EPTTo Bolt is to Boxer - Page 3
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Zidane
United States1684 Posts
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soudo
603 Posts
You know what's sad? The fact that the only reason why Jaedong isn't a two-time MSL and OSL champ is because his teammates keep stopping him. If BackHo and ForGG weren't on the same team as him, there is NO WAY he would have lost. We all saw how even in prime bonjwas can be vulnerable to their teammates: Iris pushing Savior to the limit and Boxer almost overtaking iloveOOv. But in Savior and iloveOOv's case, they were able to overcome the psychological warfare waged upon by their teammates. Jaedong was not. It's that tiny extra spark he was missing that kept him from attaining bonjwa status; that little edge that would have helped him beat those to who knew his most intimate weaknesses. | ||
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darkemperor
Turkey725 Posts
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Cham
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Makhno
Sweden585 Posts
Boxers legacy far outmatches Bolts as it is now (though if Bolt keeps this up he might attain this highest of honors, to be the Boxer of your trade) and I think what Bolt has done now is that he revitalized tracks and gained attention for the sport, just like Boxer did, but he hasn't shaped the sport they way Boxer shaped SC. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On August 26 2008 11:30 Plexa wrote: Then Boxer happened. Quote of the Year. | ||
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
LIM YO HWAN!!!!! | ||
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
There was a thread some time ago, when people discussed the "smartest" progamer. It didn't really get anywhere, mainly since people didn't agree exactly what they were arguing. For the most part however, those named were those superstars that made Starcraft into what it is. Going into that thread, I made a somewhat weak attempt at defining "smartness" in progaming, and somewhat simplified, divided it into the ability to create smart builds, winning through tricking the opponent (deceptive play) and adaptation, responding well do both smart builds and deceptive play. And to me it seems that most of the most popular players, as well as the most dominant, excelled in more than one of these. Boxer, for example, did not only create smart builds, and build that could catch the opponent totally of guard, but could also adapt and recover from very tight spots. To me he seems that maybe the "smartest" gamer, excelling in every area of progaming smart, making up for his far from perfect mechanics. But even the more "standard" players, like oov, Nada and Savior, excelled in more in intelligence, in their case the creation of game changing builds, and above and beyond all, the adaptation needed to thrive on the long game, confident that they could respond to anything their opponent could throw at them. To me, particularly oov and Savior stand out, seeing how their extraordinary gamesense and adaptation made up for their (compared to nada) imperfect mechanics and apm. And when we come to recent times, and look at Jaedong, do we really notice these abilities as strongly in him? I know full well that his fanboys will defend him, saying that he is the smartest ever, but it seems to me, that he could be, and I would never notice, since he doesn't need to be to win. His mechanics are simply that good, that he doesn't need to be smart, doesn't need to create revolutionary builds, doesn't need to trick his opponent to win. He will dominate the games he win so thoroughly, he doesn't need to adapt. He simply bulldozes over them. And maybe this is the only flaw, the only imperfection, that is unforgivable in starcraft. The ability of being so good you win through not out-thinking your opponent, but simply playing the game better. | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
I really liked your write-up and your summary about Starcraft and the emperor etc., but regarding Usain Bolt I couldn't disagree more. Due to him I lost the last grain of respect and faith in the olympic idea, the cleanliness of sports and the spirit of sportmanship. I believe that he will be the cornerstone of a unprecedented demise of the olympic spirit and many many people look with disgust at what he did and what he stands for. Probably, a lot people will stop watching Olympic Games and stop seeing them as fair, respectful and full of performances achieved by sheer dedicated training alone. The way he not only pulverized the records, all other sprinters and the aforementioned spirit without giving a shit about the other contestants (he didn't even look at them), felt like a clap in the face of all clean athletes. He didn't even bother to run 100m full speed, probably saving later world records for better paid meetings.... Even Jacques Rogge complained about his arrogance and I personally really disgust it. Even though he is quite young, his behavior is not acceptable. I for one will never watch 100m live again (I used to be a sprinter myself), and I know many people who feel the same. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
 BOXER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Personal charisma combined with champion is hard to find these days. I dont really get how you're comparing BeSt with July. The two have completely different starting points. July has tons of titles, while BeSt has none. Theres a huge difference between these two. Gameplaywise July has the "it", while BeSt doesnt have that extra. BeSt mixes up his play way to seldomly, his scouting isnt that great, he doesnt adapt very well, he doesnt harass enough, his micro isnt close to his macro, and he lost to Really on Katrina. Hes very consistent though, and has arguably the best economy mechanics right now. July has weaknesses too of course, but they arent that apparant, such as bad decisionmaking, and consistency. Also, BeSt doesnt have the personal character of July. He does not dispell the same confidence July does. July is the buff guy with sheer determination in his eyes when he plays. BeSt is the thin guy with long arms, glasses and with a dent of nerves coming from his eyes. You can see this when they celebrate after their games, giving high fives. Oov pretty much had an optimal personal appearance with his height and intimidating face, followed closely by Reach. Jaedong displays confidence, and I think he sticks out as a champion with charisma opposed to many of his other recent championcompanions. This is of course from my perspective, and everyone has their own opinion about this. Keep in mind Im talking about individual leagues, BeSt is surely one of the most solid/dominant players in terms of consistency, and will for sure continue having nice records in proleague atleast in the upcoming seasons, but he wont win any titles. You forgot Anytime when you listed up champions with natural charisma. Lastly if I had to make a pick between those three about who Id think win most leagues in the upcoming season Id pick Jaedong for sure, but if I had to pick who would have the best winning % Id pick BeSt. I guess that comes down to what you define as "dominant" though. | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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iSCOUT4u
United States327 Posts
he makes me think about playing terran sometimes | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
Sick banner too. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On August 26 2008 22:42 XinRan wrote: Thanks for the article, great read on a boring summer day. Can anyone link me to the mass ghost game between oov and Jju? I think it was mass wraith, and just search JJu's games vs oov in the TLPD on the right tool bar. | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
On August 26 2008 23:25 fanatacist wrote: I think it was mass wraith, and just search JJu's games vs oov in the TLPD on the right tool bar. Mass ghost would have been awesome  I found the game, it was on Rush Hour 2 (link). Thanks anyway! | ||
RaGe
Belgium9944 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
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