The Last Emperor returns to face underdog Brett Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMx7fVahe_c
In all honesty, I expect this to be a short night. Brett Rogers beat an Andrei Arlovski who looked like he gave up as soon as he got punched once, and Fedor should demolish Rogers. Gegard is going to walk through Sokoudjou pretty easily as well, and I expect Werdum to get the upperhand over Antonio Silva. Jake Shields vs Jason Miller might be a bit interesting, as it will be great grappling match, but I expect Shields to dominate there too...
Main Card:
Preliminaries:
Jeff Curran vs Dustin Neace Mark Miller vs Deray Davis Christian Uflacker vs Jonotas Novaes John Kolosci vs Shamar Bailey Louis Taylor vs Nate Moore Marloes Coenen vs Roxanne Modafferi
I'll be straight up, people made a lot bigger of a deal over the way Brett Rogers beat Andrei Arlovski than what should have been made. Arlovski didn't even look like he was ready to fight, he got swarmed, dropped his hands, made no effort to clinch or avoid the punches, and just got dropped in 20 seconds but even then he wasn't really *knocked out* but more or less looked like he just gave up.
Previous to this his two biggest wins were Jon Murphy, a guy who got beat by Chase Gormley and Houston Alexander, and James Thompson (lol.. this guy got beat by Kimbo Slice). So if Fedor loses to this guy, I'm seriously going to quit posting forever, as Fedor should be able to take this to the ground if he really wants, he should even be able to stand up because Fedor's hand speed surpasses everyone in the heavyweight division, and Brett Rogers does have a bit of power but if he wants to brawl with Fedor he's going to get countered to death. Brett Rogers is good, but he's not "Fedor" good, and in my opinion if you rematch Rogers and Arlovski, Arlovski would kill Rogers.
This card seems to me to be a card that basically showcases Strikeforce's top talent, as there are CLEAR underdogs and favourites in this card. Mousasi vs Sokoudjou? Shields vs Miller? I think Antonio Silva is a bit of a dark horse but I do expect Werdum to unleash his fury of hell on Silva, and end the fight via KO.
Nevertheless, this is a high profile card and it's free on TV so everyone should go out and watch this :O It will still be a fun night and all in all, competition for the UFC
Polls:
Poll: Fedor or Rogers? (Vote): Fedor Emelianenko (Vote): Brett Rogers
Poll: Mousasi or Sokoudjou? (Vote): Gegard Mousasi (Vote): Rameau Sokoudjou
Poll: Shields or Miller? (Vote): Jake Shields (Vote): Jason Miller via Bully Beatdown
Fedor Emelianenko and Brett Rogers take in the Chicago Bears vs. Cleveland Browns NFL game on Sunday, Nov. 1 at Soldier Field in Chicago, Ill. Fedor and Rogers will square off against one another at the Sears Centre Arena in Chicago, Ill., for "Strikeforce/M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Rogers" on Saturday, Nov. 7 (9:00 p.m., Live ET / delayed PT) on CBS.
Seriously though, I have been waiting forever to see Fedor fight again. I am really interested to see how this fight will go - I hope that it is not too one sided and that Rogers can at least put up a little resistance - though really, compared to the guys Fedor has crushed before, he should offer little, if any resistance.
So pumped for this event. 4 really big name fights on here. I definitely think it'll be a short night as well, but oh well, I'm still very excited for it. I don't really suspect that Rogers has any sort of real chance, but I suppose if anyone can beat Fedor it's going to be someone who can get a freak KO or rampaging stoppage. I don't think anyone expects it to get out of the first or second minute.
Oh and Strikeforce signed Marius Zaromskis! Hopefully he'll be fighting on the next card. =)
I honestly think the guy that beats Fedor is a guy who gets him on the ground, and keeps him there, without getting caught in submissions. If you look at a lot of his fights i.e. Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, they were able to take him down and get in a good position. If you take that glimmer of hope that Fedor gives out, I think a guy like Brock Lesnar would have a chance against him because, well, wrestlers generally do well vs guys who are versed in Judo.
I just don't think Brett Rogers will even connect with any of his punches. Yea Andrei Arlovski was doing really well vs Fedor until he lost his brains, but 1.) Andrei Arlovski is very very good at pressuring opponents and has really nice clean punches that are very quick, straight, and he has a very strategic stand up game, and 2.) Rogers isn't an Arlovski. I also think if that fight had kept going (i.e. Arlovski doens't do that stupid fucking flying knee) Fedor would have gotten a lot better as the fight went on and started playing a lot more of a clinch game.
On November 02 2009 18:04 ColdLava wrote: I honestly think the guy that beats Fedor is a guy who gets him on the ground, and keeps him there, without getting caught in submissions. If you look at a lot of his fights i.e. Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, they were able to take him down and get in a good position. If you take that glimmer of hope that Fedor gives out, I think a guy like Brock Lesnar would have a chance against him because, well, wrestlers generally do well vs guys who are versed in Judo.
I just don't think Brett Rogers will even connect with any of his punches. Yea Andrei Arlovski was doing really well vs Fedor until he lost his brains, but 1.) Andrei Arlovski is very very good at pressuring opponents and has really nice clean punches that are very quick, straight, and he has a very strategic stand up game, and 2.) Rogers isn't an Arlovski. I also think if that fight had kept going (i.e. Arlovski doens't do that stupid fucking flying knee) Fedor would have gotten a lot better as the fight went on and started playing a lot more of a clinch game.
Doubt it...
Fedor is mostly likely to lose by knockout imo.
There's no one right now who's strong enough at wrestling and ground and pound, and yet good enough at defending submissions to beat Fedor via takedown and gnp imo, but bigger/stronger fighters including fighters like Brett Rogers have a certain chance to knock him out in stand up.
Obviously he's immune to submissions, so grapplers would also fail against him.
Agreed that Lesnar right now is the biggest challenge for Fedor. The only thing that really worries me about Fedor, is he sometimes likes to give up position on the ground to go for a sub. Against Lesnar, he might not be able to reclaim or manuvere out of a dominant position again. This is what pissed me off so much about Barnett. His strategy against Yvel, was exactly what he needed to do against Fedor.
I'll post a video later of anyone who says Arlovski was beating Fedor in the stand up. This slow-mo video goes over all the punches arlovski threw, showing how only like 1-2 of them actually hit cleanly. You just can't see it unless it's slow mo.
Fedor via sub in the first. Mousasi by what ever the fuck he wants. Shields vs Miller I actually really like, but gotta hand it to my boy shields. Am I the only one who finds it funny that two WW's are fighting for the MW title? (Any news on Hendo jumping ship?)
I used to have Silva as a potential threat to Fedor, technically his attributes give him a reasonably decent chance. I don't see Werdum getting a sub tbh. And see him getting Tko'd late in the second or third.
Brett is still suspect to me. Sure he's got 10 straight wins, and like 9 ko's. But the only win that actually counts is AA. And AA's chin has always been suspect at the best of times. On top of it all, I don't think that win really counts for much either. He ran in and bumrushed AA, who for some stupid reason had his hands low... at HW, pretty much anyone with some boxing has the potential to KO you, if they land clean on the jaw.
Mousasi would be so much better in the UFC, fighting some real competition. There's nothing there for him in strikeforce
Brett just stated that if he touches Fedor's chin he's going to sleep. The only way I see Brett touching his chin is via armbar.
orayt fedor back in action. not my favorite fighter but always interesting to watch.
once again we shall all marvel at the emperor's skill and aura of invincibility. honestly i wanna see the guy lose lol (but i bet he'll win by submission). if rogers is going to have any chance he'll be smart to stay away from fedor's ground game.
shields may just be the best welterweight not fighting in the UFC. i expect his winning streak to continue at the expense of mayhem miller.
mousasi has to be imo among the top LHWs atm and has just been on a tear. sokoudjou has a knack for disappearing in fights and i expect the same to happen in this one. mousasi by submission.
I'm picking Fedor, but god I hope he loses. The guy has the worst nuthuggers in the world, and idk y but I h8 him as a fighter.
That being said Fedor should win by pretty much any way he wants. gl hf Rogers, you will need it.
Gegard Mousasi should destroy soak-a-jew as well. Soak has never impressed me all that much. No doubt he has power in his hands, but he's too green it seems still to be taking on a striker like Mousasi.
I'm taking Shields in the Miller fight, but it's one I'm not feeling 100% on. I just think Shields has slightly better grappling than Miller, which is Jason's strength. I'[m really excited for this fight though it should be really exciting.
And Werdum over Silva all day. I'm not a fan of either fighter but Werdum's BJJ is just something else for a HW.
On November 02 2009 18:04 ColdLava wrote: I honestly think the guy that beats Fedor is a guy who gets him on the ground, and keeps him there, without getting caught in submissions. If you look at a lot of his fights i.e. Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, they were able to take him down and get in a good position. If you take that glimmer of hope that Fedor gives out, I think a guy like Brock Lesnar would have a chance against him because, well, wrestlers generally do well vs guys who are versed in Judo.
I just don't think Brett Rogers will even connect with any of his punches. Yea Andrei Arlovski was doing really well vs Fedor until he lost his brains, but 1.) Andrei Arlovski is very very good at pressuring opponents and has really nice clean punches that are very quick, straight, and he has a very strategic stand up game, and 2.) Rogers isn't an Arlovski. I also think if that fight had kept going (i.e. Arlovski doens't do that stupid fucking flying knee) Fedor would have gotten a lot better as the fight went on and started playing a lot more of a clinch game.
This really is Fedor's fight to lose. I don't see any area where Rogers really has an advantage besides maybe the strength department (and even this is debatable). I have him winning via sub in the second. Hopefully Fedor doesn't pull a Cro Cop and completely refuse to train in a cage. Cutting people off in a cage is a completely different game.
Not unlike Fedor, Mousasi should be able to dominate in any area that the fight wanders into. His striking, bjj, and conditioning have all looked great as of yet. Mousasi by TKO in the second. Probably by gnp.
Shields vs Mayhem is another great fight. Mayhem seems to have the advantage standing and I think that's where the majority of the fight will take place. If Jacare couldn't submit Mayhem I can't see Shields succeeding in that area. I'm going to have to give this one to Mayhem via decision.
On November 04 2009 22:52 win8282 wrote: Fedor will rape Rogers. glhf GG no re
If Fedor loses to Rogers, Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash will all lose to IdrA... 3v1..
shut the fuck up !
What's wrong with what he said? There is a high chance this will be an ez rape. Arlovski was just so much more dangerous with his boxing and straight punches, even though Rogers koed him.
On November 04 2009 23:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote: I have a strange feeling.. Fedor might lose this fight..
