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Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
July 15 2012 22:04 GMT
#4841
So I don't recall seeing this posted before.

All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
Dullahan
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States248 Posts
July 15 2012 22:14 GMT
#4842
Sakuya x Homura = best team

[image loading]
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#4843
That pic doesn't add up. Everyone in that picture is either a self-proclaimed magician or "magical girl", except for Sakuya. Why is she there?
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
July 15 2012 22:47 GMT
#4844
sakuya and homura both control time?
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 23:35:35
July 15 2012 23:34 GMT
#4845
Okay, let's break this down.

Present in the picture (from left to right) are Marisa, Madoka, Sakuya, Homura, Alice, Sayaka, Byakuren, Kyouko, Patchouli, and Mami. We know that the connecting theme for all ten characters is magic. We can safely ignore the cast of Puella Magi Madoka Magica during this analysis, as all five are "magical girls" by definition, with each having some degree of magical ability. Since they are inherently magical, and anyone who has some familiarity with that show knows it, they are irrelevant, because their function is already known. Therefore, we shall analyze the Touhou cast.

In ZUN's Gensoyko, there is no canon "magical girl" term in use. Instead, there is a species of "magicians", whom are designated as such via natural ability, transformation into youkai, or sheer talent as a human. Patchouli is a natural magician, having been born as one. Alice and Byakuren were both initially humans, yet they eventually shifted to the magician species after a time due to a catalyst localized in magic. Specifically, Alice's change can be attributed to some specialized training that occurred relatively recently, while Byakuren's search for immortality led to the pursuit of black magic that transformed her into a youkai. Marisa, while not a youkai or a natural magician, is clearly adept with magical arts to the point where she can be dubbed a magician by profession.

Sakuya, via the power of the Luna Dial, can manipulate time and, to a lesser degree, space. However, it is never stated, neither in canon nor any fanon that I'm aware of, that she is actually a magician. She's a human who wields a power that cannot be obtained just from training (see: Perfect Memento of Strict Sense); therefore, some nexus of magic must be harnessed to use said power. A magician would likely be able to manipulate a power like Sakuya's without an artifact like the Dial. Additionally, Sakuya's dialogue from Embodiment of Scarlet Devil implies she is not a magician by trade, nor a youkai magician:

+ Show Spoiler [EoSD pre-battle dialogue] +
Sakuya: You're getting in the way of my cleaning again.
Marisa: Oh, wow, a maid. I'll be arrested under the Washington Convention if I catch you.
Sakuya: Oh my, magicians are actually more in need of mercy.
Marisa: Have mercy.
Sakuya: Well? Were you also hired to work here?
Marisa: Ah, that's also good.
Sakuya: But you don't look like someone who can even clean.
Marisa: I can't.
Sakuya: So, what is your duty? Love slave?
Marisa: More like maintenance.
Sakuya: What's that? We're not in elementary school.
Marisa: You saying love slaves belong in junior high?
Sakuya: Well then, I shall have you start your work immediately. I forgot to introduce myself. I am Sakuya, the chief maid.
Marisa: So if I beat you, I become chief maid, right?
Sakuya: More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
Marisa: Ah, that's a pretty average amount. If you say it like that, that is.
Sakuya: Your time is mine... An old-fashioned witch doesn't stand a chance.


The italicized lines are the relevant ones. I doubt a magician would talk shit about another magician in that sort of contemptuous manner; it's like Sakuya distances herself from Marisa's being a magician.


Given all the above, I think it is safe to say that Sakuya Izayoi does not meet the qualifications of connection implied in the picture, and thus creates an inconsistency.

Q.E.D.

+ Show Spoiler +
Holy fuck, I spent 40 minutes writing this.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
July 15 2012 23:54 GMT
#4846
fufufu, how naive of you Archas

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[image loading]
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
July 15 2012 23:59 GMT
#4847
Goddamn it.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Dullahan
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States248 Posts
July 16 2012 00:16 GMT
#4848
lol nice

Also a simpler answer to the original question: Because it's cool.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
July 16 2012 00:18 GMT
#4849
Fuck simplicity. The more (unnecessary) detail, the better.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 00:33:05
July 16 2012 00:32 GMT
#4850
I think the real answer is, because gensokyo ran out of magicians, and sakuya was the next closest thing that artist could think of.

aka lazy artist yaaaaaaaaaay
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
July 16 2012 01:42 GMT
#4851
On July 16 2012 09:32 dkpl wrote:
I think the real answer is, because gensokyo ran out of magicians, and sakuya was the next closest thing that artist could think of.

