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On November 29 2011 22:03 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 22:01 Kazuki wrote:
We know ForGG has potential, seeing his record in brood war. But he's been playing for 10 months orso already so it's not really a shocker at all. Want to see how he'd do against MVP or MMA in an official bo3 match. Well he's shown his tvp is fine against Sage and Tassadar. And his tvt against taeja and Polt. All he is left to prove is his tvz and see how far he can get in code S.
I don't think he has to prove anything, just want to see how he fares when it comes to the absolute top as we now know it. ^_^
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My contribution to this thread is to say that "and/or" used in the article does not contribute anything further than merely using "or", or even "and".
Let's look at this, if "or" wouldn't allow "and" as an interpretation, then sentences such as the following:
"If you smoke or drink alcohol in school, you'll be expelled"
would predict that a pupil is safe, if he or she both drinks and smokes. All "or" says is that it's okay to utter a sentence with "or" if for a person being described, only one of the disjuncts is true. So, "or" is inclusive, because it's perfectly fine for any of the people described to have several of those prescribed values.
Also, "and" (in a list) can often allow a reading where not every person described has every conjunct true. Look at the following:
"I have white, black and yellow horses." While "and" sometimes has a collective reading where conjuncts have to be true for every person described ("Me and my friend were carrying a piano." can be read as we were carrying the same piano.), it's often the case that the conjuncts describe different individuals.
So, the sentence: "Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn." could be written as "Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent or work ethic or ability to learn." and also as "Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and work ethic and ability to learn." with the latter less preferred because people will wonder whether the collective reading is meant.
Oh, and nice to see that fOrGG is doing well...
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Ahh, a good bump to this thread, although it is my wish to see Flash switch, watching ForGG switch is the....one of the next best thing. 
I started watching pro-gaming scene from BW and I love terran,
Some terrans I like are Midas, Flash, Fantasy, Forgg.
I watch SC2 because it is new game better graphic and get to see BoxeR in action.
Deep in my heart, I wanted my fav BW player to switch and dominate.
That is why I love MvP, because he is terran and he is good aha.
And Nestea too although he is zerg.
ForGG is one of my fav terran player because I support KT and SKT team
when I watch proleague.
And KT I support Flash and ForGG.
Today it happened .
ForGG switch and his play reminds me of BW gameplay.
Is it because of multitasking? Great micro? Marco?
or is it illusion? I tink too much.
I believe it is multitask, the way he control his hellion and banshee+Vikings.
The timing push, the pressure he put. It is so entertaining + the castor is great too.
Very enthusiatic and make the game even more fun to watch. Just like the Korea castor keke.
Made me happy today.
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I think it's silly that the general consensus heralds the return of forgg after a couple of (admittedly rather good) wins, while it simultaneously slammed stephano for not having proven himself in SC2 (and to a lesser extent still does, although he hasn't been performing as good recently)
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I'm actually curious on what Hot_Bid saw in ForGG's plays today than made the SC2 competition as we know it look like a farce.
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On November 29 2011 20:50 Hot_Bid wrote:
Bump! This thread was hard to fin d.
Oh Hot_Bid you rascal you.
I love fOrGG, and it's good to see him back. He'll probably make it to code S no problem, but I doubt he's going to clobber faces and win it all.
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On November 29 2011 21:55 Wivyx wrote:
Sorry, but ForGG advancing to Code A Ro24 doesn't prove that Brood War players will dominate instantly after switching. He'll have to dominate the next code S to back up that statement.
The fact that he got into SC2 and is dominating everything he participates in so far kind of does back up that argument. forGG wasn't the best BW player ever, but he's basically the best we've had to switch over yet, and he just 2-0'ed one of SC2's best.
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On November 29 2011 22:33 Longshank wrote:
I'm actually curious on what Hot_Bid saw in ForGG's plays today than made the SC2 competition as we know it look like a farce.
You sir just got Hot_Bided.
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On November 29 2011 22:03 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 22:01 Kazuki wrote:
We know ForGG has potential, seeing his record in brood war. But he's been playing for 10 months orso already so it's not really a shocker at all. Want to see how he'd do against MVP or MMA in an official bo3 match. Well he's shown his tvp is fine against Sage and Tassadar. And his tvt against taeja and Polt. All he is left to prove is his tvz and see how far he can get in code S.
Polt went bio in tvt on daybreak.
That's like playing russian roulette with a magazine-fed pistol.
I'll wait till Fin makes his first appearance in an infamous Code S TvT finals before I judge his TvT.
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well its not like that that ForGG started playing only for a few months and is completly new to sc2. he played that game since a year and had several accs on the korean server in grand master. its not like Yellow who knew nothing about this game. so no suprise that he is good.