Hes the big fav. for sure..
and i <3 Fedor..
so im kinda afraid.. I dont like.. this fight.. if he wins.. its just mandatory if he loses.. well.. u know.. he is still the greatest but..
ah i dunno
Before every Fedor fight i was afraid that he'll lose this time and was like all shaking stressfully, yet it was easy for him most of the time. This is just looks like an easy matchup, but i always thought, that if Fedor is to lose to someone, it's going to be someone really unexpected, so who knows. My biggest worry is that he really got religious over the last ~two years, he's all like peaceful now and all about spiritual talk, and i'm not sure how beneficial it is for a naturally dominant vicious fighter to be like that, plus and all this mess with the manager and UFC.
Oh man, this morning I was considering editing out my OP, and replacing it with an OP hyping "UFC Main Events," as a joke just to fuck with you guys :D
Lots of mismatches here. I actually think Rogers - Fedor is the closest one. Still though: Fedor > Rogers - He's gonna get armbar'd Shields > Miller Mousasi > Sokou Werdum > Silva
On November 05 2009 12:39 omgbnetsux wrote: Lots of mismatches here. I actually think Rogers - Fedor is the closest one. Still though: Fedor > Rogers - He's gonna get armbar'd Shields > Miller Mousasi > Sokou Werdum > Silva
On November 05 2009 12:39 omgbnetsux wrote: Lots of mismatches here. I actually think Rogers - Fedor is the closest one. Still though: Fedor > Rogers - He's gonna get armbar'd Shields > Miller Mousasi > Sokou Werdum > Silva
how is shields v miller a mismatch?
Just my take. I'm a bit delirious from work, but I think Shields is just on another level right now. Miller's a tough son of a bitch, but his only chance in my book is a decision if Shields gases.
On November 05 2009 15:32 Dr.Lettuce wrote: Well mayhem's started his porn career. Hahaha. Good luck to him, crazy son of a bitch but always entertaining.
lol I googled this news but came up empty. I found this instead and is just pure gold.
War Machine's life is seriously fucked. GL HF. You'll need it.
Anyways, I don't know why people actually think Rogers is a viable threat to Fedor... Sure, Rogers KO'd glassrovski silly, but then, Serra KO'd GSP... Is Serra>GSP? No. Arlovski would poon Rogers in a rematch.
That said, Rogers will get owned badly for the same reason Kongo and Manfoef always get owned when the opponent has any wrestling skills. That said, Fedor not only has wrestling and ground skills, he has a finesse in striking enough to even pown Rogers in a stadup war... don't believe me? Look at his fight with cro-cop (no, not the cro-crap that lost to GG, Dos Santos. The CC that won ultimate conflict). Fedor beat cro-cop at his own game: striking.
Win8282, that's a little bit of missing the point. Maybe GSP is better than serra all round. But Serra beat him that night and took the belt. The whole point in even fighting is to determine who is better that night. What's the point in MMA at all, if you can just look at the guys records and say, ok Fighter X wins... you fight for the purpose of fighting.
However I do agree that Rogers is in a lot more trouble than he probably realizes. And I agree with your analysis.
That's precisely why Fedor is the best fighter on the planet.
For me there are two reasons I like Fedor. One is statistical and the other is technical.
From a statistical standpoint, Fedor does things nobody else in the world has done. He's 26-0-0-1 since his lone loss (disputable, but I still refer to it as a loss), and that run includes:
The winning of a major world title Three title defenses Six wins over top ten opponents A maximum six disadvantage of 160+ pounds (Zuluzinho) A maximum height disadvantage of 14 inches Three wins over Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blackbelts Four wins over high profile K-1 veterans (two against K-1 world champions) Three wins over NCAA champions
It's an incredible list of competition, especially given that a great deal of his competition was physically bigger than him.
From a technical standpoint, though, what's amazing is how he beats people.
Emelianenko has the ability to take down and pound out every striker he fights. Or to submit wrestlers off of his back. He doesn't do that. Or to outstrike every jiu-jitsu guy.
He out-struck Mirko CroCop.
He beat Nogueira from inside Nogueira's guard.
He spent the first round of the second Coleman fight stuffing takedowns.
What's scary is that he'll fight specialists and beat them at their own game. People thought he was getting beaten by Arlovski but, at the end of the day, the way he beat Andrei (glass chin or not) is impressive. Instead of taking Andrei down and working the groundnpound, he knocked out the boxer standing up.
He stopped Tim Sylvia on the feet, as well.
All of this impresses me, personally. While sometimes he does go to his back to finish wrestlers (see the fights with Lindland or Coleman), he does entertain their game for a little while before he ends it.
Also, the fights with Randleman and Fujita demonstrated a level of testicular fortitude that, in my opinion, was absolutely mindblowing.
Fedor vs Fujita Fedor vs Randleman Fedor vs Heath Herring Fedor vs Gary Goodridge Fedor vs Nog 1/2
Infact just go torrent the whole pack, smoke a few spliffs and sit back I think I've actually enjoyed almost every single Fedor fight, the guy is out of this world.
On November 05 2009 20:35 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: you guys make me wanna fall in love with Fedor's performance. I'm gonna check out some of his fights, any advices what to start with?
Not even the recovery. Look at the slam, Fedor during the slam. Being in fucking mid-air. Keeps his calm. Doesn't tense his body - which is the natural reaction and incredibly hard not to do, this lessons the actual damage impact recieved off the slam. And Tucks his chin down to avoid being spiked on to his actual head.
No one else on the fucking planet would be able to keep that calm, that composed and proceed to reverse an NCAA Champion off you and slap a kimura on 30 seconds later. Fedor is just unreal.
On November 05 2009 21:27 Dr.Lettuce wrote: Not even the recovery. Look at the slam, Fedor during the slam. Being in fucking mid-air. Keeps his calm. Doesn't tense his body - which is the natural reaction and incredibly hard not to do, this lessons the actual damage impact recieved off the slam. And Tucks his chin down to avoid being spiked on to his actual head.
No one else on the fucking planet would be able to keep that calm, that composed and proceed to reverse an NCAA Champion off you and slap a kimura on 30 seconds later. Fedor is just unreal.
Fedor was prob like... "Ok, I got slammed in the head. Meh, reverse then armbar. Executing in 1...2...3... wham!" Randleman was prob like... "Yah, I finally got this fool. I just hope his neck aint broken....WHAT THE FUCK! TAP TAP!"
On November 05 2009 12:39 omgbnetsux wrote: Lots of mismatches here. I actually think Rogers - Fedor is the closest one. Still though: Fedor > Rogers - He's gonna get armbar'd Shields > Miller Mousasi > Sokou Werdum > Silva
how is shields v miller a mismatch?
Just my take. I'm a bit delirious from work, but I think Shields is just on another level right now. Miller's a tough son of a bitch, but his only chance in my book is a decision if Shields gases.
I'd be tempted to agree with you but his Shields' lat two wins didn't really impress me all that much. I've yet to see a Shields fight that wow'ed me. Plus, for some reason I just can't stand the guy. When Joe Riggs said that Shields is just a nerd who learned how to grapple it actually seemed pretty accurate.
Miller has also never been submitted(IIRC). Not by GSP, not by Jacare, and he actually triangled Kang. I just can't see Shields ,of all people, succeeding where those three phenoms have failed.
On November 05 2009 15:32 Dr.Lettuce wrote: Well mayhem's started his porn career. Hahaha. Good luck to him, crazy son of a bitch but always entertaining.
Tempted to put a wager down on bigfoot silva, but I don't think the odds warrant it enough.
How anyone can not like Fedor as a person and as a fighter is beyond me. The dude is just unreal in the ring and is about as down to earth as a fighter can get. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the ones that think they are all that and they definitely have their place in MMA, but having the (in my opinion) #1 P4P fighter in the world as this sort of soft spoken pudgy Russian who doesn't care about being famous and a big star in the States, is very refreshing. He got a lot of hate for not signing with the UFC considering it was reported to be an obscene amount of money and the UFC caved on some major points. However, we don't really know what was offered, and we also know the UFC offended Fedor multiple times before. The whole "Fedor being scared" thing was retarded.
That being said, he takes far more risk fighting guys like Rogers. He is a very dangerous fighter with plenty of unknowns. There is no upside for Fedor other than some US face time if he wins. If he loses that face time means nothing. Fedor wins this fight 95% of the time in my opinion, but that 5% loss is much more devastating to his career compared to the boost he will get for a win. If he doesn't come in and obliterate Rogers, people will call him overrated and all the casuals who expected to see a Mike Tyson esque figure will be disappointed. If he wins in dominant fashion he will gain some casual fan base I'm sure, but it has no upside for the hardcore base because we look at Rogers as a can in comparison to Fedor. Fedor fights who is put in front of him. I have 100% confidence that Fedor would fight anyone in the UFC if it was arranged.
Onto the card itself
Fedor v Rogers
I expect Rogers to come out as usual, swinging for the fences. How Fedor will react to this only he knows. Fedor is one of the rare fighter that really uses his brain and strategizes in the ring. Sure he goes in with a plan that his coaches helped formulate, but when he gets in the ring he knows how and when to adjust and his transitioning is beyond anyone in MMA. If Fedor sees gaps in the bull rush he'll more than likely stand in and look to capitalize. Personally, I would sidestep it a lot and avoid it for a bit just to take the risk out. Either strategy has the same risk in getting caught, but I think that Fedor's avoidance would be more than effective against a bull rush from Rogers in my opinion.
The only game we have seen Rogers play is this heavy striker who isn't very technical. Everything else is pretty much an unknown. This can be very dangerous as you could attempt something and find out Rogers is very proficient in that area, and find yourself in a precarious situation. However when it comes to Fedor, I don't see Rogers being on the same level in any area except for punching power and I guarantee Fedor matches if not exceeds Rogers in the area. The real question is his takedown and sub game, and it's not a stretch to say Fedor is leagues above him.
Will Fedor get caught? It's possible. I imagine Fedor will meet the rush with some looping hooks and look for a chance to drag Rogers to the mat if he doesn't shake him with his punches, or feels uncomfortable with Rogers stand up. This fight will probably not go past the first round unless Rogers decides to completely change his game and fight at a slower pace and look to use timing more than aggression. Rogers is a recipe Fedor has excelled against for many years, big aggressive strikers. All of them had the punchers chance, yet all of them fell to the Russian Juggernaut. I doubt this will be any different.
Fedor by KIMURA?! - 3:00 Rd1
As for the question: "What type of fighter can beat Fedor?" I hate to admit it, but Brock Lesnar is almost the perfect fighter to be that guy. He nullifies a lot of areas Fedor excels in. I still don't think Brock has the sub defense to beat Fedor, especially not in a five round fight. I couldn't see Brock finish Fedor at any point. Sure he punches hard, even knocked out Captain America, but knocking out Fedor is another level. Fedor definitely has the capabilities on his feet to stop Brock standing (granted I highly doubt the fight stays on the feet long enough to find out). However his ground game (especially his Sambo) will be the key difference. Joint locks, especially leglocks (as Mir showed) are especially dangerous to wrestlers who try to unload on their downed opponents. The size difference would be the key issue in the fight, Brock can smother anyone, even big heavyweights. Fedor is on the smaller scale obviously. That fight is as close as even as anyone can get to Fedor in my opinion.