aka lazy artist yaaaaaaaaaay

Nope, there's another.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
jjsalmon22
Profile Joined July 2012
United States31 Posts
July 16 2012 01:53 GMT
#4852
ok... the songs in this thread have made me want to start learning piano
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 02:52:38
July 16 2012 02:51 GMT
#4853
[QUOTE]On July 16 2012 08:34 Archas wrote:
Okay, let's break this down.
+ Show Spoiler [EoSD pre-battle dialogue] +
Sakuya: You're getting in the way of my cleaning again.
Marisa: Oh, wow, a maid. I'll be arrested under the Washington Convention if I catch you.
Sakuya: Oh my, magicians are actually more in need of mercy.
Marisa: Have mercy.
Sakuya: Well? Were you also hired to work here?
Marisa: Ah, that's also good.
Sakuya: But you don't look like someone who can even clean.
Marisa: I can't.
Sakuya: So, what is your duty? Love slave?
Marisa: More like maintenance.
Sakuya: What's that? We're not in elementary school.
Marisa: You saying love slaves belong in junior high?
Sakuya: Well then, I shall have you start your work immediately. I forgot to introduce myself. I am Sakuya, the chief maid.
Marisa: So if I beat you, I become chief maid, right?
Sakuya: More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
Marisa: Ah, that's a pretty average amount. If you say it like that, that is.
Sakuya: Your time is mine... An old-fashioned witch doesn't stand a chance.


Holy crap eosd dialogue was really this weird? Maybe its cause its marisa. Line by line its like "Wait, what? What?" repeat ad nasuem.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
July 16 2012 03:16 GMT
#4854
Marisa + Madoka = LOVEEEEEEE
Sakuya + Homura = Time
Alice + Sayaka = humans who turn into witches (most tenuous one, but who else fits)
Byakuren + Kyoko = selfish people who turned into selfless savior type things ppl stuff
Patchouli + Mami = traditional magical pplz
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
July 16 2012 03:19 GMT
#4855
My experience with ZUN written dialouge is its always like that.
All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 16 2012 07:09 GMT
#4856
On July 16 2012 10:53 jjsalmon22 wrote:
ok... the songs in this thread have made me want to start learning piano


My whole music playlist consists mainly of piano-styled touhou songs from kkcwkoh on youtube. I've also taken to learning to play "sakura sakura" on my piano keyboard. Not actually being able to play or read sheet music makes this kinda challenging so I have to learn from videos haha.

Tell me what you guys think of this piece. Probably my favorite one.



Also first post on the touhou thread, but long time lurker
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 16 2012 12:09 GMT
#4857
so i've been playing this game

basically, nobunaga's ambition with touhous.

the character art isn't the best thing ever, but its playable

cirno is oda nobunaga, and reisen has only one eye lololololol
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Dullahan
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States248 Posts
July 16 2012 15:27 GMT
#4858
On July 16 2012 12:16 Kaneh wrote:
Alice + Sayaka = humans who turn into witches (most tenuous one, but who else fits)


Swords?
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 19:57:11
July 16 2012 19:56 GMT
#4859
On July 16 2012 16:09 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 10:53 jjsalmon22 wrote:
ok... the songs in this thread have made me want to start learning piano


My whole music playlist consists mainly of piano-styled touhou songs from kkcwkoh on youtube. I've also taken to learning to play "sakura sakura" on my piano keyboard. Not actually being able to play or read sheet music makes this kinda challenging so I have to learn from videos haha.

Tell me what you guys think of this piece. Probably my favorite one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NBYWRcry0s&list=PLFB51BF3B17D3624F&index=90&feature=plpp_video

Also first post on the touhou thread, but long time lurker


I liked it a lot. I thought it was a circle arrangement, not a self-arrangement. The bass is pretty simple, but as a harmony its pleasant (as opposed to the the notes taking an unexpected turn). The 16th note kick-off at 1:24 is amazing. Violin, piano and drums = best combination. Also, the picture makes me think its a suika arrange because other videos used the same one.

+ Show Spoiler [Flawless Clothing of the Celestials PV] +
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:32:05
July 16 2012 21:31 GMT
#4860
I was bored, so I decided to write a short story.

+ Show Spoiler +
The old man was dying.

We all knew there was naught to be done for him. The old man, once so vigorous and hale, was slowly succumbing to the incurable illness. My heart ached to see him in such a state; this man had, just months ago, been cheerfully spreading the words and law of our God to the temple visitors, or assisting the village people in their daily tasks. What a vibrant personality he had exhibited! Even those who traveled a path ill-suited for the Faith could not help but admire the man. Hardly a week went by without one of the villagers venturing to our temple to express their gratitude for his selflessness and charity. From the very moment the old man inherited his dharma name, he had worked solely toward the betterment of his fellows.

