EPTTo Bolt is to Boxer - Page 6
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meegrean
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ZergZoul
Mexico408 Posts
Says Who? ![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5711/storkhf1.jpg) | ||
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pinenamu
United States770 Posts
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Centric
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
Do we need another *Star*? No. What actually would be good for SC/BW are 5-10 consistent Top-Players were you never know who will win. Players which are not kinda *caught* in theyr style (like savior was and Flash is). The new OSL-Format is kinda forcing this whitout completly cancelling out newcomers. The best games i saw in a long time were the July vs Best series, why? All 3 games were diffrent, yes, they were pure domination by July and Best did some stupid moves (game 1... late Proxgates to counter 4 Pool into Fastmuts? WTF was he thinking?). The second one was pure brilliance on Julys part, *standart* BO --> Scout --> See weakness --> Exploit weakness --> Win. Thats what Starcraft is and should be about. I saw many commends feeling that this games were to short to be really exciting, i say, these games were exciting because they were short. The problem with for example Flash's playstyle is, that the games tend to go the same road over and over again. The players that win against Flash basically don't beat Flash, they beat a build Order (Savior vs Bisu was the same, it just took terribly much time until someone figured out how to beat saviors built). Now if i look at Jaedong (probably the dominant player right now, if not he, who then?) he is not all about his *built*. He goes 2 Hatch Muta, he goes overpool, he goes 3 Hatch. This is what makes a player exciting. He can do Saviorstyle and he can do Low-Econ/Julystyle. He also is able to do things, you don't see often like his use of burrowed units vs Best (which seems to be every good Z's punching bag :p). I know, switching gamestyles is way easyer for Zerg then for the other Races, especially Terran is kinda *stuck* into M&M/Vessel/evtl. Tanks vs Zerg and Tank/Vulture/evtl. Gholiat vs Shuttle/Carrier against Toss. An exciting Terranplayer really has to be at leat a little like Boxer, doing crazy stuff like sending John Rambo and 3 Medic's on rampage against 100 Lurkers or.. uhm.. using Ghost(s)  .The excitment of a Protoss player for me also directly boils down to his Reavers or Psidrops and pure Micro. I mean, what is there else to Protoss? There are Zeals and Goons in every game, the *only* question is Reaver or Templar and how fast Arbiter or/and Carrier. This is just not as exciting as seeing *diffrent* stuff in every game (i know there are huge diffrence's, but theyre just kinda *hidden* in the P and T builds while Z shows em all over the place). Probably this is changing a little again, Toss player seem to FE a little less which makes fast techs and with that little microbattles more frequent which is a very good thing. What would be good for SC/BW? Sending those 200/200 Macroplayers down the drain and bringing in more offensive earlygamers in. Why? 2 Macroplayers that slug it out will end in a Macrofest. 2 offensive earlygamers will, if on equal footing, also end in a Macrowar but with a way more exciting first half of the game. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On August 28 2008 00:31 NonY[rC] wrote: You can have freedom of opinion but there is no such thing as freedom of expression. If you are going to publicly slam someone on TL.net without having good reasons for it, then you will be stopped (either by members or, if it's more serious, then by mods). If you want to draw conclusions when there isn't enough evidence, if you want to form strong opinions about someone you hardly know, or if you want stubbornly cling to your first impression in the face of evidence to the contrary, then you can do those things privately. Plexa is incredibly patient and will probably give you a nice response when he gets to it, but you've basically given him nothing to respond to. A guy named Drazzzt from Germany has the opinion that Bolt has poor manners... so what? Anyone who has read the news knows perfectly well that there are people who disapprove of the way Bolt acted. The point of you reminding Plexa of this fact, by giving yourself as an example, is trivial. And since it's so trivial for the discussion, the way your post comes off is just as a sounding board for you to blast Bolt. Dear NonY[rC] from the USA, I would prefer if you would argue a little bit more to the point without affronting me just because you are most probably closer to the mods than I am. It was never my intention to attack Plexa (and I am strongly convinced that I haven't, as I already wrote in my first post, I really enjoyed the SC part). Apart from that, I really cannot believe that you are fully aware of what you are saying with your last post. You sell your Bolt interview as hard facts (just think about all evidently doping athletes swearing that they of course never ever doped....), cast aside what many ppl feel about the topic and even claim that without hard facts, no one may be even _criticized_ ??? We are not speaking about convictions or legal actions, just opinions. Maybe you take a deep breath and another close look at the basic democratic law of freedom of opinion . Anyways, the topic is not important enough to argue on. Plexa, keep up the good work and if you want to discuss with me after your exams, I will be glad to answer. If not (which would probably be better due to the strong feelings of some ppl involved) it's okay for me. | ||