The other analysis' will be much shorter I promise....
Shields v Miller
I see this being a lot like Miller v Jacare, superior wrestler/grappler vs proficient grappler. I don't see Shields subbing Miller however. This gives Miller the chance to make up a lot of points that he'll surely be behind in the later rounds. If Shields conditioning becomes an issue in the 3rd round, I can definitely see a Miller victory in the later rounds. I think Miller has the edge in stand up and against a gassed Shields that edge could win him the fight. However that's all dependent on whether Shields gasses and doesn't in the process wear Miller down just as much. I predict...
Shields by UD
Mousasi v Sokoudjou
The first few minutes of this fight will be really exciting, that's until Sokou's gas tank empties out and he's left panting and then laying face down on the mat. Mousasi will weather the early storm and return fire and probably end it in a much similar fashion as he did to Babalu.
Mousasi by GnP stoppage: Late RD1
Werdum v Silva
I think Werdum will actually take this fight. Granted his wrestling is sub par, Silva's takedown defense is just as poor. I think if the fight hits the ground once in Werdum's favor it'll be over. However, Silva will win if this fight stays on the feet. If Silva gets top position, I'm not so sure. I think Werdum has the advantage anywhere on the ground and expect Silva to do what he can to stay off the mat.
On November 05 2009 19:39 Dr.Lettuce wrote: What's scary is that he'll fight specialists and beat them at their own game. People thought he was getting beaten by Arlovski but, at the end of the day, the way he beat Andrei (glass chin or not) is impressive. Instead of taking Andrei down and working the groundnpound, he knocked out the boxer standing up.
He stopped Tim Sylvia on the feet, as well.
While this is true it is important to note that for someone who is, say a striker, you take away very much of his stand-up ability by the fact that he knows that if it goes to the ground, he is screwed. If you were to place Mirco or Schilt vs Fedor in a K-1 fight for instance, it would be a different game. Im not trying to take anything away from fedor though, still very impressive.
Anyways, anyone got streams for this? I used to use mmhacks . com, but they havent worked for the past few events for me... (unless I "donate" via paypal)
On November 07 2009 17:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote: when is this fight CET ?
And what is the best way to watch it spoiler free ?
I probably cant watch it live but i want to watch it without knowing anything at all if possible
Eeh best way to watch it spoiler free? What do you mean with this?
Do you mean if you go to mma-core you are afraid related vids will be like "Fedor win speech" then yes you got a point.
However this OP will be updated on the first page with video links so no worries. Also you can torrent this and not even be ashamed since it aired on free tv.
On November 07 2009 23:38 Dr.Lettuce wrote: lol of course Chael was joking. Apparently Cung Le is back on december 19th. Hmmm, Cung Le vs Hendo?
Goddamn I can't wait for Cung Le. I love watching his fights, but they are so rare these days. I wish he would drop all his other shit and focus on MMA.
Seeing as I spend about 7 hours a day watching/writing/training MMA I thought I'd post some of the more relevant stuff I've seen recently.
Risk and reward
We are on the eve of a major night in the history of the Strikeforce promotion. On Saturday evening they will present arguably the biggest free card in the history of the sport live to millions of people via CBS in the United States.
It sounds like a dream scenario, but at the same time it should not be forgotten that there are risks as well as rewards for the promotion on a night like this.
The first concern is regarding the ratings. If Strikeforce wishes for their appearance on CBS to be more than a one off then they have to draw the kind of numbers that will satisfy the network bosses.
It is not known what the ‘magic number’ is, but it is safe to assume that anything less than the average of 2.5 million viewers who tuned in for the lowest rated of the three Elite XC shows from last year would be a disastrous result and could well ensure that future events will only feature on Showtime, which has a far smaller overall audience.
Is that likely to happen? On paper it shouldn’t. The second EliteXC featured neither of it’s two top ’stars’ at that stage (Kimbo Slice & Gina Carano), instead relying on a headline bout between Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith.
Strikeforce clearly have a superior card lined up, particularly for the main event where they will showcase the man many claim to be the worlds best mixed martial artist – Fedor Emelianenko. Other respected fighters will face solid match-ups in the main card including Jake Shields, Jason Mayhem Miller, Gegard Mousasi and Fabricio Werdum.
A stumbling block may be Fedor himself, despite his impressive credentials. As Kimbo Slice has proved, both in EliteXC, and more recently in The Ultimate Fighter reality show, you don’t always have to be a great fighter to gain the attention of the casual viewer.
It will be interesting to see if the mainstream U.S audience finds Fedor’s quiet, unassuming demeanor and humble lifestyle (which was clearly displayed in the ‘Fight Camp 360‘ documentary which aired on CBS this week) compelling, or a turn-off.
The second major risk for the promotion is that Fedor could lose.
TV Ads Have Focused Heavily On Fedor & Rogers As was seen with the collapse of EliteXC after Kimbo Slice lost live on CBS, it is not wise to build a successful promotion based on one fighter. Strikeforce do have a number of quality fighters on their books, though there is still significant work still to be done to deepen their talent pool. For now they have put together a main card for the event that is certainly credible and compelling, if a little lopsided in terms of the competitiveness of some bouts
Much of the burden of responsibility then falls on CBS’s shoulders to promote the fight correctly. Have they learned their lessons from their past experiences of broadcasting MMA? On the evidence of the promotional push ahead of this fight, perhaps not entirely.
It is clear that both Strikeforce and CBS have invested a lot in Fedor however, both literally and figuratively. On the positive side, Fedor’s opponent Brett Rogers has received a significant amount of exposure in the ad campaign that has led up to tomorrow nights event. His ‘rags to riches’ back story is engaging and does give the promotion something to build on should he pull off an unexpected win.
That being said it would unquestionably be a blow if Fedor, who has been built up to almost mythical proportions as the ‘baddest man on the planet,’ is defeated by Brett Rogers, who has been painted as ‘the guy who used to work at Sams Club’.
Without the mystique that surrounds Fedor thanks to his long unbeaten run, it may prove challenging to create a compelling narrative for the fighter that will continue to hold the average viewers interest for future events that he features in.
Perhaps the most noticeable flaw in CBS’s promotion of the event however has been the lack of hype surrounding the other fighters who are featuring on the card. Despite having a middleweight title match-up between Jason ‘Mayhem’ Miller, who undoubtedly has a significant fan-base due to his role on MTV’s ‘Bully Beatdown’, and former EliteXC champion Jake Shields serving as the co-main event, they have been almost completely overlooked in the promotional campaign.
Gegard Mousasi is another fighter who has the potential to be a major draw for the promotion with his impressive 13 fight winning streak and impressive K.O in his last outing, but yet he too will appear on the show with little or no fanfare.
If CBS wishes to successfully promote Strikeforce in the longer term then this strategy of putting all their eggs in the one basket could prove to be a risky strategy.
Of course on the flip-side, Strikeforce have reason to be excited by the potential rewards that this event could bring.
Telling people that he is the best MMA fighter is one thing, but actually seeing it for yourself is another. If Fedor wins, as he is widely expected to do, then they will have established their marquee fighter as a force to be reckoned with in front of millions of viewers.
With the recent news that Alistair Overeem is ready to defend his title against Fedor, Strikeforce will also have a highly anticipated blockbuster fight ready and waiting for the early months of next year.
Thanks to a solid main card featuring a number of talented MMA fighters, there is also the hope that we will see an entertaining night of fights that will promote the sport in a positive way. Despite the lack of publicity surrounding the other fighters, a stand-out performance in any of the other main card fights would be beneficial. If Mousasi for example pulls of a performance similar to his one minute destruction of Renato Sobral in his Strikeforce debut, then that will give them another potential star to develop for future events.
Also, despite the earlier criticisms, there is still every chance that the event will perform well in the television ratings. Though it is unlikely that they will match those of Kimbo Slice’s debut fight for EliteXC on CBS which peaked at 6.5 million (averageing 4.85million throughout the show), anywhere close to that would be a major result for the promotion, and would all but guarantee more events being aired on the station in the future.
The risks and rewards attached to the event undoubtedly make it even more compelling viewing. Regardless of the outcome, on Saturday night we will be witness to another significant moment in the young history of this sport.
Good article, if a little patronising. Highlights some points I hadn't thought of. If Fedor loses, there cash cow is gone. M-1 probably walks as well. Does Brett become the worlds No.1? Speculations please people.
Pros Predictions:
Fedor Emelianenko, the man most agree is the world’s best heavyweight, returns to action Saturday in Hoffman Estates, Ill., against the less experienced but still dangerous Brett Rogers.
The duel is the main event of Strikeforce/M-1 Global’s debut on CBS. Fedor is a fierce striker and an even deadlier submission player. He’s a resounding favorite at the sportsbooks and he should be.
While Rogers is not as big an underdog as James “Buster” Douglas was on Feb. 11, 1990, when he shocked the world with his dramatic 10th-round knockout of then-invincible Mike Tyson, a Rogers win would send similar shockwaves throughout the MMA world nevertheless.
So who will win? Sherdog.com caught up with dozens of professional fighters and trainers from the MMA community to gauge their opinions.
Jeff Monson: Fedor by submission early.
Pete Sell: Fedor tries to set up Rogers for a big shot but then slips. Brett jumps on the opportunity and KO’s him with his golden luck (laughs).
Dewey Cooper: Wow, this is an interesting fight for two reasons. A relatively unknown, untested, super aggressive big puncher that seems fearless and relentless for victories by knockout. Secondly, as close to perfection as a fighter can be in the unpredictable world of MMA, the incredible Fedor. Who, by the way, is another one-punch knockout artist. Will this be the fight (where) Fedor is overconfident and takes this new heavyweight threat lightly? We all know it will happen sooner or later if Fedor continues to fight; he will at some point be defeated. But I don't think it will be this fight.
Though I would love to see Rogers shock the world, I don't think it will happen. Fedor has too many ways he can win this fight. He can win by striking, takedowns with ground-and-pound or his deadly submissions, chokes, etc. Rogers has only one way he can win this fight -- by striking, most likely punches. Also, Rogers seems to be too aggressive at times, which can make him an easy target to work Fedor's takedown skills. So Fedor by first- or second-round KO or submission. Not to mention the championship experience Fedor has. That is always an advantage in these high-profile fights.
Kevin Burns: Fedor won’t be challenged by Rogers, and he’ll determine how long he wants the fight to last. He could probably finish him in under a minute if he chose to.
Jaime Fletcher: I like Brett Rogers, but I think Fedor is too much all around. I pick Fedor early by KO or submission. He always takes the fight where he can win it. Rogers’ ground (game) is not on the world-class level yet. You need that when you fight the greatest MMA heavyweight of all time. Right now that’s what Fedor is.
