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]343[
United States10328 Posts
 Saw some sick matches off stream (Druggedfox vs Ice, Druggedfox vs S2J; I hope they were recorded?)Top 8 was pretty hype to watch, and I guess I have to give it to Hbox for being so absurdly clutch. Was still sad though. I wish Plup wouldn't give up in the middle of sets  ((((((I got 3rd in my pool, losing to Scythe 2-1 2-0... he beat CIZ (another pool's 1 seed) later so I didn't feel so bad hehhh. guess I should've seeded myself higher :^) | ||
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t3tsubo
Canada682 Posts
On July 18 2016 11:02 motbob wrote: The Hbox hate is perfectly grounded in reality, or was. He would replace amazing matchups with terrible ones. It was especially bad when Hbox gets matched up against Mew2king or something where you may as well not watch the set. If it's a choice between M2k vs Mango and M2k vs. Hbox, you can understand why people would be peeved to be given the latter. But now I find Hbox vs. Armada/Mango/Leffen to be suuper entertaining. Not sure if the matchup's changed over time or if I've just learned to appreciate it. And of course this last finals set was one of the greatest of all time. Did you ever pay that $20 for losing the bet about registration numbers? https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/4aehz7/too_late_for_melee/d104k6m?context=10000 | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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RKC
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Sorry, I don't follow Smash Brothers at all, but was following SFV at Evo purely as a casual spectator. I was rooting for any character except Nash. From my limited knowledge of the game, Nash just seemed such a pain to play against, if not slightly overpowered (that his super has him sneaking behind the opponent and smashing their backs going all like "Surprise, bitches!" only feeds the perception further). The victory was probably well-deserved, but I really wanted Fuudo to win (Mika's moves are such a joy to watch). Then again, the most of the crowd was still behind Infiltration. Anyways, my point is, I totally get the feeling of watching an unlikable character (at least to me) go all the way to win the finals. | ||
Spazer
Canada8036 Posts
I also enjoy watching Hbox play puff, so overall, I'm pretty pleased with how this Evo turned out. On July 19 2016 05:38 KalWarkov wrote: posted my subjective Top 32 Melee ranking on reddit. thoughts and opinions? who should be lower/higher? PPMD/Hax$ not in cuz too inactive imo + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2hCJF2h.jpg) What's the difference between tier 1 and 1.5? | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 19 2016 05:38 KalWarkov wrote: posted my subjective Top 32 Melee ranking on reddit. thoughts and opinions? who should be lower/higher? PPMD/Hax$ not in cuz too inactive imo + Show Spoiler + Leffen > Mang0 imo. But obviously this is hard to say because of how little Leffen has been able to travel. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19270 Posts
On July 20 2016 07:37 Spazer wrote: There's a fair amount of puff hate in the smash community. If anything, I'd compare it to how Elena was perceived in SF4. I don't think Nash is anywhere near that level of notoriety yet. I also enjoy watching Hbox play puff, so overall, I'm pretty pleased with how this Evo turned out. What's the difference between tier 1 and 1.5? 0.5 | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
i think it means something like "this is tier 2 but it's too small to be it's own tier," approximately | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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RKC
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The_Red_Viper
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Ryzel
United States568 Posts
On July 20 2016 10:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: Why do you think puff is imba/cheesy? I don't see any other puff playing close to that lvl, i think that alone speaks for how good Hbox really is tbh This. I get that it might not be as flashy to watch for most, but I get this vibe from people hating Hbox that's like "oh he only wins because he plays Puff, who's a cheap/lame/campy fighter". If Puff is that good of a fighter then why are there not more Puffs? If people are competitive and want to win games they should put their money where their mouth is and main Puff, who's winning all the tournaments. But they won't, because the patience required to play Puff at that level is too damn high, so they're bitter instead that someone else can do what they can't and complain about it. That's the impression I get from Hbox haters. | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On July 20 2016 10:04 RKC wrote: If Puff is rather cheesy or imba, why do a lot of the other top players not play it (at least, based on what I see from the final Evo rankings)? Honour? The philosophy of Melee isn't Puff but Fox. You get more sensations playing fast paced chars. Plus Fox is the best character on paper. As for the tier list, can't say without seeing Leffen play at EVO. Had he won, he should have been #1. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Like I said, I don't follow the game. I wouldn't know if Puff or any other character is cheesy or imba. My question was purely hypothetical and rhetorical. Yeah, I find it strange that a lot of fans be hating on Puff - if it was OP, why don't other players use it then? Just trying to get to the root of the hate, that's all. | ||
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Ryzel
United States568 Posts
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
Most top players beat Hbox before, it's only since 2016 iirc that he became dominant. People don't hate puff because it's OP or anything, it's more because the char is boring at high level, even more than Peach or Sheik. Plus Mango and Hbox were not getting along in the past and Mango has a HUGE fan base so it didn't help. Players don't switch char for puff because on paper he isn't the best and it's kind of a waste of time, 5 players were absolutely dominant not too long ago and no matter your char you wouldn't have a chance of winning tourneys. | ||
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Archeon
3275 Posts
On July 20 2016 10:04 RKC wrote: If Puff is rather cheesy or imba, why do a lot of the other top players not play it (at least, based on what I see from the final Evo rankings)? Honour? Puff is a bit cheesy but certainly not imba. The main problem with Puff is that she's hard to chain and has a few death combos but can't chain much either. She turns most matchups into both sides fishing for hits and slowly racking up damage until either side dealt enough damage and sees an opportunity to land a killing blow. She's just not flashy and stops the enemy from being flashy as well. On July 20 2016 23:00 Ryzel wrote: What I personally never understood was why Hbox gets so much hate for maining Puff while Armada mained Peach and I heard no complaints, when Peach is arguably just as anti-Fox in playstyle as Puff is. Pretty sure Armada gets a lot of flag for his campy peach style as well. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Ultimately, the feeling is that such players are less deserving of their victory because they're waiting and praying their opponents don't hit top form and tear through their defences no matter what. That they're playing not to lose and hoping to win, rather than playing to win (of course, in reality, there may be little difference between the two). Interesting discussion so far! I'm always curious to learn about the state of the game for games I don't play. | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
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