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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
August 27 2008 03:55 GMT
#81
im interested in the mass ghost game too.

on another note, boxer might return to skt1, so then he`ll be mentored/coached by oov.... what a reversal of roles
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
August 27 2008 04:18 GMT
#82
i think forgg has enough flair to get some interest going. His games against jaedong in the msl were some of the best tvz i've ever seen. however, i would love to see boxer make a comeback
Stork's biggest fan
mstercrack
Profile Joined May 2007
United States43 Posts
August 27 2008 04:24 GMT
#83
holy shit once boxer comes back THOSE days will come. Staying up all night watch him play. Cant wait
West - Silvertear
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 27 2008 04:36 GMT
#84
On August 26 2008 21:14 Drazzzt wrote:
The way he not only pulverized the records, all other sprinters and the aforementioned spirit without giving a shit about the other contestants (he didn't even look at them), felt like a clap in the face of all clean athletes.


From a New York Times article (link):

Later, at the medal news conference, Bolt said it was obvious that the hamstring injury Gay sustained this summer at the United States trials in Eugene, Ore. — which kept him from running the 200 meters here — had hampered his preparation for the 100. Bolt, 21, graciously said he wanted to wish his rival godspeed, and to see him challenging soon.




In this interview,

Bolt says that he is friendly with Asafa Powell and has fun with him during training.

Asafa Powell and Tyson Gay were his two biggest rivals going into Beijing and these two pieces of evidence demonstrate that he does care about them. Failing to look at his opponents after a race is absolutely not strong evidence to the contrary.

I didn't quote any other part of your post because there were really no other arguments. Feel free to give strong evidence that contradicts mine, but in the meantime, do not publicly say so many negative things about Usain Bolt.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-27 08:13:01
August 27 2008 08:11 GMT
#85
On August 27 2008 13:36 NonY[rC] wrote:
Asafa Powell and Tyson Gay were his two biggest rivals going into Beijing and these two pieces of evidence demonstrate that he does care about them. Failing to look at his opponents after a race is absolutely not strong evidence to the contrary.

I didn't quote any other part of your post because there were really no other arguments. Feel free to give strong evidence that contradicts mine, but in the meantime, do not publicly say so many negative things about Usain Bolt.


As I endorse freedom of opinion, I can definitely utter such strong opinions, even if they are negative towards Usain Bolt. I expressed my feelings about the olympic races and the role Usain Bolt played and I know from discussions with others that I am not alone with these feelings. Of course, I don't have evidence that he doped or anything like that. No one has, and perhapse he doesn't dope and is a talent which is born once in a thousand years.
But for my taste, there are too many such talents born on an island with 2.7 million inhabitants that has an almost non-existent anti-doping system. As there is no evidence, it is a question of faith, which I simply lack. And I know, I am not alone.

BUT: doped or not. This was not my main point. It's not up to me to decide. I just judged the way he behaved during the olympic games and the impressions I MYSELF got from it.

The only evidence you are giving is that he says that he likes his opponents. Come on... Of course, he likes his training partner Asafa Powell and of course he wants Tyson Gay to be fit in order to avoid the discussion of being the fastest if the main rival was injured (I read he was...but who knows).

Anyways, that's only of medium importance. Because I judged his behavior before and after the races. I mainly criticize his defiance of fairplay-behavior. Jogging during the semi-finals without even warming up, stopping his 100m race after 80-90 m, and performing an unprecedented dominance ritual afterwards.
For me, paired with the doubts I mentioned above, Usain Bolt _for me_ is an anti-hero and someone who probably harms more than he is a messias.

AND I love Boxer, so comparing him to Bolt is hard to stand (at least for me).
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 27 2008 10:09 GMT
#86
This article makes me hope SC2 never comes out.
Hello
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
August 27 2008 12:27 GMT
#87
TO HEMINGWAY IS TO PLEXA

thank you!
jabz
Profile Joined August 2008
Philippines11 Posts
August 27 2008 14:57 GMT
#88
for sure boxer will come back
hope he will dominate.
im weakless
Power[Xp]
Profile Joined July 2007
Netherlands64 Posts
August 27 2008 15:21 GMT
#89
On August 26 2008 21:40 Guybrush wrote:
Good read. Thanks. There definitely had to be done something to build up some names in progaming lately.