Mac Danzig: In the fights I’ve seen of Rogers, he’s seemed pretty sloppy, but that doesn’t mean he can’t win. Fedor isn’t invincible and if Rogers hits the chin, he has the power to finish. That being said, I think Fedor is more complete and has the experience to take the fight where he needs to. He also has a more resilient chin than anyone Rogers has faced thus far, so I’m going with Fedor unless he slips on a banana peel. I’d like to see the underdog win, but I don’t think many heavyweights at Brett Rogers’ level have the ability to beat Fedor.
Ricardo Liborio: Fedor by submission (in the) second round.
Chael Sonnen: Two fatties swinging like bums. Yawn, stretch, back to sleep.
Ron Frazier: No real reason for this pick. Maybe it’s just time for a new king? I love Fedor’s game, but I am picking the young big gun Brett Rogers by KO.
Scott Bieri: As much as I like parity in this sport, this one seems pretty straightforward. Rogers is a threat to any heavyweight but seems to be a one-trick pony at this point in his career. If Fedor can figure out a prime Cro Cop, Rogers’ heavy hands shouldn’t be a problem.
Micah Miller: Fedor (wins). Rogers has size and a puncher’s chance, but he’s in over his head.
Roland Sarria: Fedor will win by a Russian polar bear hammer punch to the ear in the first round.
Travis Lutter: Got to go with Fedor. He is due to lose, but I am not betting against him.
Gabe Ruediger: You’re kidding, right? It’s a fight and anything can happen, but short of the "Any Given Sunday" factor, this fight is all Fedor. On the ground and standing, it’s his world and Brett is just sniffing the air. Fedor by KO or submission in the first round.
Stephane Vigneault: Fedor is still the man. How can you beat a robot? Seriously, it's a dangerous fight, but Fedor is Fedor. Fedor by TKO in less than five minutes.
Brad Pickett: Fedor, 150 percent. I'll eat some dog s--t if I’m wrong.
Soa Palelei: (To Pickett) Big call to eat dog s--t. Dangerous fight for Fedor. I’m still backing Fedor, but he needs to either keep his hands up or take Rogers to the ground.
James Zikic: Fedor, first-round TKO. No doubt!
Ryan White: This is going to be a slugfest, but I think Fedor will win by KO.
Billy MacDonald: Fedor wins easy (via) KO in round one. Next up: Bigfoot Silva or Overeem.
Robin Black: I am leery to say this -- I have honestly received e-mail death threats for saying stuff like this -- but I am one of those jerks that thinks the whole Fedor myth has been blown WAY out of proportion. He's just a man. He's not unbeatable. But he will beat Brett Rogers handily and early. Fedor isn't the indestructible demigod that obsessive fans have made him out to be, but he is too much for Brett Rogers. Fedor in the first.
Thomas Denny: I like the black man in this fight. I think he will let his blackness out, and it will reign supreme. Huge upset: Brett Rogers TKO in round one. Too big, too strong, too hungry!
Ben Saunders: I am gonna go with Mr. Rogers on this one. I think he has skill and power to back it up. Only thing I have yet to see is his takedown defense, clinch work and ground skills. But if he can keep this fight standing, I believe he has the chance to knock Fedor out.
Kit Cope: Not that I don't think Rogers is legit, but I see Fedor ending this one in standard Fedor fashion. Rogers, however, poses the "puncher's chance" threat and he's a quick starter, so I predict Fedor moves with him a little, possibly leading to takedown and submission.
Tom Gavrilos: Fedor by any way he feels like ending it. This will not make it to decision. This fight is a serious mismatch.
Jamie Varner: Fedor by domination!
Stav Economou: Fedor by any way he wishes in the first round.
Ray Elbe: Ever been to Russia? The weather is freezing, the girls are expensive and the Vodka is cheap. That's what we call a nation with a fighting tradition. Fedor by Rogers dropping the soap, some time in the second round.
Bill Mesi: Fedor is hands down my favorite fighter; I have him tattooed on my thigh. The one thing I hate about him still fighting is the fact that no matter who he fights, his critics are always quick to say that Fedor fights nobodies and this fight is no different. If Fedor beats Brett, it will be just another no-name heavyweight that he’s beaten. On the other hand, if Rogers wins, Fedor will look bad and the rag on the emperor train will begin. If I had my way, Fedor should’ve retired on the top when he beat (Arlovski). I think Rogers possesses the patience, strength and shot power to hurt Fedor, so I’m really on the fence with this one. Watching Fedor’s last fight, I think a huge hole was uncovered: leg kicks and straight shots stump the champ. I’m going with Fedor on this one, but if Brett wins, I’ll be crushed. And mark my words: Win or lose, the Fedor haters will cease to realize he’s the most complete fighter light to heavy, hands down.
Mike Ciesnolevicz: I'm really pumped because I’m gonna be cageside at this fight. I think Fedor wins this fight on skill and experience, probably by an armbar or rear choke. Rogers has an outside chance at landing a big shot like Fujita nearly did to Fedor, but it's not likely. Fedor is hard to bet against by looking at his track record.
Mike Dolce: How do you pick against Fedor? Simple ... you don't! I think Brett Rogers is a big, strong, hard-hitting mofo, but Fedor is all that AND a bag of chips. Fedor via submission in round one.
Elvis Sinosic: The logical choice is to pick Fedor. He has had more fights, faced more higher quality opponents and has had numerous title fights and defenses. Fedor is very well-rounded: He can strike, takedown and grapple and all at a high level. He has the ability to find his opponent’s weakness and exploit it. Brett Rogers is a very dangerous opponent. He has heavy hands and finishes his opponents. The big problem is that we have not seen all of Rogers’ game. A lot of what he has to offer is unknown or speculation. This makes him dangerous. I predict Fedor will take the fight, most likely set up his takedowns with strikes and then work his ground-and-pound, looking for a TKO or submission. Fedor needs to be careful, though, as Brett has the ability to turn the match around with a single blow. If Fedor is careless or underestimates him, this could end badly for him. Rogers is coming in prepared and fired up. Fedor is the better fighter and should take this match. Fedor wins this.
Pros who picked Fedor: 27 Pros who picked Rogers: 4 Pros who couldn’t decide: 1
Source : Shitdog.com, the ONLY reason I ever vist sherdog is for prospicks and fight rec. Other than that I hate the site with a passion. Surprised rogers even got 4 votes, although most seemed to be in jest.
DW On Hendo
Dan Henderson, a former PRIDE title-holder and current middleweight contender, has likely signed with Strikeforce, UFC President Dana White recently told Yahoo Sports.
According to the report, a source close to the situation confirmed Henderson had signed with Strikeforce and White echoed the news, though Strikeforce’s Scott Coker denied a deal is done.
“I guarantee you 1,000 percent that Dan Henderson is signed by Strikeforce,” said White. “Dan and I have been friends and we will continue to be friends, but it just didn’t work out and he went to Strikeforce.”
Coker says Henderson’s management informed him that he had declined the UFC’s offer and was ready to work on a deal with Strikeforce, but Coker but negotiations on hold temporarily due to his schedule for this weekend’s Strikeforce Challengers 4 and “Fedor vs. Rogers” events.
MMAfrenzy has been pretty accurate in the past, and this also makes sense. I would believe this to be legit. Strikeforce is actually getting a sizeable roster. Good for them.
Other shit I've found out.
Jacare probably takes on King Mo next strikeforce. Interesting back to basics match up. Striker vs Grappler. Cung Le returns on the same card, rumored to be up against Scott Smith, I don't see why that would happen. Nor do I think smith stands a chanc/deserves it. Although strikeforce really need to sort their belts out to be honest.
Cro-cop thinking of a return vs Rothwell. Apparently he wants to honour his contract and finish it. Not sure how I feel about that.
No, because even if he did in close fashion it's still a loss. All he would have his a win over an arlovski who was about #6 at the time.
That is not the same competition that Brock/Mir/Nog have fought recently. I'd probably put Brett at 7. Brock is the #2 heavyweight in the world, losing to Fedor would not push Brett's accomplishments to being above any of the top 5.
Ratings should pay little attention to potential. They should focus on competition beat at that weight class. And the fashion you win in, for example a dominant performance over a top 10 guy over 3 rounds. Can mean a lot more than a flash KO in the first 30 seconds.
Essentially if Brett loses, even in a close fight. His record will be 1-1 against top 10 competition. That should never even earn you a top 10 status. But due to the thin nature of the current HW's across all promotions, it would be easier for him to move up in to the top 10. If he does put on a good performance, I could see him moving in to the middle/bottom of the top 10, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Also because of Fedors dominance and undisputable #1 HW standing, that would help Rogers Case to move him to the top 10. But not #2, not by a long shot.
Oops I meant to click no, clicked only if its close by accident.
On November 08 2009 04:39 Dr.Lettuce wrote: No, because even if he did in close fashion it's still a loss. All he would have his a win over an arlovski who was about #6 at the time.
That is not the same competition that Brock/Mir/Nog have fought recently. I'd probably put Brett at 7. Brock is the #2 heavyweight in the world, losing to Fedor would not push Brett's accomplishments to being above any of the top 5.
Ratings should pay little attention to potential. They should focus on competition beat at that weight class. And the fashion you win in, for example a dominant performance over a top 10 guy over 3 rounds. Can mean a lot more than a flash KO in the first 30 seconds.
Essentially if Brett loses, even in a close fight. His record will be 1-1 against top 10 competition. That should never even earn you a top 10 status. But due to the thin nature of the current HW's across all promotions, it would be easier for him to move up in to the top 10. If he does put on a good performance, I could see him moving in to the middle/bottom of the top 10, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Also because of Fedors dominance and undisputable #1 HW standing, that would help Rogers Case to move him to the top 10. But not #2, not by a long shot.
Oops I meant to click no, clicked only if its close by accident.
I meant personally not as in official ratings. I agree that a loss technically shouldnt influence the proper ratings. (Fedor makes it quiet a bit special though.)
Ratings should pay little attention to potential. They should focus on competition beat at that weight class. And the fashion you win in, for example a dominant performance over a top 10 guy over 3 rounds. Can mean a lot more than a flash KO in the first 30 seconds.
On November 08 2009 04:45 251 wrote: I heard about this fight on the Adam Carolla Podcast, he had Brett Rogers on, now I'm totally psyched. Brett seemed pretty damn confident.
So were many before him. Arguably the best HW to walk the planet at the time, Nogueira, who could absorb punishment unheard of and who had jui-jitsu rivaling that of the Gracies never even had Fedor in trouble, let alone got close to beating him.
