’re kidding, right? It’s a fight and anything can happen, but short of the "Any Given Sunday" factor, this fight is all Fedor. On the ground and standing, it’s his world and Brett is just sniffing the air. Fedor by KO or submission in the first round. Stephane Vigneault: Fedor is still the man. How can you beat a robot? Seriously, it's a dangerous fight, but Fedor is Fedor. Fedor by TKO in less than five minutes. Brad Pickett: Fedor, 150 percent. I'll eat some dog s--t if I’m wrong. Soa Palelei: (To Pickett) Big call to eat dog s--t. Dangerous fight for Fedor. I’m still backing Fedor, but he needs to either keep his hands up or take Rogers to the ground. James Zikic: Fedor, first-round TKO. No doubt! Ryan White: This is going to be a slugfest, but I think Fedor will win by KO. Billy MacDonald: Fedor wins easy (via) KO in round one. Next up: Bigfoot Silva or Overeem. Robin Black: I am leery to say this -- I have honestly received e-mail death threats for saying stuff like this -- but I am one of those jerks that thinks the whole Fedor myth has been blown WAY out of proportion. He's just a man. He's not unbeatable. But he will beat Brett Rogers handily and early. Fedor isn't the indestructible demigod that obsessive fans have made him out to be, but he is too much for Brett Rogers. Fedor in the first. Thomas Denny: I like the black man in this fight. I think he will let his blackness out, and it will reign supreme. Huge upset: Brett Rogers TKO in round one. Too big, too strong, too hungry! Ben Saunders: I am gonna go with Mr. Rogers on this one. I think he has skill and power to back it up. Only thing I have yet to see is his takedown defense, clinch work and ground skills. But if he can keep this fight standing, I believe he has the chance to knock Fedor out. Kit Cope: Not that I don't think Rogers is legit, but I see Fedor ending this one in standard Fedor fashion. Rogers, however, poses the "puncher's chance" threat and he's a quick starter, so I predict Fedor moves with him a little, possibly leading to takedown and submission. Tom Gavrilos: Fedor by any way he feels like ending it. This will not make it to decision. This fight is a serious mismatch. Jamie Varner: Fedor by domination! Stav Economou: Fedor by any way he wishes in the first round. Ray Elbe: Ever been to Russia? The weather is freezing, the girls are expensive and the Vodka is cheap. That's what we call a nation with a fighting tradition. Fedor by Rogers dropping the soap, some time in the second round. Bill Mesi: Fedor is hands down my favorite fighter; I have him tattooed on my thigh. The one thing I hate about him still fighting is the fact that no matter who he fights, his critics are always quick to say that Fedor fights nobodies and this fight is no different. If Fedor beats Brett, it will be just another no-name heavyweight that he’s beaten. On the other hand, if Rogers wins, Fedor will look bad and the rag on the emperor train will begin. If I had my way, Fedor should’ve retired on the top when he beat (Arlovski). I think Rogers possesses the patience, strength and shot power to hurt Fedor, so I’m really on the fence with this one. Watching Fedor’s last fight, I think a huge hole was uncovered: leg kicks and straight shots stump the champ. I’m going with Fedor on this one, but if Brett wins, I’ll be crushed. And mark my words: Win or lose, the Fedor haters will cease to realize he’s the most complete fighter light to heavy, hands down. Mike Ciesnolevicz: I'm really pumped because I’m gonna be cageside at this fight. I think Fedor wins this fight on skill and experience, probably by an armbar or rear choke. Rogers has an outside chance at landing a big shot like Fujita nearly did to Fedor, but it's not likely. Fedor is hard to bet against by looking at his track record. Mike Dolce: How do you pick against Fedor? Simple ... you don't! I think Brett Rogers is a big, strong, hard-hitting mofo, but Fedor is all that AND a bag of chips. Fedor via submission in round one. Elvis Sinosic: The logical choice is to pick Fedor. He has had more fights, faced more higher quality opponents and has had numerous title fights and defenses. Fedor is very well-rounded: He can strike, takedown and grapple and all at a high level. He has the ability to find his opponent’s weakness and exploit it. Brett Rogers is a very dangerous opponent. He has heavy hands and finishes his opponents. The big problem is that we have not seen all of Rogers’ game. A lot of what he has to offer is unknown or speculation. This makes him dangerous. I predict Fedor will take the fight, most likely set up his takedowns with strikes and then work his ground-and-pound, looking for a TKO or submission. Fedor needs to be careful, though, as Brett has the ability to turn the match around with a single blow. If Fedor is careless or underestimates him, this could end badly for him. Rogers is coming in prepared and fired up. Fedor is the better fighter and should take this match. Fedor wins this. Pros who picked Fedor: 27 Pros who picked Rogers: 4 Pros who couldn’t decide: 1 Source : Shitdog.com, the ONLY reason I ever vist sherdog is for prospicks and fight rec. Other than that I hate the site with a passion. Surprised rogers even got 4 votes, although most seemed to be in jest. DW On Hendo Dan Henderson, a former PRIDE title-holder and current middleweight contender, has likely signed with Strikeforce, UFC President Dana White recently told Yahoo Sports. According to the report, a source close to the situation confirmed Henderson had signed with Strikeforce and White echoed the news, though Strikeforce’s Scott Coker denied a deal is done. “I guarantee you 1,000 percent that Dan Henderson is signed by Strikeforce,” said White. “Dan and I have been friends and we will continue to be friends, but it just didn’t work out and he went to Strikeforce.” Coker says Henderson’s management informed him that he had declined the UFC’s offer and was ready to work on a deal with Strikeforce, but Coker but negotiations on hold temporarily due to his schedule for this weekend’s Strikeforce Challengers 4 and “Fedor vs. Rogers” events. http://mmafrenzy.com/12080/dana-white-i-guarantee-you-1000-percent-that-dan-henderson-is-signed-by-strikeforce/ MMAfrenzy has been pretty accurate in the past, and this also makes sense. I would believe this to be legit. Strikeforce is actually getting a sizeable roster. Good for them. Other shit I've found out. Jacare probably takes on King Mo next strikeforce. Interesting back to basics match up. Striker vs Grappler. Cung Le returns on the same card, rumored to be up against Scott Smith, I don't see why that would happen. Nor do I think smith stands a chanc/deserves it. Although strikeforce really need to sort their belts out to be honest. Cro-cop thinking of a return vs Rothwell. Apparently he wants to honour his contract and finish it. Not sure how I feel about that. | ||
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