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On November 29 2011 23:10 Miefer wrote:
well its not like that that ForGG started playing only for a few months and is completly new to sc2. he played that game since a year and had several accs on the korean server in grand master. its not like Yellow who knew nothing about this game. so no suprise that he is good.
Thing is, for every forgg there are tens and tens of people (most people, actually) who have played the game as much as he has (but were not sort-of-top bw pros) but are nowhere near his level..
You're making it sound as if everyone that plays for 10 months will be as good as him. Which is clearly not the case.
Just to clear out, I'm an SC2 fan mostly and not a BW fan that much, but I am really pumped about BW pros coming in SC2 and I think they will do amazingly.
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i wonder where the elephant in the room article is back from when bw first launched. someone should look that one up. all the pros from age of empires calling the players of a new game scrubs
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On November 29 2011 23:22 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:10 Miefer wrote:
well its not like that that ForGG started playing only for a few months and is completly new to sc2. he played that game since a year and had several accs on the korean server in grand master. its not like Yellow who knew nothing about this game. so no suprise that he is good. Thing is, for every forgg there are tens and tens of people (most people, actually) who have played the game as much as he has (but were not sort-of-top bw pros) but are nowhere near his level.. You're making it sound as if everyone that plays for 10 months will be as good as him. Which is clearly not the case. Just to clear out, I'm an SC2 fan mostly and not a BW fan that much, but I am really pumped about BW pros coming in SC2 and I think they will do amazingly.
Lol yeah, seriously. "not a big deal", "since january", "already GM". Uh, it's very obvious that people are holding an ex BW pro to incredibly high standards already despite their reluctance to admit that BW skill level has a lot to do with sc2. I'd say he's definitely code S level, and considering people have been playing the game and training twice as hard as he has and yet they've already been passed up? What more needs to be said? Of course, he's not MVP level, but MVP and forGG's skill levels before they switched are pretty unclear and could be rather close, and MVP was winning championships easily by the time forGG was learning what in the fuck a marauder was.
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If Korean superstarts arrive and just walk over everyone else, I think it's a good thing. It FORCES everyone else to upgrade their game, and we spectators can only win!
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On November 29 2011 23:24 turdburgler wrote:
i wonder where the elephant in the room article is back from when bw first launched. someone should look that one up. all the pros from age of empires calling the players of a new game scrubs
Seriously, Age of Empires pros were banking so much cash that it wasn't worth their while to switch to BW
wait, what
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On November 29 2011 23:22 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:10 Miefer wrote:
well its not like that that ForGG started playing only for a few months and is completly new to sc2. he played that game since a year and had several accs on the korean server in grand master. its not like Yellow who knew nothing about this game. so no suprise that he is good. Thing is, for every forgg there are tens and tens of people (most people, actually) who have played the game as much as he has (but were not sort-of-top bw pros) but are nowhere near his level.. You're making it sound as if everyone that plays for 10 months will be as good as him. Which is clearly not the case. Just to clear out, I'm an SC2 fan mostly and not a BW fan that much, but I am really pumped about BW pros coming in SC2 and I think they will do amazingly.
But isn't the case in everything? for every pro you have in everything in the world you have thousands of people who fail.
There is a mix of talent/dedication/past experiences and so forth.
His BW experience helped here ofc but it feels like people think that is the sole reason.
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I'm intrigued to know what intrigue would say now after quite a long time after the OP 
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On November 29 2011 23:05 Chargelot wrote:
Polt went bio in tvt on daybreak.
That's like playing russian roulette with a magazine-fed pistol.
I'll wait till Fin makes his first appearance in an infamous Code S TvT finals before I judge his TvT.
Polt normally goes for a marine tank composition in TvT, I think he was forced to go pure bio in response to the blue flame hellions.
Fins's constant pressure and the tight chokes made it impossible to exploit bio's mobility.
But that game was amazing!
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On November 29 2011 23:05 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 22:03 Subversive wrote:On November 29 2011 22:01 Kazuki wrote:
We know ForGG has potential, seeing his record in brood war. But he's been playing for 10 months orso already so it's not really a shocker at all. Want to see how he'd do against MVP or MMA in an official bo3 match. Well he's shown his tvp is fine against Sage and Tassadar. And his tvt against taeja and Polt. All he is left to prove is his tvz and see how far he can get in code S. Polt went bio in tvt on daybreak. That's like playing russian roulette with a magazine-fed pistol. I'll wait till Fin makes his first appearance in an infamous Code S TvT finals before I judge his TvT.
So uh, you don't actually understand why ForGG's play vs Polt was so insane do you? That had nothing to do with Polt playing bad or using the wrong units, that was just a complete and utter different level of play from ForGG. Watching those games I felt like that was exactly how Terran was meant to be played in sc2. That was a display of relentless multitasking and crisp micro that no one else has shown yet. I guess what I'm saying is he will easily smash through code s if his other match ups are as strong as his t v t.
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