One mistake, that's all Rogers has to make. Just one. And if you think Fedor will fall like a sack of shit that Arlovski is then watch his fight against Fujita. The man trains to escape scraps and he's really good with going straight to the clinch when he's wobbly. At that point, I don't see Rogers having the ability to shake Fedor off. Even Fujita who's a great wrestler couldn't,
I hope nothing fluke like happens and Fedor gets the victory he deserves.
i'm really curious as to how Rogers will handle Fedor's ground game.
i've only seen a few of Rogers' fights, but i've never seen him on his back. i'm assuming his training camp has been preparing him for this since Fedor's takedowns and submissions are imo much better than his striking (not that his striking is weak at all, obviously)
On November 08 2009 08:33 Sfydjklm wrote: In Canada, CBS, like all major American TV networks, is carried in the basic program package of all cable and satellite providers
On November 08 2009 08:33 Sfydjklm wrote: In Canada, CBS, like all major American TV networks, is carried in the basic program package of all cable and satellite providers
Should be able to watch it on TV
dont have tv lol
i dusted off my old tv specially for this occasion^^
On November 08 2009 10:34 iamtt1 wrote: i hope someone livestreams this :<
Fedor vs. Rogers will be live and free on CBS, main card starts at 9pm EST.
that isn't very useful for a lot of people. ;o
What, people don't have CBS?
no dude. that's why we were looking for streams. because those of us in NA don't have cable, and those outside NA aren't all able to watch it on cbs' website.
but thanks for telling us that his event we've been hyping for a week is being broadcasted on the channel that's labeled on the banner.
On November 08 2009 10:34 iamtt1 wrote: i hope someone livestreams this :<
Fedor vs. Rogers will be live and free on CBS, main card starts at 9pm EST.
that isn't very useful for a lot of people. ;o
What, people don't have CBS?
no dude. that's why we were looking for streams. because those of us in NA don't have cable, and those outside NA aren't all able to watch it on cbs' website.
but thanks for telling us that his event we've been hyping for a week is being broadcasted on the channel that's labeled on the banner.
Wow. Excuse me for not reading the whole thread. You don't have to be a f*cking d*ck about it. I was just trying to be helpful.
Anyone gonna livestream this? Every time I watch any of those streams linked here it gets shut down after 30-60sec saying the maximum numbers from my country is reached for viewing
On November 08 2009 11:12 Oystein wrote: Anyone gonna livestream this? Every time I watch any of those streams linked here it gets shut down after 30-60sec saying the maximum numbers from my country is reached for viewing
google and dl "Ultrasurf" to get rid of that...welcome once again
On November 08 2009 11:12 Oystein wrote: Anyone gonna livestream this? Every time I watch any of those streams linked here it gets shut down after 30-60sec saying the maximum numbers from my country is reached for viewing
google and dl "Ultrasurf" to get rid of that...welcome once again
I just tuned-in to see Sokoudjou fail to try anything from half-guard and then lose. Did he take a lot of damage early in the fight or did he just show very poor conditioning? It is sort of unfortunate to see a strong Judoka (at least in terms of throws) fail to do anything on the ground. Perhaps he should train his newaza more?
I just tuned-in to see Sokoudjou fail to try anything from half-guard and then lose. Did he take a lot of damage early in the fight or did he just show very poor conditioning? It is sort of unfortunate to see a strong Judoka (at least in terms of throws) fail to do anything on the ground. Perhaps he should train his newaza more?
Nah, he did great in Round One, but probably just gassed.
I just tuned-in to see Sokoudjou fail to try anything from half-guard and then lose. Did he take a lot of damage early in the fight or did he just show very poor conditioning? It is sort of unfortunate to see a strong Judoka (at least in terms of throws) fail to do anything on the ground. Perhaps he should train his newaza more?
he did quite well in the first round. looked like he gassed a bit in the 2nd. the whole fight he was getting the worse end of the striking
mayhem's entrance is NUTS... hahahah.. cheerleading chicks line the path to the cage dancing and he does a stupid dance progressing down the path hahahahahahahah
if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure User was banned for this post.
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
maybe you clueless? you called mayhem and shileds fighters w/o background while Mayhem's one of the most well rounded A-class fighters in the game and Shields is bjj master, one of the best in US.
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
maybe you clueless? you called mayhem and shileds fighters w/o background while Mayhem's one of the most well rounded A-class fighters in the game and Shields is bjj master, one of the best in US.
youre just proving my point you just defined someone who "cant punch"( you own words) as one of the most well rounded fighters lets just leave it at that, cant argue with you here
On November 08 2009 12:40 CTStalker wrote: just ignore food. doesn't know what he's watching
alright, i stated my opinion, why do you even bother? And this one.
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
maybe you clueless? you called mayhem and shileds fighters w/o background while Mayhem's one of the most well rounded A-class fighters in the game and Shields is bjj master, one of the best in US.
youre just proving my point you just defined someone who "cant punch"( you own words) as one of the most well rounded fighters lets just leave it at that, cant argue with you here
Dude, are you stupid? He's well-rounded means he can punch both standing and on the ground, well rounded fighter is the biggest compliment in mma, who can't punch is Shields on the ground. You seem to not know anything about mma and fighters.
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
maybe you clueless? you called mayhem and shileds fighters w/o background while Mayhem's one of the most well rounded A-class fighters in the game and Shields is bjj master, one of the best in US.
youre just proving my point you just defined someone who "cant punch"( you own words) as one of the most well rounded fighters lets just leave it at that, cant argue with you here
he said mayhem is well rounded, which is true. so your reading comprehension is at fault here
On November 08 2009 12:40 CTStalker wrote: just ignore food. doesn't know what he's watching
On November 08 2009 12:42 food wrote: alright, i stated my opinion, why do you even bother?
On November 08 2009 12:30 udgnim wrote: if this goes to decision, Shields is probably going to outpoint him, but really want Miller to win since Shields has basically been hugging and LnPing for the most part
Shields gnp is so pathetic, the weakest punches ever, he also breathes out to make it seem like his touches are making a decent impact.
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
maybe you clueless? you called mayhem and shileds fighters w/o background while Mayhem's one of the most well rounded A-class fighters in the game and Shields is bjj master, one of the best in US.
youre just proving my point you just defined someone who "cant punch"( you own words) as one of the most well rounded fighters lets just leave it at that, cant argue with you here
he said mayhem is well rounded, which is true. so your reading comprehension is at fault here
btw why didnt we see any of that? thats why he won the fight right
Apparently Fedor is a KO guy now instead of being a ground guy. This fight was tougher than expected, Rogers is a damn dangerous heavy fighter, i'm impressed.
fedor will be undefeated until someone with good standup( preferably actual boxer) and heavy enough not to be submitted easily will face him arlovski was best candidate so far imo and i expected a lot more from rogers
On November 08 2009 13:12 Slow Motion wrote: this translator is fucking terrible
i thought the translator is decent
translator called orthodox christians "russian orthodox people" rofl
that's caz in russia a statement like that would be considered completely normal, but in america it would seem not so politically correct so she altered it very very very slightly...
On November 08 2009 13:12 Slow Motion wrote: this translator is fucking terrible
i thought the translator is decent
not really
that's caz in russia a statement like that would be considered completely normal, but in america it would seem not so politically correct so she altered it very very very slightly...
she didnt alter it she translated it incorrectly because "orthodox people" implies christians
scared the shit outta me the first round. fedor taking a big shot to the face, then taking some heavy abuse on the ground... and that cut looked really nasty.
On November 08 2009 13:14 food wrote: translator called orthodox christians "russian orthodox people" rofl
ahhh... yur ignorant...
the orthodox religion is specific to that country/region
read definition of orthodox.
that's why there's greek orthodox, russian orthodox, coptic orthodox and so on.
i am politely calling you an idiot, stop fucking calling people names please im christian orthodox myself and some dumb aussie kid is going to spell it out for me? hahaha. You dont use word "orthodox" without word "christian" in this content. If you speak russian ill gladly listen to you And this one.
On November 08 2009 13:14 food wrote: translator called orthodox christians "russian orthodox people" rofl
ahhh... yur ignorant...
the orthodox religion is specific to that country/region
read definition of orthodox.
that's why there's greek orthodox, russian orthodox, coptic orthodox and so on.
i am politely calling you an idiot, stop fucking calling people names please im christian orthodox myself and some dumb aussie kid is going to spell it out for me? hahaha. You dont use word "orthodox" without word "christian" in this content, just dont. If you speak russian ill gladly listen to you
How the fuck does this thread become an argument about christianity? -_-
Anyway that was succcchhh a good last fight :D Rogers was game, but at the same time I think Brock Lesnar would have had an easier time controlling Rogers than Fedor did... Fedor looks like he doesn't train as hard as he used to (same with Arvloski fight). Still, brilliant performance from Fedor :D
I like Fedor's chances more against Werdum than Rogers just because of how powerful Rogers is. There is nothing that makes me think "oh shit Werdum will win."
Also, I hope Jake Shields can sign with the UFC to get shitkicked by GSP. I thought his performance was subpar, even though his cardio was better than he has shown. Jake Shields showed great positioning, hip placement, reversals, everything. He outmaneuvered Jason Miller on the ground and used his flexibility to reach around with his legs and constantly get in full mount, but it felt like he was really content with just keeping this a wrestling match and not an MMA match and that disappointed me. I found rounds 1 and 3 really entertaining because it was back and forth positioning trading submissions and what not, but the last 2 rounds really just seemed like LnP.
she didn't alter it in any way, the russian orthodox church is christian. Saying russian orthodox is interchangeable with eastern orthodox, christian orthodox, etc same fucking thing what are you arguing about
On November 08 2009 13:29 floor exercise wrote: she didn't alter it in any way, the russian orthodox church is christian. Saying russian orthodox is interchangeable with eastern orthodox, christian orthodox, etc same fucking thing what are you arguing about
she said "russian orthodox people" its like saying "american scientology people" its unprofessional to say the least we were talking about the translator, WHATS YOUR POINT?
On November 08 2009 13:33 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I'm not much of an mma fan, but does anybody else think that maybe this fight was ended too early? Like maybe he could've recovered?
No, he wasn't going to recover. Brett rogers was curling up towards the opposite side of Fedor and was clearly rocked. Fedor would have just unleashed 20 punches knocking Rogers unconscious. It was basically the least desirable position for Rogers and it was over.
-Not only that but Brett Rogers accepted his loss.
On November 08 2009 13:34 floor exercise wrote: She might have not used the word christian to not be confused with catholicism or some other denomination, is that the point you are trying to make?
in english orthodox on its own also pretty much always implies christianity when you're talking about eastern europeans in particular, anyone who needs to understand what was said will understand what was said, and the rednecks won't think he's being religiously prejudice which he's not, so it's win win
On November 08 2009 13:29 floor exercise wrote: she didn't alter it in any way, the russian orthodox church is christian. Saying russian orthodox is interchangeable with eastern orthodox, christian orthodox, etc same fucking thing what are you arguing about
she said "russian orthodox people" its like saying "american scientology people" its unprofessional to say the least we were talking about the translator, WHATS YOUR POINT?
in english orthodox on its own also pretty much always implies christianity when you're talking about eastern europeans in particular, anyone who needs to understand what was said will understand what was said, and the rednecks won't think he's being religiously prejudice which he's not, so it's win win
brilliant play by Fedor! seriously though.. I was afriad they might call it because fedor lost a bit of blood. brett rogers prob goin back to changin tires after this game
The difference was that Fedor's cut was below his eyes, so it wasn't going to be called off by a doctor. Fedor has had problems with cuts + bleeding, I am 99% sure his nose was broken from that jab.