Personal charisma combined with champion is hard to find these days. I dont really get how you're comparing BeSt with July. The two have completely different starting points. July has tons of titles, while BeSt has none.

Theres a huge difference between these two. Gameplaywise July has the "it", while BeSt doesnt have that extra. BeSt mixes up his play way to seldomly, his scouting isnt that great, he doesnt adapt very well, he doesnt harass enough, his micro isnt close to his macro, and he lost to Really on Katrina. Hes very consistent though, and has arguably the best economy mechanics right now. July has weaknesses too of course, but they arent that apparant, such as bad decisionmaking, and consistency.

Also, BeSt doesnt have the personal character of July.
He does not dispell the same confidence July does. July is the buff guy with sheer determination in his eyes when he plays. BeSt is the thin guy with long arms, glasses and with a dent of nerves coming from his eyes. You can see this when they celebrate after their games, giving high fives. Oov pretty much had an optimal personal appearance with his height and intimidating face, followed closely by Reach. Jaedong displays confidence, and I think he sticks out as a champion with charisma opposed to many of his other recent championcompanions. This is of course from my perspective, and everyone has their own opinion about this.

Keep in mind Im talking about individual leagues, BeSt is surely one of the most solid/dominant players in terms of consistency, and will for sure continue having nice records in proleague atleast in the upcoming seasons, but he wont win any titles.

You forgot Anytime when you listed up champions with natural charisma.

Lastly if I had to make a pick between those three about who Id think win most leagues in the upcoming season Id pick Jaedong for sure, but if I had to pick who would have the best winning % Id pick BeSt. I guess that comes down to what you define as "dominant" though.


It's not about the confidence you're showing outside the game, it's about the confidence you show in your gameplay, that defines a charismatic player in my opinion.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 27 2008 15:31 GMT
#90
On August 27 2008 17:11 Drazzzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 13:36 NonY[rC] wrote:
Asafa Powell and Tyson Gay were his two biggest rivals going into Beijing and these two pieces of evidence demonstrate that he does care about them. Failing to look at his opponents after a race is absolutely not strong evidence to the contrary.

I didn't quote any other part of your post because there were really no other arguments. Feel free to give strong evidence that contradicts mine, but in the meantime, do not publicly say so many negative things about Usain Bolt.


As I endorse freedom of opinion, I can definitely utter such strong opinions, even if they are negative towards Usain Bolt. I expressed my feelings about the olympic races and the role Usain Bolt played and I know from discussions with others that I am not alone with these feelings. Of course, I don't have evidence that he doped or anything like that. No one has, and perhapse he doesn't dope and is a talent which is born once in a thousand years.
But for my taste, there are too many such talents born on an island with 2.7 million inhabitants that has an almost non-existent anti-doping system. As there is no evidence, it is a question of faith, which I simply lack. And I know, I am not alone.

BUT: doped or not. This was not my main point. It's not up to me to decide. I just judged the way he behaved during the olympic games and the impressions I MYSELF got from it.

The only evidence you are giving is that he says that he likes his opponents. Come on... Of course, he likes his training partner Asafa Powell and of course he wants Tyson Gay to be fit in order to avoid the discussion of being the fastest if the main rival was injured (I read he was...but who knows).

Anyways, that's only of medium importance. Because I judged his behavior before and after the races. I mainly criticize his defiance of fairplay-behavior. Jogging during the semi-finals without even warming up, stopping his 100m race after 80-90 m, and performing an unprecedented dominance ritual afterwards.
For me, paired with the doubts I mentioned above, Usain Bolt _for me_ is an anti-hero and someone who probably harms more than he is a messias.

AND I love Boxer, so comparing him to Bolt is hard to stand (at least for me).