No longer. Lying before me was a husk, the near-skeletal remains of what was once a proud and noble monk. The glint in his eyes had dimmed, and every breath was a struggle. A warrior to the last, our old friend…

He had led a long, fruitful life, full of joy and wonder. I knew that his time was exhausted, but it pained me no less to understand that simple truth. Surely there was a less agonizing end to the First Life. Surely, he had earned more than this! Surely, he could...

Sitting at the old man’s bedside, these thoughts consumed me all at once, and my discipline faltered. My vision grew blurry with tears. Tears of rage, grief, sadness. It wasn’t fair! He deserved better! A more noble soul could not be found, and yet he lies here, wasting away from the illness, wracked by pain in every waking moment! Could nothing be done?!

“Dry your tears, my child.”

It was the old man, having just awakened from another of his increasingly frequent slumbers. The remark struck me like a blow, though he meant no unkindness in his words. Rather, the impact of his words shamed me. I was weeping for a man that would return once more after departing his mortal shell. There was no need to mourn one who, having achieved nirvana, would again grace the world with his presence.

I gently grasped his hand, childishly wishing that such a futile gesture would keep him in this world. “How… are you feeling, Master?”

The old man, my cherished mentor, mustered a weak smile. “Do not worry for me. All is as it should be. Though my time is short, you must not mourn for me.”

“I hear the truth in your words, but… it’s so difficult to…”

My master uttered a short laugh, though his weakened body twisted the sound into something monstrous. “Your devotion is flattering, my child, but do not let emotion cloud your senses. This is all part of the cycle…” His words trailed off, eyes losing focus even as they remained locked on my own.

All became a whirlwind in my mind. Panic gripped me as the teachings, the Faith, the Eightfold Path, escaped me in that moment of terror. No, not yet! There is more I must say! I whispered his name, gently shook his hand. No response was availed… yet something was amiss. His breathing, labored as it was, continued. His grip on my own hands remained. The old man was not dead… yet something had afflicted him.

Suddenly, his focus returned. A spark of life emerged as the familiar glint appeared in my master’s eyes. And he spoke, not with the monumental effort of a man soon to die, but with the same vitality that defined his life:

“Scroll. Fetch me a scroll.”

“What? I… I don’t…”

“Fetch the scroll. Quickly!” Such force of voice was unheard of in the old man. He was always soft-spoken; firm at times, yes, but never one to raise his voice unnecessarily. Driven partly by the request of a dying man, and partly by confusion from such a strange reaction, I released my grasp on the master’s hand and withdrew a scroll and quill from the bedside chest with all haste.

“Listen closely, my child. Do not question the things I will ask you to pen, for I am not long for this world. Do as you are told.”

I readied the quill, even as a kind of fear crept into the back of my mind. This man before me was not the master I knew. What was happening?

“The young girl who frequents the shrine. The transcendent, the Itinerant One. She will show us the way.”

“Master, I don’t—“

“Write it down!”

The old man had… shouted at me. Behavior in defiance of every facet of his personality. I was shocked, but retained the presence of mind to put to paper this mysterious phrase. Scarcely did I finish before he spoke again, more hoarsely than before.

“Foe becomes friend, and friend to foe. An unholy savior sees the virtue of the darkest light. Penitence exacted for a kindness unshared.”

Madness. The old man was succumbing at last to the ravages of the illness. He was babbling incoherencies, nothing more than —

“WRITE IT DOWN!!”, the master bellowed. Such strength did his outburst take that his mouth contorted in a demonic fashion. Blood trickled from his split lips, as he began to tremble unconsciously; whether by excitement or insanity, I could not say.

Terror now ran wild through my body, the sheer incomprehensibility of what was transpiring nearly paralyzing my actions. “Master, what is happening? I don’t understand!”, I pled… though I did as he demanded.

The old man ignored me, and persisted in his mania. “Fear of power lost leads to fear of those who wield that power. The thousand-year crucible will be shattered by unsuspecting hands. The land will know the Lotus!”

The glint in his eyes shone, an impossible radiance that threatened to blind me. Slowly, the light subsided, to reveal… the old dying man. Whatever otherworldly vigor had possessed him had departed, leaving a creature even more pitiful than before. He spoke once more, in a tremulous whisper that seemed ready to collapse.

“… Remember the name… the one who guides the Lotus… Myouren…”

His time was at an end. The shock from that supernatural event nearly kept me from seeing it, but I caught it in time. Today, this man would die.

I waited silently, for he had more to impart upon me, though his voice became ever fainter. I strained to make out his dying words.

“…-eda no Aichi… -ust know… -ll her…”

His eyes closed. His breathing all but ceased. Silence so profound it became almost deafening.

Then my master spoke one final word.

+ Show Spoiler +
"Na... mu... san...”
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