And c'mon, Brett Rogers hung in there. He lasted longer than Arvloski, and had a way better fight than Tim Sylvia.
On November 08 2009 13:34 ColdLava wrote: No, he wasn't going to recover. Brett rogers was curling up towards the opposite side of Fedor and was clearly rocked. Fedor would have just unleashed 20 punches knocking Rogers unconscious. It was basically the least desirable position for Rogers and it was over.
-Not only that but Brett Rogers accepted his loss.
You're probably right. If there's one thing I noticed about Fedor it's that he never really gives up.
I'm convinced that his stand up fighting is based around odd-timed strikes. His punches come at the strangest fucking times and look like complete haymakers out of nowhere.
On November 08 2009 13:37 ColdLava wrote: The difference was that Fedor's cut was below his eyes, so it wasn't going to be called off by a doctor. Fedor has had problems with cuts + bleeding, I am 99% sure his nose was broken from that jab.
And c'mon, Brett Rogers hung in there. He lasted longer than Arvloski, and had a way better fight than Tim Sylvia.
i thought he was a former boxer then i looked him up and it seems he strictly did "mma training"( it usually equals trash unless youre size of a brock lesnar) fedor blasted him before rogers even reached halfway with his hook. So much faster. Thats what i expected from rogers, not fedor on the other hand, arlovski was a lot fasted but lacks boxing game and opened up terribly i think best contender would be an actual boxer that doesnt get submitted easily( someone like klitchko who even won kickboxing titles back in a day)
On November 08 2009 13:37 ColdLava wrote: The difference was that Fedor's cut was below his eyes, so it wasn't going to be called off by a doctor. Fedor has had problems with cuts + bleeding, I am 99% sure his nose was broken from that jab.
And c'mon, Brett Rogers hung in there. He lasted longer than Arvloski, and had a way better fight than Tim Sylvia.
ohhh i see i see. but they will still call it if they lose too much blood? and ya brett rogers did do good lol.. fedor beat him at his own game though
On November 08 2009 13:33 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I'm not much of an mma fan, but does anybody else think that maybe this fight was ended too early? Like maybe he could've recovered?
haha, no way. notice how long he took to even notice the fight was stopped? that means he was going to die. ;p
On November 08 2009 13:37 ColdLava wrote: The difference was that Fedor's cut was below his eyes, so it wasn't going to be called off by a doctor. Fedor has had problems with cuts + bleeding, I am 99% sure his nose was broken from that jab.
And c'mon, Brett Rogers hung in there. He lasted longer than Arvloski, and had a way better fight than Tim Sylvia.
ohhh i see i see. but they will still call it if they lose too much blood? and ya brett rogers did do good lol.. fedor beat him at his own game though
Well, personally I've never seen a fight called off because too much loss of blood. You'd have to think that if someone is on their way to being damaged enough to lose that much blood they would call it off before hand because of TKO or Knockout. Like, the person would probably have been knocked out before being given an opportunity to lose that much blood.
Shields vs Miller had its moments, but shields strikes were some of the weakest I had ever seen. (I don't watch THAT much mma). Miller had some great escapes though, and that was mostly what made it entertaining.
Fedor vs Rogers seemed like it was called a bit too early, imo. I understand the situation he was in, and it's better to end it before he starts eating shots and gets seriously damaged, but I think that one could have went on for a few more seconds. Considering how badly the fight started for Fedor, I was amazed he came through. Looked like he broke his nose or almost did, and getting hit in the nose, let alone like that, leaves you feeling really dizzy and off balance.
On November 08 2009 13:27 Freyr wrote: So, just to clarify, do YOU speak Russian?
better than russians
kid you are the only one acting angrily here by instantly dismissing people and providing no counter argument.
I have a friend who calls himself "Greek Orthodox"... I also have a friend who calls himself "Serbian Orthodox". I also have google and wikipaedia and I search them before I make statements.
Being of any certain religion does not exclude me from being knowledgeable about other religions.
i really wanted to end the argument, but you keep coming back? Did you hear your friend call himself "greek orthodox man"? Sounds dumb doesnt it. She said "russian orthodox people", you can either say russian orthodox or christian orthodox or combination of the two but you cant be using "orthodox people" as a professional translation and wtf with the "kid" and calling out a ban? stfu And this one.
On November 08 2009 13:47 MYM.Testie wrote: Shields vs Miller had its moments, but shields strikes were some of the weakest I had ever seen. (I don't watch THAT much mma). Miller had some great escapes though, and that was mostly what made it entertaining.
Fedor vs Rogers seemed like it was called a bit too early, imo. I understand the situation he was in, and it's better to end it before he starts eating shots and gets seriously damaged, but I think that one could have went on for a few more seconds. Considering how badly the fight started for Fedor, I was amazed he came through. Looked like he broke his nose or almost did, and getting hit in the nose, let alone like that, leaves you feeling really dizzy and off balance.
That's pretty much the summary of fedor's approach. He tricks people into thinking he's vulnerable and then uses certain insights he gained to know where they'll be and bam! This is why a lot of people say he's "lucky", because he always looks like he's "losing" before BAM! right in the kisser!
In McCarthy's defense Rogers started turning around and covering his face. Like one of the commentators said about the Gegard Mousasi stoppage, if
a) a fighter does not know where the punches are coming from and b) is not defending them
then he's not intelligently defending himself. Given the fact that Rogers just got rocked and made ABSOLUTELY no attempt to stand up besides cover and roll means he failed to intelligently (and there's that KEY word INTELLIGENTLY) defend himself.
On November 08 2009 13:52 food wrote: k im out this is ridic
Why do you suck so much as a human being? You're the most rude person I know on this forum, and I'm mostly a lurker. You've been nothing but wrong in most of your arguments that YOU start, and you act like a jerk the entire time.
You're an ass. Not even a funny one, you're just an ass.
I'm sorry, but I found the Shields vs. Miller fight to be a complete bore. It seemed to me that Shields fights with the purpose of slooowwwinggg thingggs downnnn. I realize that this is a more technical, wrestling approach to fighting but he was like a goddamn human backpack. Most of the match was him just hanging on Miller and hoping to wear him out. I'm hoping he fights somebody much better in his next fight and gets punched in the dome before he can become the human nuisance again.
oraaayt just finished watching the fedor fight. i thought rogers did a decent job in round one, that's the first time in a long time fedor's been hit like that. but man fedor is just wow. the guy just has really heavy hands man. amazing
On November 08 2009 14:40 AoN.DimSum wrote: overeem is next for fedor? How many fights until his contract is up? Do you guys think ufc hws will go to strikeforce to fight fedor?
"Emelianenko will likely face Fabricio Werdum for a chance to challenge the missing-in-action Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem.
Assuming the title is not vacated first." - from mmamania
Fedor's translator was better than the previous one but she was not great, they can do better.
Also I was pissed at all the commercials until i checked the timing, Strikeforce was pushing the fight back so Spike's UFC premiere would end first. Some viewership stealing tactics.
On November 08 2009 14:40 AoN.DimSum wrote: overeem is next for fedor? How many fights until his contract is up? Do you guys think ufc hws will go to strikeforce to fight fedor?
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Also I was pissed at all the commercials until i checked the timing, Strikeforce was pushing the fight back so Spike's UFC premiere would end first. Some viewership stealing tactics.
On November 08 2009 14:40 AoN.DimSum wrote: overeem is next for fedor? How many fights until his contract is up? Do you guys think ufc hws will go to strikeforce to fight fedor?
If I remember correctly, Fedor has a 3 fight contract with Strikeforce. They need to kick that piece of shit Overeem out and just have Fedor fight Werdum for the belt. I seriously doubt any UFC HWs would move to Strikeforce, especially considering things are getting pretty competitive in the UFC HW division now.
Fedor is notorious for getting cut/bruised easily. But a broken nose is the worst injury to get early on. Not because it hurts or makes you dizzy. But because it seriously disrupts your breathing. Due to the nature of the injury, blood will backflow in to your own throat, and clog your nose up. Forcing you to breathe throught he mouth. First off this now forces you to think about breathing technique and rhythm instead of it coming naturally. And second off, opening your mouth makes you MUCH more suceptible to a KO.
Overeem is becoming an animal. He beat Aerts and Badr Hari in K-1. However he's been fighting cans recently for no real fucking reason.
However as coldlava said, Overeem will not pass a piss test. He's getting ridiculosly big and he has all the stereotype traits to prove it. His brother got busted for roids a while ago... all points to one thing imo. Theres a picture documenting his massive growth over the past 2 years... it's pretty telling really.
Brett impressed me with his sub defence a lot. He should work his ground and pound in the future. Brett was in a potential tight armbar, and he caught the leg with his other arm and rolled away. That was quite slick, seeing as Fedor caught Coleman x2 + Hong man with that. He also powered out of a Kimura from side-mount. Very nice. Brett vs Werdum would be a good fight actually.
Did anyone else notice strikeforce delibrately pushing it back so it was on after the UFC counter-programming? Maybe I'm looking in to it too much, but that's some clever work by the promoters.
I told you all Fedor beats people at their own game. He tko'd the bigger more powerful striker, whilst standing. Everyone was expecting G and P or a sub.
And food, shut up. You don't know a damn thing about MMA as you've clearly demonstrated. I'll happily call you out on everything you've said and make you look like an idiot. I genuinely get pissed off when people like you just claim to know everything about MMA and back it up with absoloutely fuck all.
Oh and just one more thing, I've trained sambo for a few years now. The thing Fedor is throwing is not an overhand right. It's a sambo technique called a casting punch. You throw it from the hips and it's more of an indirect hook, so that if it misses you still have power in the wrist or even forearm should it hit. The point of it is it's a very fast powerful punch, and it's PERFECT to follow up with any sort of sambo throw. Notice how in the first round Fedor followed it up with a left casting punch/underhook throw. Because it's easy to fake the hook, as they immediately block the head. The hook position goes in deep around the body, and has all your power behind it. I think more Mixed marital artists should really look sambo up, It's easily the best training I've ever done.
However as coldlava said, Overeem will not pass a piss test. He's getting ridiculosly big and he has all the stereotype traits to prove it. His brother got busted for roids a while ago... all points to one thing imo. Theres a picture documenting his massive growth over the past 2 years... it's pretty telling really.
Wow dude I would love to hear more about your experiences in sambo. Like, if you see something in a fight you can relate it to an experience :O No wonder your posts are so good:D
Well that early cut was pretty unlucky and made me wonder..
I didnt even think the punch was that strong ? Strange..
And when Fedor got pounded on the ground I was surprised.. Never saw him that exposed before.. but then again look what he survived vs Randelman and others..
I have to rewatch the fight a few times but besides the cut ( broken nose ? ) and the ground pounding action Rogers didnt land that much..
