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win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
November 05 2009 11:32 GMT
#41
^
yah

Which is why I am a proud, self-proclaimed Fedor nuthugger.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If Rogers beats Fedor, then ... nvm, Magic-phil will rip my arm off...
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4068 Posts
November 05 2009 11:35 GMT
#42
you guys make me wanna fall in love with Fedor's performance. I'm gonna check out some of his fights, any advices what to start with?
Drone is a way of living
Dr.Lettuce
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United Kingdom663 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-05 11:42:01
November 05 2009 11:39 GMT
#43
Fedor vs Fujita
Fedor vs Randleman
Fedor vs Heath Herring
Fedor vs Gary Goodridge
Fedor vs Nog 1/2

Infact just go torrent the whole pack, smoke a few spliffs and sit back
I think I've actually enjoyed almost every single Fedor fight, the guy is out of this world.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
November 05 2009 11:57 GMT
#44
On November 05 2009 20:35 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
you guys make me wanna fall in love with Fedor's performance. I'm gonna check out some of his fights, any advices what to start with?

Start with a good HL


and then download this torrent - All.Fedor.fights.to.date.torrent

Dr.Lettuce got the best fights right.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
November 05 2009 12:19 GMT
#45
had it been anyone else in the same situation as the fujita/randleman fight it would've been a loss for sure. his recovery in those fights is just O_O
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Dr.Lettuce
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United Kingdom663 Posts
November 05 2009 12:27 GMT
#46
Not even the recovery. Look at the slam, Fedor during the slam. Being in fucking mid-air. Keeps his calm. Doesn't tense his body - which is the natural reaction and incredibly hard not to do, this lessons the actual damage impact recieved off the slam. And Tucks his chin down to avoid being spiked on to his actual head.

No one else on the fucking planet would be able to keep that calm, that composed and proceed to reverse an NCAA Champion off you and slap a kimura on 30 seconds later. Fedor is just unreal.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
November 05 2009 12:31 GMT
#47
yeah the randleman fight is amazing. the slow-motion replay at the end shows both of them being mid-air for a couple seconds. incredible
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
November 05 2009 13:48 GMT
#48
On November 05 2009 21:27 Dr.Lettuce wrote:
Not even the recovery. Look at the slam, Fedor during the slam. Being in fucking mid-air. Keeps his calm. Doesn't tense his body - which is the natural reaction and incredibly hard not to do, this lessons the actual damage impact recieved off the slam. And Tucks his chin down to avoid being spiked on to his actual head.

No one else on the fucking planet would be able to keep that calm, that composed and proceed to reverse an NCAA Champion off you and slap a kimura on 30 seconds later. Fedor is just unreal.


Fedor was prob like...
"Ok, I got slammed in the head. Meh, reverse then armbar. Executing in 1...2...3... wham!"
Randleman was prob like...
"Yah, I finally got this fool. I just hope his neck aint broken....WHAT THE FUCK! TAP TAP!"
statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
November 05 2009 16:35 GMT
#49
On November 05 2009 15:11 omgbnetsux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2009 12:44 statix wrote:
On November 05 2009 12:39 omgbnetsux wrote:
Lots of mismatches here. I actually think Rogers - Fedor is the closest one. Still though:
Fedor > Rogers - He's gonna get armbar'd
Shields > Miller
Mousasi > Sokou
Werdum > Silva


how is shields v miller a mismatch?

Just my take. I'm a bit delirious from work, but I think Shields is just on another level right now. Miller's a tough son of a bitch, but his only chance in my book is a decision if Shields gases.


I'd be tempted to agree with you but his Shields' lat two wins didn't really impress me all that much. I've yet to see a Shields fight that wow'ed me. Plus, for some reason I just can't stand the guy. When Joe Riggs said that Shields is just a nerd who learned how to grapple it actually seemed pretty accurate.

Miller has also never been submitted(IIRC). Not by GSP, not by Jacare, and he actually triangled Kang. I just can't see Shields ,of all people, succeeding where those three phenoms have failed.

On November 05 2009 15:32 Dr.Lettuce wrote:
Well mayhem's started his porn career. Hahaha. Good luck to him, crazy son of a bitch but always entertaining.

Tempted to put a wager down on bigfoot silva, but I don't think the odds warrant it enough.

You're thinking of War Machine.
SCC-Caliban
Dr.Lettuce
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United Kingdom663 Posts
November 05 2009 17:11 GMT
#50
Oh yeah, my bad
suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
November 05 2009 17:54 GMT
#51
How anyone can not like Fedor as a person and as a fighter is beyond me. The dude is just unreal in the ring and is about as down to earth as a fighter can get. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the ones that think they are all that and they definitely have their place in MMA, but having the (in my opinion) #1 P4P fighter in the world as this sort of soft spoken pudgy Russian who doesn't care about being famous and a big star in the States, is very refreshing. He got a lot of hate for not signing with the UFC considering it was reported to be an obscene amount of money and the UFC caved on some major points. However, we don't really know what was offered, and we also know the UFC offended Fedor multiple times before. The whole "Fedor being scared" thing was retarded.

That being said, he takes far more risk fighting guys like Rogers. He is a very dangerous fighter with plenty of unknowns. There is no upside for Fedor other than some US face time if he wins. If he loses that face time means nothing. Fedor wins this fight 95% of the time in my opinion, but that 5% loss is much more devastating to his career compared to the boost he will get for a win. If he doesn't come in and obliterate Rogers, people will call him overrated and all the casuals who expected to see a Mike Tyson esque figure will be disappointed. If he wins in dominant fashion he will gain some casual fan base I'm sure, but it has no upside for the hardcore base because we look at Rogers as a can in comparison to Fedor. Fedor fights who is put in front of him. I have 100% confidence that Fedor would fight anyone in the UFC if it was arranged.