You can have freedom of opinion but there is no such thing as freedom of expression. If you are going to publicly slam someone on TL.net without having good reasons for it, then you will be stopped (either by members or, if it's more serious, then by mods). If you want to draw conclusions when there isn't enough evidence, if you want to form strong opinions about someone you hardly know, or if you want stubbornly cling to your first impression in the face of evidence to the contrary, then you can do those things privately. Plexa is incredibly patient and will probably give you a nice response when he gets to it, but you've basically given him nothing to respond to. A guy named Drazzzt from Germany has the opinion that Bolt has poor manners... so what? Anyone who has read the news knows perfectly well that there are people who disapprove of the way Bolt acted. The point of you reminding Plexa of this fact, by giving yourself as an example, is trivial. And since it's so trivial for the discussion, the way your post comes off is just as a sounding board for you to blast Bolt.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
August 27 2008 16:16 GMT
#91
Plexa, you are amazing.

When I read about Bolt celebraiting early, I instantly thought of this video i saw on youtube. Hillarious!
paavst
Profile Joined December 2007
171 Posts
August 27 2008 16:18 GMT
#92
Nice work by Plexa...

and impressive pointout by NonY
Kletus
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
August 27 2008 16:52 GMT
#93
On August 28 2008 01:16 ThePhan2m wrote:
Plexa, you are amazing.

When I read about Bolt celebraiting early, I instantly thought of this video i saw on youtube. Hillarious!
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSpPaCIG0g


Ohh wow, I lol'd. Ty for that.
Your resistance only serves to make my carapace harder.
robice
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Germany114 Posts
August 27 2008 18:03 GMT
#94
If the moderators stop anyone, they should first stop you, Nony.
Whereas Drazzzt mady a clear writeup with good arguments, you first of all get quite offending towards him.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
August 27 2008 20:50 GMT
#95
You're downplaying how good Jaedong is.

He lacks charisma?? No way. His plays are crisp and entertaining. They showcase his brilliant skill and handspeed. He doesn't always have to have a plan. He is a spontaneous, free-wheeling, and creative player.

Jaedong is perhaps more entertaining than July, who at one point, kept executing the long-forsaken 2-hatch build, losing over and over again.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
August 27 2008 22:04 GMT
#96
Plexa, you are the man !

I just want to say, that JD will be recognised as the Hero only by the zerg players, simply because his dominance began when basically everybody were slumping and EVERY fucking time when JD faces a serious rival and some competition he fails. Yes, Jaedong is a damn good hot player but there will be almost always a guy who is hotter than him (Flash, ForGG). I dont like him , but he better prevails cause it will kinda suck if goes out of the MSL in the group stages, cause going off- season so early is depressing for every champ.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Power[Xp]
Profile Joined July 2007
Netherlands64 Posts
August 27 2008 22:35 GMT
#97
On August 28 2008 01:16 ThePhan2m wrote:
Plexa, you are amazing.

When I read about Bolt celebraiting early, I instantly thought of this video i saw on youtube. Hillarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSpPaCIG0g


Hahahaha, I lol'd
Tyrael
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3 Posts
August 27 2008 23:23 GMT
#98
Thank you for this excellent article!

Indeed if Boxer comes back to seize the golden mouse it would be an enigmatic and exciting time for the SC scene. And if Boxer manages to become dominant once more, aren't there two more mouses to earn (Platinum and something else?) after the Golden mouse?

If there was ever a progamer capable of it, it is Lim Yo Hwan!
"It is only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything" - Tyler Durden
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 28 2008 00:03 GMT
#99
On August 28 2008 05:50 WhatisProtoss wrote:
You're downplaying how good Jaedong is.

He lacks charisma?? No way. His plays are crisp and entertaining. They showcase his brilliant skill and handspeed. He doesn't always have to have a plan. He is a spontaneous, free-wheeling, and creative player.

Jaedong is perhaps more entertaining than July, who at one point, kept executing the long-forsaken 2-hatch build, losing over and over again.

What you say is definitely true, but you have to admit, Jaedong is not a consistent player. He's doing well now, but not great. There is no single dominating player, which is what Plexa is saying SC needs in order to revitalize it. There's no hero for everyone to either love or hate.
Hello
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 28 2008 00:10 GMT
#100
I will try to respond to most of the points raised tomorrow.. im swamped with work atm and i have a test in ~6hours wtf t.t and an assignment due tomorrow which i havent started... fuck!
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