Then again I was quite surprised how well he recovered from that hard punch from Fedor in Round 1..
And I dont think the fight was stopped too early..
but I have to take a closer look again but I think one more hit maybe.. But Rogers was really done for.. and more importantly I see no way he could have recovered from it.. imo..
On November 08 2009 16:38 Dr.Lettuce wrote: Oh and just one more thing, I've trained sambo for a few years now. The thing Fedor is throwing is not an overhand right. It's a sambo technique called a casting punch. You throw it from the hips and it's more of an indirect hook, so that if it misses you still have power in the wrist or even forearm should it hit. The point of it is it's a very fast powerful punch, and it's PERFECT to follow up with any sort of sambo throw. Notice how in the first round Fedor followed it up with a left casting punch/underhook throw. Because it's easy to fake the hook, as they immediately block the head. The hook position goes in deep around the body, and has all your power behind it. I think more Mixed marital artists should really look sambo up, It's easily the best training I've ever done.
Is this video correct? (I mean, the technique he is showing)
On looking more closely the fight was indeed stopped a tad too early.. than again Im wondering.. why ? was the ref afraid Fedor would do too much damage ? I mean Rogers wasnt unconcious and the punches from Fedor when Rogers was on the ground didnt really harm him..
I dont know.. I think the ref should have waited a bit longer now, as well..
but I think the fight was pretty much over anyway, considering how strong Fedor is in terms of subs & on the ground
Phil, do you honestly see Rogers getting out of the situation he was in? I know I'm talking about what "could or could not have happened" but he was rolling away with nothing to offer. Rolling away. He was semi-out, fully-scared, and was not going to do anything to get up, and not doing anything to stop Fedor from hammerfisting his way to a victory.
If he was logically thinking, he would have rolled into Fedor, tried to get into a defensive position (probably trying to settle with a half guard because Fedor would probably have been getting into side mount), and tried to do WHATEVER HE COULD to close the distance from Fedor, (i.e. grabbing Fedor's head and putting it in close, or holding Fedor around the waist trying to close the distance).
The mechanics of a HW match is different than with lighter weights. Often 1 punch is enough at the HW level whereas LWs can stand and trade all day w/o getting knocked out.
Fedor's punch was strong enough to knock out most HWs. Rogers was seriously rocked and did not get up after the fight was called. So you could say Rogers had some consciousness but he definitely did not know what he was doing. If the fight was prolonged, Fedor still would've finished by gnp or armbar.
Im 99 % sure Fedor would have come up with a certain follow up and ended the fight a few seconds later but as I said ( and as a huge Fedor fan this is certainly no bias ) the fight maybe was stopped a bit too early indeed..
I must say I underrated Rogers a bit and I have the feeling Fedors getting a bit old and weaker.. ( obviously ?? )
Well nono what I'm saying is that there's no way the fight was stopped too early. The ref perfectly read what Brett Rogers was going through, how he was reacting, and he stopped it because of that. And I'm not a huge Fedor fan (as in, I like him a lot, but I'm not a fanboy of Fedor... WANDERLEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII).
And I just think Fedor trains less than he used to. He has a family now, just got married, and spends a lot of time devoting himself to christianity, so he's definitely not where he was a few years ago compared to the competition. It's not that he's getting WORSE, he probably knows more techniques and times his punches etc. etc. better than he used to 5 years ago. But his conditioning is probably not where it used to be, and he's not improving at the rate that the competition is: Everyone in MMA is basically improving at a phenomenal rate due to the fact that training camps are really developing and that this sport is new (not the martial arts themselves, or even vale tudo, but the way we look at MMA with the UFC existing and the way it worked in Pride now is definitely a lot more developed, and almost every fighter is well rounded now).
Well i kinda had the impression after the ref stopped it Rogers was kinda surprised ? Maybe it was a sign of relief.. I dont know..
But actually Im much too new to this sport .. so my opinion or how i see the things are probably wrong most of the times.. So i have no problem in believing the more experienced watchers
I was really impressed with Rogers I must say. As a HUGE Fedor fanboy, I was hoping for a walkover. What i saw was anything but - Rogers has come a long way, and I hope he can continue to improve in the future. He is trying really, really hard.
That said, Fedor looked awesome - I think if he had not had his nose broken early on, he would have finished Rogers up much earlier.
Where are UFC fanboys??? they talked pretty loud, but i dont see them talk now ---------------------------------------------------- User received a temp-ban for this post.
On November 08 2009 19:16 Ichigo1234551 wrote: Where are UFC fanboys??? they talked pretty loud, but i dont see them talk now
What does this have to do with anything?
I didn't know there were "UFC Fanboys" on this forum. Where do you get that from? I think everyone here appreciates the shows Strikeforce has made and appreciates the shows UFC has made too. For that matter, I think everyone can enjoy a good Dream, KotC, IFC, or WEC match as long as the fighters are good. The UFC puts on good shows and when we make a thread about UFC 105 + 106 we will talk about the UFC there if we have to...
edit: I would make a case that the "Pride fanboys that can't let go of the fact that UFC puts on good fights meanwhile Pride died" are more annoying than "UFC fanboys"
On November 08 2009 13:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: It's 6 am, I need to sleep. Someone else can read back on this and see if there needs to be any bans handed out or not.
On November 08 2009 13:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: It's 6 am, I need to sleep. Someone else can read back on this and see if there needs to be any bans handed out or not.
I gotcha covered buddy.
I hope you won't miss food. He has been trolling during 4 or 5 pages ...
Anyway that was a cool fight, Brett did better than expected imo. Managed to escape two subs lasted one round and broke Fedor nose. Not too bad.
In a quest to make TL a fun place to hang out and talk about MMA without being ruined by all the shitfaced morons who think they have a clue can all of you please stop your pathetic attempts at seeming informed when you are clearly clueless. Every MMA site out there has forums filled with piles of crap please don't turn TL into that.
On November 08 2009 12:04 food wrote: i want this clown knocked the fuck out immediately
so far worst fight of the night
warn delete user info cant watch this garbage for 2 more rounds, going to wait for next fight
whoever came into MMA without proper background looks clumsy as fuck and horrible to watch. These guys dont kick dont punch even when they open
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
lol some booing id be pissed if i payed to see this
what if someone like klitchko comes into mma, i think he would murder fedor
i am politely calling you an idiot, stop fucking calling people names please im christian orthodox myself and some dumb aussie kid is going to spell it out for me? hahaha. You dont use word "orthodox" without word "christian" in this content. If you speak russian ill gladly listen to you
Can't even pick a single post that did it you're just an all-around worthless poster. 6 previous bans and no changes whatsoever. Cya.
On November 08 2009 19:16 Ichigo1234551 wrote: Where are UFC fanboys??? they talked pretty loud, but i dont see them talk now
Go. Away.
Two bans two warnings later maybe I'll be bothered to post something about the event later.
The ending is similar, but the performance overall seemed a bit lazy to me for the last two fights, especially surprised that he doesn't show his ground dominance, like vs herring, nog, maybe it's because his opponents are really huge lately.
The contrast between posters is laughable big thanks to all the good posts. Fedor looked amazing and I get that from what Dr.Lettuce wrote. Got his nose wacked and still had a great performance. How many punches do you get to throw before you need to roll out of an armbar? I'd say like 4-5. That's not even close to finishing off Fedor.
Every fight was entertaining I just have one major complaint and that is that in the version I saw they didn't show the entrance of Fedor or Rogers and that totally sucked.
ColdLava, I can't watch youtube links while I'm at work over here, computer doesn't have java
And yeah it does help, all the training and years of being involved with MMA really help me to watch a fight, and really understand what's happening (fingers crossed; if I can keep training in the summer I'm going to try and book my first pro-fight) My friends all tell me to shut the fuck up about it when ever we watch an event, because I tend to go on a bit
Magic - Fedor is getting a bit old, but he doesn't train like he used to. He's a family man now, and becoming very religious him and his trainers have openly admitted that Fedor trains much less than he used to.Infact I think he got married only a short while ago.
I think he takes great pleasure in beating people at their own games to be honest. Fedor is never considered an elite striker but he KO's strikers on the feet. He doesn't need it to go the ground, I once read a post that stated Fedor can just toy with people; to a large extent I really believe that. Any other top tier fighter would exploit strenght vs weakness, but not Fedor. It's just incredible to watch. It must actually be scary, to spend your whole life dedicated to a paticular art/style of fighting, and have another guy who not only excels in a different area to yours, but he beats you at your expertise. It just saps away your will to fight.
I would honestly love to see Fedor beat Brock and retire. That would be the perfect MMA career. The only person I wouldn't mind seeing him lose to would be some one like mousasi or some other young phenom, as an example of passing on the torch to the new elite fighters. MMA geeks like my self call this "the changing of the guard". I.E Royce to Hughes. Hughes to GSP.
I'm gonna miss Fedor when he goes, in fact I'm going to miss this whole generation as they pass on soon. This era of fighters has been the real boom of fighters finally getting some mainstream acceptance. I hate watching fighters I really admire call it a day, even more so I hate fighters who I really admire, not know when to call it a day. Yes Shamrock and Saku, I'm looking at you.
Dr.Lettuce wrote a pretty extensive analysis on fighting with a broken nose did you read this? If you did why do you ask? The nose was definitely broken (already stated by several posts you can account as truth-worthy)
And yes Fedor is known for getting cuts (stated twice or more before) and the punch was obviously hard enough to break his nose, force is not necessarily the most important factor, rather exactly were you hit the nose and from what angle.
Not trying to sound like a douche bag but it's like your thinking loud or something =)
Dr.Lettuce, i like your long posts, especially about the sambo.
Fedor is not that old of age and didn't take any punishment in his career, i think he just got very religious, exceptionally religious and patriotic, he only talks about Russia and God now, and became even calmer (if it was possible), all his hidden aggression in the ring disappeared and he refuses to be ferocious and brutal now. He's like the nicest, most warm-hearted dude on the planet now. Not sure if it's good for his fighting career, but it's probably the best scenario for him as a person.
Yeah sorry Magic84, I meant that by old, he's settling down. He no longer needs to fight for a living. He's married and religious, sounds like he's alot more religious than I previously thought. Fair play to him. (I think he has 2 daughters, but I honestly can't remember)
But he's been competing for a long time. 31 Professional MMA fights (almost a decade of MMA, against top competition, 15 years almost of Sambo with a few Judo tournaments), even if you don't lose or take beatings, takes it's toll on your body. Waking up early,dieting/training full time and pushing your body to it's limits makes you grow tired, and to every single fighter in the world at some point you have to look in the mirror and really say "Do I still want this?" Finding the motivation later on gets hard.
On top of this, He's been mixing Russian/European/World Sambo championships in. We can all make jokes about he's a machine, but he's still a man. He bleeds like the rest of us, and one day he is going to announce that he will not be stepping in the ring again. And hell, he'll have deserved a rest.