Onto the card itself

Fedor v Rogers

I expect Rogers to come out as usual, swinging for the fences. How Fedor will react to this only he knows. Fedor is one of the rare fighter that really uses his brain and strategizes in the ring. Sure he goes in with a plan that his coaches helped formulate, but when he gets in the ring he knows how and when to adjust and his transitioning is beyond anyone in MMA. If Fedor sees gaps in the bull rush he'll more than likely stand in and look to capitalize. Personally, I would sidestep it a lot and avoid it for a bit just to take the risk out. Either strategy has the same risk in getting caught, but I think that Fedor's avoidance would be more than effective against a bull rush from Rogers in my opinion.

The only game we have seen Rogers play is this heavy striker who isn't very technical. Everything else is pretty much an unknown. This can be very dangerous as you could attempt something and find out Rogers is very proficient in that area, and find yourself in a precarious situation. However when it comes to Fedor, I don't see Rogers being on the same level in any area except for punching power and I guarantee Fedor matches if not exceeds Rogers in the area. The real question is his takedown and sub game, and it's not a stretch to say Fedor is leagues above him.

Will Fedor get caught? It's possible. I imagine Fedor will meet the rush with some looping hooks and look for a chance to drag Rogers to the mat if he doesn't shake him with his punches, or feels uncomfortable with Rogers stand up. This fight will probably not go past the first round unless Rogers decides to completely change his game and fight at a slower pace and look to use timing more than aggression. Rogers is a recipe Fedor has excelled against for many years, big aggressive strikers. All of them had the punchers chance, yet all of them fell to the Russian Juggernaut. I doubt this will be any different.

Fedor by KIMURA?! - 3:00 Rd1

As for the question: "What type of fighter can beat Fedor?" I hate to admit it, but Brock Lesnar is almost the perfect fighter to be that guy. He nullifies a lot of areas Fedor excels in. I still don't think Brock has the sub defense to beat Fedor, especially not in a five round fight. I couldn't see Brock finish Fedor at any point. Sure he punches hard, even knocked out Captain America, but knocking out Fedor is another level. Fedor definitely has the capabilities on his feet to stop Brock standing (granted I highly doubt the fight stays on the feet long enough to find out). However his ground game (especially his Sambo) will be the key difference. Joint locks, especially leglocks (as Mir showed) are especially dangerous to wrestlers who try to unload on their downed opponents. The size difference would be the key issue in the fight, Brock can smother anyone, even big heavyweights. Fedor is on the smaller scale obviously. That fight is as close as even as anyone can get to Fedor in my opinion.

The other analysis' will be much shorter I promise....


Shields v Miller

I see this being a lot like Miller v Jacare, superior wrestler/grappler vs proficient grappler. I don't see Shields subbing Miller however. This gives Miller the chance to make up a lot of points that he'll surely be behind in the later rounds. If Shields conditioning becomes an issue in the 3rd round, I can definitely see a Miller victory in the later rounds. I think Miller has the edge in stand up and against a gassed Shields that edge could win him the fight. However that's all dependent on whether Shields gasses and doesn't in the process wear Miller down just as much. I predict...

Shields by UD

Mousasi v Sokoudjou

The first few minutes of this fight will be really exciting, that's until Sokou's gas tank empties out and he's left panting and then laying face down on the mat. Mousasi will weather the early storm and return fire and probably end it in a much similar fashion as he did to Babalu.

Mousasi by GnP stoppage: Late RD1

Werdum v Silva

I think Werdum will actually take this fight. Granted his wrestling is sub par, Silva's takedown defense is just as poor. I think if the fight hits the ground once in Werdum's favor it'll be over. However, Silva will win if this fight stays on the feet. If Silva gets top position, I'm not so sure. I think Werdum has the advantage anywhere on the ground and expect Silva to do what he can to stay off the mat.

Werdum by Sub: RD 2
suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
November 05 2009 18:17 GMT
#52
the above is a post from my blog, just thought i'd throw it here as well :D
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
November 05 2009 18:50 GMT
#53
nice analysis, suresh0t
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Dataleif
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden252 Posts
November 05 2009 23:51 GMT
#54
On November 05 2009 19:39 Dr.Lettuce wrote:
What's scary is that he'll fight specialists and beat them at their own game. People thought he was getting beaten by Arlovski but, at the end of the day, the way he beat Andrei (glass chin or not) is impressive. Instead of taking Andrei down and working the groundnpound, he knocked out the boxer standing up.

He stopped Tim Sylvia on the feet, as well.


While this is true it is important to note that for someone who is, say a striker, you take away very much of his stand-up ability by the fact that he knows that if it goes to the ground, he is screwed. If you were to place Mirco or Schilt vs Fedor in a K-1 fight for instance, it would be a different game. Im not trying to take anything away from fedor though, still very impressive.
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
November 06 2009 00:52 GMT
#55
Pros Pick 27-4 for + Show Spoiler +
Fedor duh

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/pros-pick-fedor-vs-rogers-20724
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
November 06 2009 09:05 GMT
#56
Anyways, anyone got streams for this? I used to use mmhacks . com, but they havent worked for the past few events for me... (unless I "donate" via paypal)
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
November 06 2009 10:00 GMT
#57
It will be aired on free TV so i reckon streams will be easy this time
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
November 07 2009 02:15 GMT
#58
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win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
November 07 2009 02:23 GMT
#59
^look at the midget in the last pic... Poor guy. He doesn't look too happy XD
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
November 07 2009 07:53 GMT
#60
weellll Keep in mind that due to the camera angle, it also looks like Fedor is as tall as Brett Rogers even though there's a 5 inch height difference.
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