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Kletus
Canada580 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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LoStYouRSkiLLS
Australia223 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On August 26 2008 21:14 Drazzzt wrote: Hi Plexa, I really liked your write-up and your summary about Starcraft and the emperor etc., but regarding Usain Bolt I couldn't disagree more. Due to him I lost the last grain of respect and faith in the olympic idea, the cleanliness of sports and the spirit of sportmanship. I believe that he will be the cornerstone of a unprecedented demise of the olympic spirit and many many people look with disgust at what he did and what he stands for. Probably, a lot people will stop watching Olympic Games and stop seeing them as fair, respectful and full of performances achieved by sheer dedicated training alone. The way he not only pulverized the records, all other sprinters and the aforementioned spirit without giving a shit about the other contestants (he didn't even look at them), felt like a clap in the face of all clean athletes. He didn't even bother to run 100m full speed, probably saving later world records for better paid meetings.... Even Jacques Rogge complained about his arrogance and I personally really disgust it. Even though he is quite young, his behavior is not acceptable. I for one will never watch 100m live again (I used to be a sprinter myself), and I know many people who feel the same. I feel totaly different, because of him olympic games are so much more interesting.. To me, he did his job, and he did it perfectly.. He is payed to run, to win, he is not payed to chit chat and honor other people. And the way u say how he didnt even look at other people.. What i saw at 100m run, he was soo fast, then he went on the ground, and everyone , second, third, went his own way.. Why should he stand up and go back to congratulate others ? Why shouldnt they come to him , and congratulate him ? Probably, a lot people will stop watching Olympic Games and stop seeing them as fair, respectful and full of performances achieved by sheer dedicated training alone. Noone will do that, please dont make me laugh at you.. Olympic games, not fair anymore because of bolt? Sport that involves money will never be fair.. People will always use drugs, dont kid yourself.. But until they are caught -> u know, innocent until proven guilty? Bolt said that he want do records here, because he can get much more money else where. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
For whatever reason, that wasn't the case with this article. Beautifully written (as usual) and made a connection with me (first time!) So, thanks for writing this article! It was a real pleasure. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
On August 26 2008 11:41 Plexa wrote: obviously, Nada in olympic terms is without doubt michael phelps For a second I was trying to imagine NaDa doing the michael phelps super saiyan victory... no it doesn't quite work.  On August 28 2008 01:16 ThePhan2m wrote: When I read about Bolt celebraiting early, I instantly thought of this video i saw on youtube. Hillarious! [youtube video] LOL!!! and lol at Stork's unmarketable image (and the pic above this post). Overall this was a great article to read and though I wasn't sure about some things mentioned, there wasn't really anything I could disagree with. It's also interesting how July pretty much fits in between all the other super star progamer's reigns. I also really hope that boxer comes back and stirs up some excitement again. As I said before in some other boxer thread, I don't really care if boxer doesn't have the ability to completely dominate every single match up and go undefeated and uncontested while being able to use any build he wants. He doesn't have the fastest hands, or the raw power, or the best balanced macro/micro... but what he has is experience and understanding of the game that is so very rare in so many progamers today. The rock solid training routine and business-like attitude of gaming teams completely dissipate and make devoid of originality and creativity. Sure when a new build appears to knock out a pre-existing dominating one is hollered as revolutionary, but how many players can boast a history of being at the top of not only creating insanely complex and gutsy builds but also having the ability and sense to make it happen. I want to see boxer make other gamers say "maybe ghosts really are useful in many scenarios" "maybe ultralisks really aren't that imba" "maybe valkyries are worth it in regular gameplay" "maybe optical flare & restoration are a must-have" "nuking can be used regularly straight up in their face without needing to cloak or use a dropship" ... okay, i'm just spamming now, i'll stop. Any speculations on who will become the next super star? Place long-term bets? lol | ||
Mynock
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Well, I wouldn't mind seeing NaDa instead of BoxeR of course - what with the chances for a Diamond Mouse and all - but the Emperor's comeback would be epic as well. | ||
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