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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 03 2014 19:03 GMT
#1801
What a messy system; it would be nice if, instead, they had some deterministic seeding.
Liquipedia
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-03 19:22:20
July 03 2014 19:20 GMT
#1802


congrats to HugS! Kinda hard to find info on this team tho (other than they're sponsored by LSTN), I don't think they even have a website ...
Writerptrk
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 03 2014 19:34 GMT
#1803
On July 04 2014 04:03 Elyvilon wrote:
What a messy system; it would be nice if, instead, they had some deterministic seeding.

They even had a SSBM event last year! Just seed according to last year's event, it would be barely more work than random seeding and definitely less work than what they are doing and fairer than both. WTF, EVO.
Liquipedia
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 12:46:12
July 04 2014 12:45 GMT
#1804
I'd imagine a decent system would be that they take one person for each region who knows the region and who then seeds like the 20 best players in the region in order, it's not that important how the players outside like top 50-top 100 are seeded but you can't have first round matches like that.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
July 05 2014 01:15 GMT
#1805
You can't really have players, or even friends of players, seeding a tournament.

It has to be somewhat objective.
Writer@WriterYamato
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 06 2014 18:24 GMT
#1806
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 07 2014 04:20 GMT
#1807
go right ahead and create what you want why do you need to ask permission o.o
Writer
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 07 2014 13:31 GMT
#1808
man finals of koc4 were so good
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 07 2014 17:38 GMT
#1809
On July 07 2014 22:31 flamewheel wrote:
man finals of koc4 were so good


Yep, super tense all the way through, was a sick finals.
TranslatorBaa!
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
736 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-07 18:44:37
July 07 2014 18:44 GMT
#1810
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 07 2014 19:00 GMT
#1811
On July 08 2014 03:44 Fazers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!


smashboards.com
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 07 2014 19:23 GMT
#1812
On July 08 2014 04:00 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 03:44 Fazers wrote:
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!


smashboards.com

What you can learn from there is pretty limited, there's no decent falco guides around. Actually the only decent guide I've seen period is CunningKitsune's and it has 95% fluff
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-07 20:01:00
July 07 2014 20:00 GMT
#1813
Is smashboards.com better than it used to be? I visited it like 5 years ago a couple times and it was filled with trolling and terrible spelling/grammar with an ugly background and then I stopped going there.
Liquipedia
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 07 2014 20:33 GMT
#1814
RIP General LR thread
Writerptrk
Heart Buster
Profile Joined April 2013
Japan32 Posts
July 07 2014 20:33 GMT
#1815
Smashboards quality mostly consists of the opinions of the pros.

For Falco the quality is in all of PPMDs and Mogwai's posts. There's a Falco Matchup Guide created a while ago that's still very much relevant.

Top quality guides are very hard to make for Smash Brothers because there are essentially way too many situations in a single matchup to cover everything.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
July 07 2014 20:44 GMT
#1816
On July 08 2014 04:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 04:00 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 08 2014 03:44 Fazers wrote:
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!


smashboards.com

What you can learn from there is pretty limited, there's no decent falco guides around. Actually the only decent guide I've seen period is CunningKitsune's and it has 95% fluff


There's so much content here from beginner stuff all the way to frame data. What are you talking about?

I've noticed in every thread you really have a tendency to sound self-confident with no justification whatsoever.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 07 2014 20:54 GMT
#1817
On July 08 2014 04:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 04:00 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 08 2014 03:44 Fazers wrote:
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!


smashboards.com

What you can learn from there is pretty limited, there's no decent falco guides around. Actually the only decent guide I've seen period is CunningKitsune's and it has 95% fluff


yeah definitely there's nothing there that could be useful to a player of 3 months

<_<
Heart Buster
Profile Joined April 2013
Japan32 Posts
July 07 2014 21:03 GMT
#1818
The Falco boards are a really interesting read. You can see the lessons taken from each oldschool player to progress the Falco metagame. Like from DaShizWiz's laser control to PPMD's calculated dash dance style and the like.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-07 21:12:49
July 07 2014 21:06 GMT
#1819
On July 08 2014 05:44 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 04:23 Shikyo wrote:
On July 08 2014 04:00 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 08 2014 03:44 Fazers wrote:
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!


smashboards.com

What you can learn from there is pretty limited, there's no decent falco guides around. Actually the only decent guide I've seen period is CunningKitsune's and it has 95% fluff


There's so much content here from beginner stuff all the way to frame data. What are you talking about?

I've noticed in every thread you really have a tendency to sound self-confident with no justification whatsoever.

It's true that it compiles things like hitboxes and frame data and some other misc. information but that's not really what I consider very helpful for teaching you how to actually play. It's like those gamefaqs guides that teach you moves and give superfluous descriptions about how that and that move can be used without being actually helpful. Some of the "give advice on my video" responses are pretty useful when they concentrate on the important things but few actually, once again, teach you how to actually play. You also need to dig very deep and read potentially hundreds of pages to get a decent amount of useful information, which is not what I would expect out of a guide. A basic flowchart would be a decent starting point to have. I'd like to ideally create something very detailed.

Perhaps some of it is useful to a player of 3 months but I'm not sure if a player like that is able to filter all the incorrect information in there as well. Posts by known players are safer of course.

I also admit to speaking overly confidently / dismissing better players, it's a negative habit of mine.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 07 2014 21:20 GMT
#1820
On July 08 2014 06:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 05:44 hariooo wrote:
On July 08 2014 04:23 Shikyo wrote:
On July 08 2014 04:00 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 08 2014 03:44 Fazers wrote:
On July 07 2014 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
Mm we always have the players seed and I'd say that they are generally extremely accurate but I guess there might be complications with such a large event. Another method would be to seed by every region's power ranking although those change all the time as well...


By the way, would it be all right if I were to create a Falco thread/guide?

Can you please write a guide? I've only been playing for 3 months and would love to learn more about Falco..
If not, links that can point me towards more resources!


smashboards.com

What you can learn from there is pretty limited, there's no decent falco guides around. Actually the only decent guide I've seen period is CunningKitsune's and it has 95% fluff


There's so much content here from beginner stuff all the way to frame data. What are you talking about?

I've noticed in every thread you really have a tendency to sound self-confident with no justification whatsoever.

It's true that it compiles things like hitboxes and frame data and some other misc. information but that's not really what I consider very helpful for teaching you how to actually play. It's like those gamefaqs guides that teach you moves and give superfluous descriptions about how that and that move can be used without being actually helpful. Some of the "give advice on my video" responses are pretty useful when they concentrate on the important things but few actually, once again, teach you how to actually play. You also need to dig very deep and read potentially hundreds of pages to get a decent amount of useful information, which is not what I would expect out of a guide. A basic flowchart would be a decent starting point to have. I'd like to ideally create something very detailed.

Perhaps some of it is useful to a player of 3 months but I'm not sure if a player like that is able to filter all the incorrect information in there as well. Posts by known players are safer of course.

I also admit to speaking overly confidently / dismissing better players, it's a negative habit of mine.


I'd readily admit that smash guides on the whole aren't very good, but saying smashboards is very limited in its information is just not true. Definitely limited by the person's patience, though, so that much is correct.

Better tutorials just haven't come along, it's as though we as a community stopped caring about catering to newer players somewhere around 07. So yeah, if you actually got around to making one it'd be pretty sweet but until then Mogwai's stuff and the occasional PPMD posts are the best things out there.
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