On November 08 2009 13:52 food wrote: k im out this is ridic
Why do you suck so much as a human being? You're the most rude person I know on this forum, and I'm mostly a lurker. You've been nothing but wrong in most of your arguments that YOU start, and you act like a jerk the entire time.
You're an ass. Not even a funny one, you're just an ass.
Suck so much as a human being? Isn't that obvious? He fails at life. He's like 26 and can barely support himself since he dropped out of school. True failure in life, yo.
On November 09 2009 02:24 floor exercise wrote: You are missing the most important gif Mousasi's incredible tripod sweep
Ok, I made one of that to in better quality and not as misleading, that gif makes it seem like he won because of that sweep. The sweep was at the end of round 1 and the beatdown that won Mousasi the fight was in round 2...
On November 09 2009 05:15 broz0rs wrote: the other great moment not captured in gifs is when Fedor jumped on top of Brett on the ground with a savage right hand that missed.
the fight was so hype. i wonder what the scene was like at the zuffa house. lol
Wow, great fight. I don't understand how anybody can hate that man. He just loves to fight and does his business in the ring. And he does it in a very entertaining fashion by taking the battle to his opponents. It's truly amazing what he's still doing at his age as well.
On November 09 2009 10:01 Klogon wrote: Wow, great fight. I don't understand how anybody can hate that man. He just loves to fight and does his business in the ring. And he does it in a very entertaining fashion by taking the battle to his opponents. It's truly amazing what he's still doing at his age as well.
On November 09 2009 10:01 Klogon wrote: Wow, great fight. I don't understand how anybody can hate that man. He just loves to fight and does his business in the ring. And he does it in a very entertaining fashion by taking the battle to his opponents. It's truly amazing what he's still doing at his age as well.
I agree with everything you said, except Fedor wouldn't.
According to him, MMA is not a passion. It's a mere job. Maybe that's why he's so good? He goes to work, does his job, go home. That's why he's never nervous... so he can always maintain his adrenaline levels at optimum level when most fighters (like Rogers) would have their adrenaline levels going thru the roof, disabling them from functioning at 100%.
just read the article about him with the large intreview in one the most famous magazines in Russia. It was written a week ago - before the fight.
Some points that i've liked:
- one of the ppl in the crowd remembered that a little time ago Fedor was defeated in the sambo division for the first time (from some Bolgarian Sambo fighter Ivanov). His response on that was "We also make mistakes" Then he proceeded to tell some differencies in pure sambo and MMA, that he likes more MMA as a fight "without your jacket" and you can go to the ground not just stand. - Fedor said: "now i'm gonna fight with Rogers, so i'm learning about his strong qualities. He has a huge phisical strength, knock-out punch, and explosive speed. I don't have a plan for the fight yet. Will fight according to what will happen in the cage - i will see what Rogers will suggest" - Fedor recently got married (and yes he has a daughter). So according to his coach he didn't practice a lot because of that. He's more into family now.
And i also think that his powers come from his religion - as he has no fear, he relies on God and believes that God will help him to win. That's where come his calmness and impressive aggressiveness from.
On November 10 2009 00:54 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: yo guys
just read the article about him with the large intreview in one the most famous magazines in Russia. It was written a week ago - before the fight.
Some points that i've liked:
- one of the ppl in the crowd remembered that a little time ago Fedor was defeated in the sambo division for the first time (from some Bolgarian Sambo fighter Ivanov). His response on that was "We also make mistakes" Then he proceeded to tell some differencies in pure sambo and MMA, that he likes more MMA as a fight "without your jacket" and you can go to the ground not just stand. - Fedor said: "now i'm gonna fight with Rogers, so i'm learning about his strong qualities. He has a huge phisical strength, knock-out punch, and explosive speed. I don't have a plan for the fight yet. Will fight according to what will happen in the cage - i will see what Rogers will suggest" - Fedor recently got married (and yes he has a daughter). So according to his coach he didn't practice a lot because of that. He's more into family now.
And i also think that his powers come from his religion - as he has no fear, he relies on God and believes that God will help him to win. That's where come his calmness and impressive aggressiveness from.
Fedor's mental strength is just astounding. I find myself approaching my first amateur fight and am honestly unable to sleep sometimes. I've trained my body for quite some time but my mind is still weak as hell. The crowd, the yells, the fight, my gameplan, and even my damn entrance music is coming into question.
Fedor doesn't get nervous and he doesn't buy into hype. He is supremely confident in his abilities. He doesn't maddog his opponents at the staredowns or weighins; he simply looks at them like another object in the room. He looks at his opponents the way many of us look at a burger were about to eat; he knows all he can do is eat he burger and all the burger can do is be eaten.
U might say hes been close to losing a few times now.. But when u have a record of 30:1 / 30:0 the word close is definitely wrong in the end..
But I have to say the mixture of Fedor not being as dominant as he used to be and Rogers being stronger than I thought made this a very nice fight to watch
On November 10 2009 02:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote: U might say hes been close to losing a few times now.. But when u have a record of 30:1 / 30:0 the word close is definitely wrong in the end..
But I have to say the mixture of Fedor not being as dominant as he used to be and Rogers being stronger than I thought made this a very nice fight to watch
I think he looks just as dominant as he's ever looked.
Maybe you are right.. actually I think I still make a difference between the fights i didnt see live or a few hours later and the ones i could witness live.. like.. the old fights i always knew what would happen now Im always a bit worried if Fedor can keep up the expectations..
amazing video ( imo ) btw:
If MMA was a more known sport Fedor would probably the most liked and coolest athlete on the planet..
there's a decent article about this on sherdog's homepage. newer fans of MMA hear all this praise towards Fedor, and are disappointed when he fights anything but a perfect fight ending in first round TKO.
Interesting article.. I mean actually even if Fedor loses one day ( He will if he doesnt quit at the right time ) he probably will be remembered as the greatest of all time never the less...
people don't like him because he is russian and doesn't fight in the UFC. people who just started watching MMA are very hostile to any great fighter thats not a part of the UFC. the same people scratch their heads when you say MMA and only know the sport as UFC
On November 10 2009 02:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote: U might say hes been close to losing a few times now.. But when u have a record of 30:1 / 30:0 the word close is definitely wrong in the end..
But I have to say the mixture of Fedor not being as dominant as he used to be and Rogers being stronger than I thought made this a very nice fight to watch
I think he looks just as dominant as he's ever looked.
yes.. in 2006 often times sAviOr looked like he was about to lose.. but no he just barely had enough to survive then one.. at the end it becomes appearent he was in control the entire time.. Sorry for relating this to Starcraft. But when I started idolizing sAviOr it was after I idolized Fedor.. So it was like they're the unstoppable Gods you know what I meanaaa?
On November 10 2009 02:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote: U might say hes been close to losing a few times now.. But when u have a record of 30:1 / 30:0 the word close is definitely wrong in the end..
But I have to say the mixture of Fedor not being as dominant as he used to be and Rogers being stronger than I thought made this a very nice fight to watch
I think he looks just as dominant as he's ever looked.
yes.. in 2006 often times sAviOr looked like he was about to lose.. but no he just barely had enough to survive then one.. at the end it becomes appearent he was in control the entire time.. Sorry for relating this to Starcraft. But when I started idolizing sAviOr it was after I idolized Fedor.. So it was like they're the unstoppable Gods you know what I meanaaa?
That's a good comparison, it went from "oh he's losing" to "oh he's raping" in the blink of an eye.
i hate josh gross. He's a smart guy but for some fucking reason he dumbs everything down while writing. Maybe he was just trying to fit in on sherdog and that sorta stuck to him.
ya that guys a dumbass. I dont think he actually watches fights at all. Brock is a big SOB but mauled? Ya right. Brock just ground and pounds. I mean not to take anything away from him but he gets by on shear athletic ability.
"He hasn't fought anyone that's on an elite level for at leats the last two years"
Lindland/Hunt/Coleman/Zulu are apparently elite level because that is who he fought two to four years ago. But Arlovski/Rogers/Sylvia are not. Where the fuck do they find these guys.
That was exactly my thought.. and it really annoys me how people can talk such crap.. T_T
Whats your take on the Fedor vs Rogers fight Nazgul ? Or are u watching mainly UFC ? Im not asking more than twice because I dont want to annoy u but ill give it one more try..
And can any.. anyone in here explain to me why there are people out there ( not posting private videos ) that are like.. yes.. Fedor vs Lesnar would be the best fight ever and prove who of the both is better ? Bullshit.. even if Lesnar wins.. Why are people saying that if Fedor lost to Rogers he wouldnt be the best anymore..
Why are people even putting Fedor and Lesnar on the same level when Fedor achieved so much more ?
White is just an idiot.. why cant people be honest ? Fedor is the best in the histor of MMA.. He doesnt want to / can't fight for UFC.. he is still the best.. but noo..
since fedor cant / doesnt fight for the UFC .. all the other fighters are better and .. oh well ill drop it.. its just so ridicolous..
Those lucky enough to attend the Paradise Warrior Retreat Center luncheon Sunday in Hoffman Estates, Ill., following Saturday’s Strikeforce/M-1 Global “Fedor vs. Rogers” got a real treat.
Fedor Emelianenko watched his seven-minute bout with Brett Rogers for the first time and broke down his thoughts on his performance through his interpreter.
Here are some highlights:
On letting Rogers’ first strike slip through: “Well, as it happens with me pretty often, I missed the first punch, which really wasn’t very painful, but I got cut. But to tell the truth, Brett is a very strong and dangerous opponent, and when I tried to take him down, he was very slippery because he was sweating. I was trying to control the situation. In the course of the fight, I could feel that I had the dominant position, and was in control, and instead Brett was leaving his positions.”
On the second round: “In the second round, now that I can see it, what I tried to do was use different speeds -- attack, clinch, attack, clinch -- to (get) him tired. Looking at his game, I could see that he was getting loose, he’s getting tired and then I managed to catch his certain movements” for the knockdown punch.
On fighting in the cage for the first time: “I didn’t think about that that much, but I didn’t have any complications or difficulties. (Fighting) in the cage is a little bit different than the ring, but we worked hard and I learned some special (techniques) from my trainers.”
On the mental game: “When I go into the ring, I try not to think of the victory or the loss. I’m preparing for the fight and I hope that everything will go the way it needs to go today.”
On what he learned from the fight: “I still have some gaps in my techniques, in my skills, and that’s why my trainers press me hard to work hard and improve. In spite of the fact that they try to work me hard and make my game perfect, I still, in some places, I look a little bit clumsy.”
On humility: “I am the way that I am, but I always remember that the harder a person gets, the more it hurts to fall down. That’s why I think about all the results (that come from) what I do in a calm way. Also, I try to treat all people the same way. We’re all human beings, with two arms, two legs and all of us are equal in front of God.”
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There is a high chance this will be an ez rape. Arlovski was just so much more dangerous with his boxing and straight punches, even though Rogers koed him.
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